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 Alan Rockefeller
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 Re: Psilocybe Tampanensis  [Re: Doc9151]
#25324702 - 07/13/18 06:56 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doc9151 said:
I have the 2nd recorded find in Florida.
And the third!
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Doc9151 said:
When I first saw them, I never would have guessed what they were. It was boredom that led me to pick them and subsequently identify them. They look nothing like the pictures in person.
https://mushroomobserver.org/321636
This find looks a lot like the holotype photo taken in 1977.
Next time you find it try to get some really nice photos of them in their native habitat.
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Spotter
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Doc, I missed this at first. Congrats sir, amazing find. Love your new tag.
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 RogerTheRetard
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Registered: 07/28/17
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Alan Rockefeller said:
DNA results came back today:
aTGACTTGaCTTGGTTGTAGCTGGTCCTCTAGGGGACATGTGCTCGCCTTGTCATCTTTATCTATCCACCTGTGAACCTTTTGTAGACTTGGAACTAGTGAATGGGAGAGCATGCTCTCTTTGAAGCTATACCAGGCCTATGTTTTCATATACCCCAAAGAATGTAACAGAATGTATTGTATGGCCTTGTGCCTATAAATCATATACAACTTTCAGCAACGGATCTCTTGGCTCTCGCATCGATGAAGAACGCAGCGAAATGCGATAAGTAATGTGAATTGCAGAATTCAGTGAATCATCGAATCTTTGAACGCACCTTGCGCTCCTTGGTATTCCGAGGAGCATGCCTGTTTGAGTGTCATTAAATTCTCAACCTTACCAGCTTTTGCTGATAATGGCTTGGATGTGGGGGTTTCATTTGCTGGCTTCTGTCGGCTCCCCTCAAATGCATTAGCTGGTACCCCGCGCGGAGCCGTCTATTAGTGTGATAATTATCTACGCTGTGGACATCTGCATCAATGGGATTGTACTGCTTCTAACCGTCCATTTACTGGACAATACAATGACAATTTGACCTCAAATCAGGTAGGACTACCCGCTGAACTTAAGCATAtcA
The sequence is the same as all of the Psilocybe atlantis sequences, and 5 bases different from Psilocybe mexicana. Since this is the same species as Psilocybe atlantis, the older name P. tampanensis takes priority.
Macroscopically, P. tampanensis has a smaller, more convex and lighter in color cap than P. mexicana.
Before this collection arrived it was thought that P. tampanensis was P. mexicana and P. atlantis was slightly different, but that is not the case.
Are P. atlantis, P. tampanensis, P. mexicana and P. galindoi all synonyms?
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Doc9151
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Registered: 02/23/17
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Quote:
Alan Rockefeller said:
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Doc9151 said:
I have the 2nd recorded find in Florida.
And the third!
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Doc9151 said:
When I first saw them, I never would have guessed what they were. It was boredom that led me to pick them and subsequently identify them. They look nothing like the pictures in person.
https://mushroomobserver.org/321636
This find looks a lot like the holotype photo taken in 1977.
Next time you find it try to get some really nice photos of them in their native habitat.
I meant to say I'm the 2nd person to find them in Florida. The first with 2 finds.
Edit: The one in the link above with the scalpel was found on a sand bar on the river. I will definitely be taking my camera. This is supposed to be a wet week and I plan to go back and see what I can find.
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Psilocybe cubensis data collection thread. please help with this project if you hunt wild cubensis.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26513593&page=0&vc=1#26513593
Edited by Doc9151 (07/14/18 07:13 PM)
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Doc9151
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Re: Psilocybe Tampanensis [Re: Doc9151] 2
#25343513 - 07/23/18 11:13 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here's a few micrographs taken at 400x.
Sorry it took so long. I'll put some up at 1000x when I get some immersion oil. You need to expand the pictures to see the structures.
  
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Psilocybe cubensis data collection thread. please help with this project if you hunt wild cubensis.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26513593&page=0&vc=1#26513593
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RogerTheRetard
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Loc: Auckland, NZ
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RogerTheRetard said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:
DNA results came back today:
aTGACTTGaCTTGGTTGTAGCTGGTCCTCTAGGGGACATGTGCTCGCCTTGTCATCTTTATCTATCCACCTGTGAACCTTTTGTAGACTTGGAACTAGTGAATGGGAGAGCATGCTCTCTTTGAAGCTATACCAGGCCTATGTTTTCATATACCCCAAAGAATGTAACAGAATGTATTGTATGGCCTTGTGCCTATAAATCATATACAACTTTCAGCAACGGATCTCTTGGCTCTCGCATCGATGAAGAACGCAGCGAAATGCGATAAGTAATGTGAATTGCAGAATTCAGTGAATCATCGAATCTTTGAACGCACCTTGCGCTCCTTGGTATTCCGAGGAGCATGCCTGTTTGAGTGTCATTAAATTCTCAACCTTACCAGCTTTTGCTGATAATGGCTTGGATGTGGGGGTTTCATTTGCTGGCTTCTGTCGGCTCCCCTCAAATGCATTAGCTGGTACCCCGCGCGGAGCCGTCTATTAGTGTGATAATTATCTACGCTGTGGACATCTGCATCAATGGGATTGTACTGCTTCTAACCGTCCATTTACTGGACAATACAATGACAATTTGACCTCAAATCAGGTAGGACTACCCGCTGAACTTAAGCATAtcA
The sequence is the same as all of the Psilocybe atlantis sequences, and 5 bases different from Psilocybe mexicana. Since this is the same species as Psilocybe atlantis, the older name P. tampanensis takes priority.
Macroscopically, P. tampanensis has a smaller, more convex and lighter in color cap than P. mexicana.
Before this collection arrived it was thought that P. tampanensis was P. mexicana and P. atlantis was slightly different, but that is not the case.
Are P. atlantis, P. tampanensis, P. mexicana and P. galindoi all synonyms?
The only two species that are separate are Psilocybe tampanensis and Psilocybe mexicana.
P. atlantis and P. tampanensis are synonyms.
P. galindoi - ATL #7 is a synonym for P. tampanensis.
P. galindoi is a synonym for P. mexicana.
Just thought I would answer my own question. 
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ZenZone
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Re: Psilocybe Tampanensis [Re: Doc9151]
#26393242 - 12/20/19 10:17 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Doc9151 said: thank goodness for Boredom.
You didn't see that coming, did ya Doc? 
Very cool thread! 
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cubeeater
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Re: Psilocybe Tampanensis [Re: ZenZone]
#26396189 - 12/22/19 07:15 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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You found them 3 or 4 times and got no habitat pictures?
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bloodycarcass
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Re: Psilocybe Tampanensis [Re: cubeeater]
#26396202 - 12/22/19 07:21 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Awesome to find these funguys in Ga. Hoping to find more next year. Were also found in north ga aswell.
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Anglerfish
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Re: Psilocybe Tampanensis [Re: cubeeater]
#26396222 - 12/22/19 07:32 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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cubeeater said:
You found them 3 or 4 times and got no habitat pictures?
There are a couple on MO.
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Doc9151
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Re: Psilocybe Tampanensis [Re: cubeeater]
#26397274 - 12/23/19 11:43 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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cubeeater said:
You found them 3 or 4 times and got no habitat pictures?
I'm pretty sure that I included in situ photos. The only one I know for sure that I didn't take an in situ was the one I found on the river sand bar like area with lots of grass.
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Psilocybe cubensis data collection thread. please help with this project if you hunt wild cubensis.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26513593&page=0&vc=1#26513593
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Greenween
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Re: Psilocybe Tampanensis [Re: Doc9151]
#26397400 - 12/23/19 12:48 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pics or it didn’t happen
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Anglerfish
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Re: Psilocybe Tampanensis [Re: Greenween]
#26397503 - 12/23/19 01:34 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Greenween said:
Pics or it didn’t happen
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Alan Rockefeller said:
DNA results came back today:
aTGACTTGaCTTGGTTGTAGCTGGTCCTCTAGGGGACATGTGCTCGCCTTGTCATCTTTATCTATCCACCTGTGAACCTTTTGTAGACTTGGAACTAGTGAATGGGAGAGCATGCTCTCTTTGAAGCTATACCAGGCCTATGTTTTCATATACCCCAAAGAATGTAACAGAATGTATTGTATGGCCTTGTGCCTATAAATCATATACAACTTTCAGCAACGGATCTCTTGGCTCTCGCATCGATGAAGAACGCAGCGAAATGCGATAAGTAATGTGAATTGCAGAATTCAGTGAATCATCGAATCTTTGAACGCACCTTGCGCTCCTTGGTATTCCGAGGAGCATGCCTGTTTGAGTGTCATTAAATTCTCAACCTTACCAGCTTTTGCTGATAATGGCTTGGATGTGGGGGTTTCATTTGCTGGCTTCTGTCGGCTCCCCTCAAATGCATTAGCTGGTACCCCGCGCGGAGCCGTCTATTAGTGTGATAATTATCTACGCTGTGGACATCTGCATCAATGGGATTGTACTGCTTCTAACCGTCCATTTACTGGACAATACAATGACAATTTGACCTCAAATCAGGTAGGACTACCCGCTGAACTTAAGCATAtcA
The sequence is the same as all of the Psilocybe atlantis sequences, and 5 bases different from Psilocybe mexicana. Since this is the same species as Psilocybe atlantis, the older name P. tampanensis takes priority.
Macroscopically, P. tampanensis has a smaller, more convex and lighter in color cap than P. mexicana.
Before this collection arrived it was thought that P. tampanensis was P. mexicana and P. atlantis was slightly different, but that is not the case.
Quote:
Alan Rockefeller said:
Quote:
Doc9151 said:
I have the 2nd recorded find in Florida.
And the third!
Quote:
Doc9151 said:
When I first saw them, I never would have guessed what they were. It was boredom that led me to pick them and subsequently identify them. They look nothing like the pictures in person.
https://mushroomobserver.org/321636
This find looks a lot like the holotype photo taken in 1977.
Next time you find it try to get some really nice photos of them in their native habitat.
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King0fthajuice
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Quote:
Alan Rockefeller said:
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Doc9151 said:
I have the 2nd recorded find in Florida.
And the third!
Quote:
Doc9151 said:
When I first saw them, I never would have guessed what they were. It was boredom that led me to pick them and subsequently identify them. They look nothing like the pictures in person.
https://mushroomobserver.org/321636
This find looks a lot like the holotype photo taken in 1977.
Next time you find it try to get some really nice photos of them in their native habitat.
https://imgur.com/a/7L1hMlV
http://www.museocivico.rovereto.tn.it/UploadDocs/104_art09-Guzman%20&%20C.pdf
The more I research Tampanensis the more I’m finding it discovered and not talked about. I have Ps. Tampanensis from this year season from a hunter in GA; id like to send Alan some samples, I’m in communication with him to get some pieces and a wild print. I saw him post a pic from this week, after the rains of some large fruits.
This paper seems to say that you would be the 4th person Doc to collect in FL.
Maybe I’m being a hater about Stamets but idk; we need to get your name edited onto that page next to the greats! One day I’ll be up there; going for most southerly Tampanensis smh 🤦♂️ just realized tampa is southwest of me lol
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phishhead
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Those look nothing like the Tampanensis I’ve found.
 
 
These were also sent to workman and I was told Atlantis. Which is supposed to be the same as tampanensis.
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phishhead
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Re: Psilocybe Tampanensis [Re: phishhead]
#26903517 - 08/28/20 05:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nitro87
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Re: Psilocybe Tampanensis [Re: phishhead]
#26903535 - 08/28/20 06:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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phishhead said:
Sweet finds Phishead! Gonna keep my eyes peeled for those beauties!!
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RogerTheRetard
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Re: Psilocybe Tampanensis [Re: phishhead]
#26903564 - 08/28/20 06:37 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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phishhead said:
Those look nothing like the Tampanensis I’ve found.
These were also sent to workman and I was told Atlantis. Which is supposed to be the same as tampanensis.
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phishhead said:
These are all Psilocybe tampanensis...
Psilocybe atlantis IS the same species as Psilocybe tampanensis.
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Doc9151
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Re: Psilocybe Tampanensis [Re: phishhead]
#26904952 - 08/28/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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phishhead said:
Those look nothing like the Tampanensis I’ve found.
These were also sent to workman and I was told Atlantis. Which is supposed to be the same as tampanensis.
This is not Psilocybe tampanensis, they look nothing like the specimens I found and the habitat is wrong. This is still interesting, especially if there's not any dung around.
I would love to study this is you will send me a spore print and maybe a couple fruits that are dry.
Edit, it could be because you used a flash that they look off to me, is that correct, you used a flash?
edit: It could be 2 different phenotypes perhaps
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Psilocybe cubensis data collection thread. please help with this project if you hunt wild cubensis.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26513593&page=0&vc=1#26513593
Edited by Doc9151 (08/28/20 09:01 PM)
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RogerTheRetard
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Re: Psilocybe Tampanensis [Re: Doc9151]
#26904963 - 08/28/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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But "Psilocybe atlantis" and Psilocybe tampanensis are the same thing...
What else could they be?
They are not "Psilocybe atlantis" because that means the same thing as Psilocybe tampanensis...
I'm calling those phishhead collections Psilocybe tampanensis unless Alan Rockefeller suggests otherwise...
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