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openmind
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: KannaKris]
#25326255 - 07/14/18 03:48 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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KannaKris said: .....I've noticed, that as soon as you starts seeing pre-flowers, they start stretching like mad for the first couple of week, and then they slow down, and the buds start filling out.
My plants have had pre-flowers for over a month now (they're clones), but they're not flowering and won't be for at least another few weeks...I always thought pre-flowers came out once the plant was "mature", not necessarily right before flowering?
Mine have started to grow a lot more over the past two weeks though (likely because of bigger pots).
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: openmind]
#25326265 - 07/14/18 04:02 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Outdoor plants stretch bigger and stack better. The natural transition into flower is much better for plants than a 12/12 flip.
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KannaKris
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
#25326281 - 07/14/18 04:13 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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KannaKris said: .....I've noticed, that as soon as you starts seeing pre-flowers, they start stretching like mad for the first couple of week, and then they slow down, and the buds start filling out.
My plants have had pre-flowers for over a month now (they're clones), but they're not flowering and won't be for at least another few weeks...I always thought pre-flowers came out once the plant was "mature", not necessarily right before flowering?
Mine have started to grow a lot more over the past two weeks though (likely because of bigger pots).
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Mine all have pre-flowers too, once they matured. I reckon, I meant, once they really start showing signs of early flowering, after the light change, my bad
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Ran-D said: Outdoor plants stretch bigger and stack better. The natural transition into flower is much better for plants than a 12/12 flip.
I totally agree with this statement.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: KannaKris]
#25326300 - 07/14/18 04:27 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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KannaKris said:
Mine all have pre-flowers too, once they matured. I reckon, I meant, once they really start showing signs of early flowering, after the light change, my bad
Ah I hear what you're saying .
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Ran-D said: Outdoor plants stretch bigger and stack better. The natural transition into flower is much better for plants than a 12/12 flip.
I totally agree with this statement.
Oh boy!...I think they're going to get a bit bigger than I assumed they would lol. My plants aren't all that big at the moment (the biggest, my cherry cookies, is prob around 24 inches tall from the base of the stalk and almost equally as bushy). But they're really putting on the new growth each day.
I've seen weed growing before..I've seen friends/acquaintances grows...but I've never seen a plant through out the entire growth cycle so I have no reference point for how much growth they can put on within a certain amount of time.
Thanks for filling me in on that fellas 
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: openmind]
#25326312 - 07/14/18 04:32 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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You will be in for a big treat, just wait!
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Psilosion]
#25326375 - 07/14/18 05:18 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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The taller ones are at least 8 ft tall now, and still growing.. 
Niceee
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The taller ones are at least 8 ft tall now, and still growing.. 
Niceee 
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: KannaKris]
#25326745 - 07/14/18 09:48 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks I I had a terrible year last year, I over fed them and stunted their growth. This year I am just giving them a lot more rootspace and going light on the food.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Psilosion]
#25326794 - 07/14/18 10:17 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I cut down my Blackberry Fire today! Got it hanging up under my house. It's so nice to grow your own weed. I'm guessing I won't get much more than a quarter out of it. I used soil that only cost $1 and had a really high PH. The roots could barley get through the soil, but the bud looks and smells amazing. I'll put up some pics after I trim in a week.
My other plants are doing great. I sowed my autos last night and 4 already popped and have their two first real leaves. I can tell these guys are going to be fast.
Nice Plants Psilosion! I wish mine were that big. How much weed do you think you will get off one of those 8 footers?
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Psilosion

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I can see getting 2 lbs each out of the taller ones, and a little less out of the others. It'll be easier to tell when it starts budding. Forgot to mention most of the plants are Girl Scout Cookies,and the rest I don't remember what they are, just seeds I saved from good buds.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Psilosion]
#25327684 - 07/15/18 12:48 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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No kidding, I can't wait to grow outside.
Congratulations Lopho! I definitely haven't had a perfect first run either but my first plant ever (Mary Lou) is absolutely ginormous and she has clumps of pistols and leaf like growths appearing at all the internodes compared to a few pics here and there on my younger Skywalker OG.
Today is Day 7 of flowering conditions and they're for sure in flower. My first time seeing pistils ever. I can't wait to see huge buds 
FWIW I've heard of a few people who transition their plants into flower over two weeks or so, decreasing lights by one hour every 4-5 days. They all seem to agree it minimizes indoor stretch.
I have a question for everyone. I'm smoking some local "killah" that's top tier price and a beautiful purple, very obvious.
But it leaves a black "Ash cake" in tbe bowl. I'm sure y'all know what i mean, it's cashed, but it won't empty with a light tap on the aide of the bowl. I either take a tool and scrape this aerated black puff out of tbe bowl or I could hit it amd it'll glow super bright and hot and taste like crap amd then it'll turn kinda grey ans behave like ash.
That's chemical residue left right? From synthetic ferts feedings and not flushing?
I have two strains right now amd the other burns to a white grey amd easily blow out pf the bowl.
I want to avoid this and im using sunthetic ferts as it's my first grow.
So.. stop feedkng everything at week 6 and only water? What about if some of these strains need longer tham 8 weeks in flower how would I lightly feed them?
Thanks.
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Not necessarily synthetic ferts , we use them all the time at work n never burns black , most likely improper flushing n drying u can add certian things thatll lower ur ppmās while flushing , the drying n curing process is usualy the culprit of salt n pepper ash , u want atleast a 7 day dry on the stock then a few weeks curing, asfor longer strains just feed longer n start flushing at week 8 or 9
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Humble Newcomer said: No kidding, I can't wait to grow outside.
Congratulations Lopho! I definitely haven't had a perfect first run either but my first plant ever (Mary Lou) is absolutely ginormous and she has clumps of pistols and leaf like growths appearing at all the internodes compared to a few pics here and there on my younger Skywalker OG.
Today is Day 7 of flowering conditions and they're for sure in flower. My first time seeing pistils ever. I can't wait to see huge buds 
FWIW I've heard of a few people who transition their plants into flower over two weeks or so, decreasing lights by one hour every 4-5 days. They all seem to agree it minimizes indoor stretch.
I have a question for everyone. I'm smoking some local "killah" that's top tier price and a beautiful purple, very obvious.
But it leaves a black "Ash cake" in tbe bowl. I'm sure y'all know what i mean, it's cashed, but it won't empty with a light tap on the aide of the bowl. I either take a tool and scrape this aerated black puff out of tbe bowl or I could hit it amd it'll glow super bright and hot and taste like crap amd then it'll turn kinda grey ans behave like ash.
That's chemical residue left right? From synthetic ferts feedings and not flushing?
I have two strains right now amd the other burns to a white grey amd easily blow out pf the bowl.
I want to avoid this and im using sunthetic ferts as it's my first grow.
So.. stop feedkng everything at week 6 and only water? What about if some of these strains need longer tham 8 weeks in flower how would I lightly feed them?
Thanks.
I've heard of something similar, people where saying it was because the bud was dyed. But who knows it was all hear say.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Crispy224] 1
#25329067 - 07/16/18 02:49 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well grown/flushed synthetic weed should burn to a grey ash too. Usually it stays a black chunk at the end of a bowl like that if it isn't dried properly IME.
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A question for anyone that's gone about the "organic" route or knows the gist of these things....
....Just wondering how often I should be giving the plants/soil some tea and/or foliar feeding.
I can imagine the answer for that varies a lot depending on all sorts of variables, I'm just trying to get a reference point for how often & how heavily some folks do so.
My plants are outdoors in 20 gallon fabric pots with roots original soil (perlite, coco fiber, peat, composted, pumice, worm castings, bat Guano, soybean meal, alfalfa meal, fish bone meal, kelp meal, and greensand).
They're all cuttings that have been rooted for at least 2 months as far as I know (I've had them for a month, dude said he was growing them for a month). They've been in 20 gallon pots for two weeks as of tomorrow (coming out of a 1-gallon slightly bound)....Over the two weeks I have given them tea twice, an aloe foliar spray twice, and they've been watered with just water twice as well (I'm way surprised how well this soil retains moisture for how hot & dry it is, and it's not really compact either)
The tea I am using is made with "Dr. Earth" 5-5-2 @ 1-cup per gallon of water (feather meal, fish bone meal, kelp meal, alfalfa meal, potassium sulfate, seaweed extract, and a variety of mycorrhizae), + 1/2 a cup of worm casting, + 1.5 table-spoons of molasses per gallon of water.
The aloe foliar I did with fresh aloe blended up @ 1/4 cup per gallon of water...gave the plants a thorough soaking spray then poured a little bit of the left overs into the soil.
I'm more or less intending on following this pattern as long as they continue to look as healthy as they do...I'm just wondering if I can/should increase the concentration & frequency of giving them tea? Or maybe change up the contents of the tea a bit?...
For the most part they're looking healthy to my eyes (still can't take pics, I know that would help lol), growing quickly and with lush new growth, they're around 16 to 26 inches tall and trained out a bit. Starting right before I transplanted them into the larger pots, occasionally a random leaf or two on the lower portion will yellow and eventually dry out & drop, and a few leaves around the lower 1/3rd of the plant have a slightly pale/blotchy yellow color to them (just a few)...It looks like it's an N deficiency from the bit of learning I've done but it's only on one random leaf at a time.
Other leaves around this portion of the plants are still looking healthy and there is new healthy growth around the leaves that yellow & drop off and the few dingy/pale leaves....Besides that the rest of the plant(s) look healthy to my eyes .
So do plants just drop an older leaf occasionally?...or is this definitely a sign the plants are just not getting quite enough N (or some other nutrient), as there are a few leaves towards the bottom of the plant that are always slightly blotchy & yellow/pale. I thought if it was a deficiency it would spread up through the plant? Or is it possible that they just barely have enough N to grow well, but not enough to keep the lower part of the plant 100% lush?...
Part of me wants to "fix" this lol...but other than that they're growing pretty quickly and the entire upper 2/3rd of the plants are totally lush & healthy looking so the other part of me says to let em' do their thing and keep feeding & spraying them like I have . (Again, this if my very first time growing the plant lol)
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: openmind]
#25330809 - 07/17/18 12:26 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I made a batch of organic super soil that is packed full of nutrients and everything the plant should need. I am watering with just water and sometimes molasses and that is it. I don't know much about growing though.
My Sour D isn't in organic super soil so I've been giving it liquid nutrients. At first I went by the bottle, but now I'm feeding over 3x strength and even mixing in some extra strength stuff and this girl can't seem to get enough to eat. It would probably be 3 times as big if I new she could eat so much.
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Lophosaurus said: I made a batch of organic super soil that is packed full of nutrients and everything the plant should need. I am watering with just water and sometimes molasses and that is it. I don't know much about growing though.
My Sour D isn't in organic super soil so I've been giving it liquid nutrients. At first I went by the bottle, but now I'm feeding over 3x strength and even mixing in some extra strength stuff and this girl can't seem to get enough to eat. It would probably be 3 times as big if I new she could eat so much.
Are you using a ppm meter, if not you should get one so you know how much your feeding them and how much there eating , if you go to high n their appetite slows down the ppms could skyrocket n lock em out
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Marmie]
#25331073 - 07/17/18 07:42 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, I haven't been checking PPM, but even if it gets locked out it only has about a week or two before harvest so should be fine. I'll probably give her her last meal tomorrow and start the flush. Do you need to flush even when using organic nutrients?
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: openmind]
#25331245 - 07/17/18 10:05 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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openmind said: So do plants just drop an older leaf occasionally?...or is this definitely a sign the plants are just not getting quite enough N (or some other nutrient), as there are a few leaves towards the bottom of the plant that are always slightly blotchy & yellow/pale. I thought if it was a deficiency it would spread up through the plant? Or is it possible that they just barely have enough N to grow well, but not enough to keep the lower part of the plant 100% lush?...
Part of me wants to "fix" this lol...but other than that they're growing pretty quickly and the entire upper 2/3rd of the plants are totally lush & healthy looking so the other part of me says to let em' do their thing and keep feeding & spraying them like I have . (Again, this if my very first time growing the plant lol)
Don't worry about a couple of leaves on the bottom yellowing. It's normal once the plant matures for a few off the bottom to yellow and dry up.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: El Torcho]
#25331507 - 07/17/18 12:23 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hummingbird I think you're on point.
There is no smell from the bag, no real hay or grass smell unless I inhale deeply but no sweet or sour smell. Which doesn't match the purple tint or the visible trichomes that suggest quality.
I also have come to really dislike the taste. I think it gives me a headache too.
Clogs screens, leaves a thick black Ash puff
I'm so glad there are forums and people to ask my first time around, all this work moving pots around and all this time spent in adoration of my girls and fretting about and fixing all the problems ive accidentally caused on my first grow... I'd be traumatized to blindly attempt a first time drying and ruin a whole grow. Now that I'm paying attention I see a lot of issues with street bud and the drying part. It can really make it unpleasant to smoke
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