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merch137
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My arguments have nothing to do with organics at all.
Everything I said about soils can be applied to non organics, organics, soils, soilless mixtures.
As its how the plant roots which corresponds to plant growth reacts to the types of soil its in.
This transfers to optimal growth, anything that can water logg makes the roots grow differently. Just like switching from soiless to hydro makes the roots grow differently. If the soil is overly compact the roots grow in a very compact and fibrous manner, if its very non compact and light the plant roots rip through it faster but less thorough and are larger roots not really as fibrous.
Organic or not organic if the medium is soil-like based and not water the plants performance is altered and not in a better way.
The plant really only needs the soil to hold and provide the water to the roots anyways, with a few lesser reasons like helping the roots anchor it in the ground.
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hummingbird

Registered: 06/29/14
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Pennywise. A little over halfway.
Two that were just flipped- Cookie Monster and Raspberry Kush(top).
Pineapple Express very close to harvest.
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MeanGreen
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137] 2
#25314392 - 07/08/18 04:06 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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merch137 said: The plant really only needs the soil to hold and provide the water to the roots anyways, with a few lesser reasons like helping the roots anchor it in the ground.
This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard or read, just goes to show how little you know about plants and agriculture in general. I'd recommend you read about the soil food web, mycorrhizae, benefical bacteria, nematodes and how everything interconnects to provide the plant everything it needs. Teaming With Microbes & Teaming With Fungi by Lowenfels are a good place to start.
Soil life is one of the reasons you're alive and eating.
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Feroxx
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: MeanGreen]
#25314417 - 07/08/18 04:37 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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you can use mycorrhizae on hydro though
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KannaKris
Registered: 06/30/18
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Feroxx] 1
#25314474 - 07/08/18 06:09 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good stuff guys! I sure wish I could grow indoors. Living in hell, is rough on plants, and I have lost a lot due to the extreme heat, sadly. My plants are so far behind, that last year, around this time, I had some 7 footers by now. Here are a few that I put out recently, hopefully they will make it, and I'll get something. I'll not hold my breath.
This first one I caught just in time. it was wilted beyond belief, before I watered it.




It has been so hot, that I couldn't even make it out to my older plants. I'm not even sure they are all still alive. I reckon, this may be my last year growing, unless I move out of hell
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mmcc
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: KannaKris]
#25314613 - 07/08/18 08:49 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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KannaKris said: Good stuff guys! I sure wish I could grow indoors. Living in hell, is rough on plants, and I have lost a lot due to the extreme heat, sadly. My plants are so far behind, that last year, around this time, I had some 7 footers by now. Here are a few that I put out recently, hopefully they will make it, and I'll get something. I'll not hold my breath.
This first one I caught just in time. it was wilted beyond belief, before I watered it.




It has been so hot, that I couldn't even make it out to my older plants. I'm not even sure they are all still alive. I reckon, this may be my last year growing, unless I move out of hell 
You could set up a shade cloth canopy. those green machines are lookin green
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El Torcho
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hummingbird said:
Pineapple Express very close to harvest.
Looking nice! Love the senecense. Looks a lot like the one I grew a few years back.
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El Torcho
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
#25314660 - 07/08/18 09:28 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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merch137 said: This guy is the one that really deserved ban as well if anyone wants to believe this trash over ten years of experimenting with all kinds methods as well as extensively with leds that makes these guys clearly out of their realm of knowledge still acting like they know better when they do not know anything on the topic. Plus net pots just arent the solution as well when using nursery pots or bags for mass planting, it doesnt even sound as good and wouldnt give the same results thats clear as day just reading the difference.
How would I know soil that holds a lot of water works if I didnt try it twelve years ago and then extended upon trying it into different forms of trying ti into other methods, into even more methods, and finding the best methods? You've got to try things like full coco (water retention) vs mostly perlite and then see what the roots look like how fast the roots took over the medium, which relates to how fast the plant above ground will progress as well. Just talking to you, you have done none of this and probably have rarely if never trimmed roots in different mediums either.
Look at your plants in the corner of your house. You will either need a lot more experimenting to do with that shitty soil or you can stay getting really really inferior results that would never be considered when put beside mine. The best excuse is you cant afford to take care of those plants which has been my problem with the plants you point out (youre talking about mass planting and dug up soil). However you're standing so strongly by youre original arguements you cant play this card.
You keep calling my soil shitty as an insult, but I take it as a compliment. I have some of the shittiest soil. It took me years and years of trial, error, experimenting, and reasearh to hone my shitty soil mix.
I wouldn't take the advice of someone who schizophrenically rants about soil and doesn't even know what humus is, or proper compost is, or that a good soil doesn't start with dirt you find in Florida after digging up some grass, or thinks that a good soil mix is 40% coco and 60% perlite, or doesn't even know what a fabric pot is....
I also wouldn't take the advice of someone who post this as an example of their bud. That's for damn sure.
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KannaKris
Registered: 06/30/18
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mmcc]
#25315022 - 07/08/18 01:21 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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KannaKris said: Good stuff guys! I sure wish I could grow indoors. Living in hell, is rough on plants, and I have lost a lot due to the extreme heat, sadly. My plants are so far behind, that last year, around this time, I had some 7 footers by now. Here are a few that I put out recently, hopefully they will make it, and I'll get something. I'll not hold my breath.
This first one I caught just in time. it was wilted beyond belief, before I watered it.




It has been so hot, that I couldn't even make it out to my older plants. I'm not even sure they are all still alive. I reckon, this may be my last year growing, unless I move out of hell 
You could set up a shade cloth canopy. those green machines are lookin green
Yeah, but those plants are a several mile walk from my house, out in the middle of nowhere. This is why I can't go to water them as much, and why they look like shit. People also hunt, fish, and do only God knows what else out there, so I don't want them to be seen. Thanks for the tip, though
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starfirexlove


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: KannaKris]
#25315047 - 07/08/18 01:46 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I could use some help. I think I fucked my plant up pretty bad and I'm not sure why it's not recovering. It's an auto flower and I guess people say you should transplant them. Here's what it looks like.



I think it's related to ph possibly and will try to get some soil tests when I'm in town tomorrow. I transplanted it into some super soil that was really rich but a bit muddy. It started to show all those burnt leaves and drop and kept getting worse. I decided to take it out of the soil. mixed that soil with a bunch of coco coir and perlite and put it back in the pot. Now the leaf damaged has pretty well stopped but it doesn't seem to be recovering really. Maybe root damage from all the moving. I gave it a light feeding of seagull guano and sulfate of potash when I watered it because I heard it helps roots develop.
Do you think it's salvageable?
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starfirexlove


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My other plants
 Zamaldelica regular
 Haze x Kali China fem
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MeanGreen
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Nice seedlings starfirexlove  Ace seeds genetics right? I like what they are doing with IBL's but I grew their Violeta outdoors a couple years ago and I was a bit unimpressed. The plant grew well, no complaints there but the bud wasn't too tasty or potent. It did have nice purpling and bag appeal though.
Interested to see how these turn out for you, best of luck!
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openmind
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: openmind]
#25315140 - 07/08/18 02:43 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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openmind said: My plants are showing signs of what I suspect if N deficiency. (as a reminder, this is my very first time growing the plant)...
A few of the lower leafs are turning yellow/blotchy....The tops of the plants still appear relatively healthy and there's been a noticeable increase in growth over the past 10 days or so, but their overall color/tone isn't quite as "lush" & vibrant as it was.....
I feel that their new & bigger pots with new soil and cleaner water is going to help the situation quite a bit...I'm assuming they'll bounce back considering those variables, I just don't know how long it takes for cannabis to respond to such things....
Just an up-date, since my plants were starting to look a little shabby and N deficient a few days ago before I transplanted them. (likely because they were outgrowing their pots and the black plastic pots they were in was getting super hot with this 100 degree weather)
It's only been 5 days since they've been in their new bigger pots, new soil, and receiving filtered water....
....and they're already looking a lot better and putting on a lot of new growth! They're really starting to take off.
The stem that split on my Cherry Cookies seems to have healed up, or at least the split never did much damage to the vascular tissue in the first place.
Out of the 9 seeds that I germinated, I only have one seedling left that's alive and growing (Raspberry Kush)....I'm pretty certain the super cheap bagged soil I started the seeds in is why most of my seedlings were growing so slowly and died off (super slow growth, every leaf would turn yellow and curl & die within a day or two)....as soon as I got this one seedling into a new pot with some of that roots-soil it was looking a lot better within 24 hours and now it seems to be growing nicely with lush green growth....Lesson learned, don't buy the cheapest bagged soil from home-depot for starting seedlings lol .
I'll eventually get some pics up...My phone doesn't do pictures and I can't transfer pics with my camera at the moment (can't find the cord).
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starfirexlove


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: openmind]
#25315149 - 07/08/18 02:50 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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@MeanGreen Yep, Ace Seeds. I really hope that the NYC Diesel auto produces something decent but it's not looking good. I'll probably just keep watering like normal for now and see if it starts to recover.
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MoonFarmer
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: KannaKris]
#25315683 - 07/08/18 07:02 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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KannaKris said: Good stuff guys! I sure wish I could grow indoors. Living in hell, is rough on plants, and I have lost a lot due to the extreme heat, sadly. My plants are so far behind, that last year, around this time, I had some 7 footers by now. Here are a few that I put out recently, hopefully they will make it, and I'll get something. I'll not hold my breath.
This first one I caught just in time. it was wilted beyond belief, before I watered it.




It has been so hot, that I couldn't even make it out to my older plants. I'm not even sure they are all still alive. I reckon, this may be my last year growing, unless I move out of hell 
Did you add anything to the native soil? There are many things to help hold moisture. Starting by what you put in the ground with them. I would get some brown mulch or at the very least some leaves and a nice layer of them at that and put them around the bases.
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KannaKris
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Normally I don't have any problems,and I just dig my holes,and put the plants in the ground. This year, even with mulching the bases of the plants with leaves and grass, it did no good. When it's 95 degrees outside with 80 percent humidity daily, and it hasn't rained in weeks, no amount of mulch will help you out I even plant all my shit next to water, and there is a creek 20 foot from them, but it's totally bone dry All I can do, is just find the strength to keep on going out there, because we have no rain in site.
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starfirexlove


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So update on the auto flower, it's weird, even though it's not producing any new green growth still, the stem has gotten noticeably thicker in the past two days. Also it's started producing some more white hairs and resin not much yet mind probably since it has well over a month left to go. The leaf damaged seems to have stopped. Is it recovering?
@MoonFarmer I like your caterpillar
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KannaKris
Registered: 06/30/18
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I need to try my hand at autos again. As of yet, I haven't had good success with them. It always seems like no matter the strain, they end up with major PH problems.
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mmcc
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: KannaKris] 2
#25315886 - 07/08/18 09:24 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not impressive but still sweet. This is an update on my indirect light balcony grow. they’re vegging at top and flowering at the bottom lol.
 nice houseplant with a nice treat
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Lophosaurus
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Registered: 08/09/07
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mmcc] 2
#25315989 - 07/08/18 11:02 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here is my Blackberry Fire again. Should be ready soon. I've been flushing with water and molasses for the past few days. I gave all my plants their first taste of molasses this week and they seem to like it.


Here is the Sour D. I'm guessing she has 2 more weeks?

Here they are together. Best buds forever!

I'll snap a few pics of my 2 gelatos tomorrow. I transplanted them and they drooped. Then sprung up the next day and now are slightly droopy again. Maybe they're just adjusting to the hotter soil they were put in.
Next week I'll be starting 6 autoflowers!
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