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juantheman
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Wtf is this? help please
#25298390 - 06/29/18 07:04 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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So i was drying my first flush 2 weeks ago and they looked like this:

I keep them lying in paper and i let them naturally dry cause i dont have a food dehydrator. They looked normal after they were dry, they looked just like the following, which are from the second flush:

I stored them in a closed tupperware. I had done it previously with other shrooms and i thought that would be fine! After checking back a week after drying the first flush, this is what I find:



They've gone all grey and super fuzzy and it looks like a huge mess of spider web and dust all around them... wtf On top of that, they smell awful... They're gone bad right? Can someone explain what happened or what I've done wrong?
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: juantheman]
#25298409 - 06/29/18 07:26 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jesus chrust.. kill it with fire.... They weren't 100% dry.. then in a tupperware you made a perfect place for mold to grow, pretty much coulnd't make a better spot.
You HAVE to buy a dehydrator, they don't cost shit and when you see how nice your shrooms come out you will be so happy you did.
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: icetech]
#25298422 - 06/29/18 07:36 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's hard for me to get one, i cba to explain why. It's 25 degrees celsius in my room, do you think adding a heat mat under the paper would make for better drying? What I'll do is lay my next flushes on paper, but with the heat mat for like 30 degrees or more of temperature, and for longer so they're 100% dry when i store them, then. So this kind of mold can only grow if there's water left in them or what?
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: icetech]
#25298431 - 06/29/18 07:38 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Aw man,R.I.P. shrooms. That almost made me cry.
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: juantheman]
#25298434 - 06/29/18 07:40 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Have you tried hanging them up on a rack and pointing a fan at them with cool air? Thats how i dry my libs.
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: SemiHunter]
#25298435 - 06/29/18 07:42 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Obv not these ones though
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: juantheman]
#25298440 - 06/29/18 07:43 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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If we could dry shrooms by spreading them out on paper towels, we all would have been doing that. Why spend money on a dehydrator that we don't need? Unless you live out in a desert or something. In that case, maybe put them on racks outside.
If you are determined to store them without a dehydrator, then explore making tea or possibly freezing them and making tea later. Or make tea and freeze that. Or perhaps find another way to extract the psylocibin.
Edited by NosmoKing (06/29/18 07:45 AM)
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: juantheman]
#25298446 - 06/29/18 07:48 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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juantheman said: It's hard for me to get one, i cba to explain why. It's 25 degrees celsius in my room, do you think adding a heat mat under the paper would make for better drying? What I'll do is lay my next flushes on paper, but with the heat mat for like 30 degrees or more of temperature, and for longer so they're 100% dry when i store them, then. So this kind of mold can only grow if there's water left in them or what?
No idea why you can't get one.. but if when you dry them and you bend them and they bend buut not break. they aren't dry enough. ANY moisture will/can cause mold/bacterial issues.. first shrooms i did had mold (asshole told me it was spores) i felt like i had food poisoning for 2 days.. was horrible.
As far as drying without a $20 dehydrator.. no idea i never even tried. i know it can take days even with a fan/heat
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: NosmoKing]
#25298448 - 06/29/18 07:48 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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NosmoKing said:
If you are determined to store them without a dehydrator, then explore making tea or possibly freezing them and making tea later. Or make tea and freeze that. Or perhaps find another way to extract the psylocibin.
You can't freeze wet shrooms you'll end up with a mushy mess.
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: NosmoKing]
#25298459 - 06/29/18 07:52 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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if no dehydrator available, no oven/fan available, maybe find some Calcium Chloride pellets at the dollar store?!
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: Grimsweeper]
#25298467 - 06/29/18 07:53 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Aw damn...
Friends this why I stress time and time again the importance of getting a dehydrator!
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: icetech]
#25298469 - 06/29/18 07:54 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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If they looked like the ones in the second pic, then they don't look dry at all.. if you can't get a dehydrator make one.
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: Tormato]
#25298475 - 06/29/18 07:57 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tormato said: Aw damn...
Friends this why I stress time and time again the importance of getting a dehydrator!

Yeah, i bought a cheap one and was shocked at how fast and how dry it made things... one of the best investments..
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: harmal]
#25298481 - 06/29/18 07:59 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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harmal said: If they looked like the ones in the second pic, then they don't look dry at all.. if you can't get a dehydrator make one.

nice macgyvering man!
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: icetech]
#25298494 - 06/29/18 08:05 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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icetech said:
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Tormato said: Aw damn...
Friends this why I stress time and time again the importance of getting a dehydrator!

Yeah, i bought a cheap one and was shocked at how fast and how dry it made things... one of the best investments..
I would say a dehydrator and good size PC are 2 of the wisest investments a cultivator will make
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: juantheman]
#25298498 - 06/29/18 08:07 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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juantheman said: So i was drying my first flush 2 weeks ago and they looked like this:

I keep them lying in paper and i let them naturally dry cause i dont have a food dehydrator. They looked normal after they were dry, they looked just like the following, which are from the second flush:

I stored them in a closed tupperware. I had done it previously with other shrooms and i thought that would be fine! After checking back a week after drying the first flush, this is what I find:



They've gone all grey and super fuzzy and it looks like a huge mess of spider web and dust all around them... wtf On top of that, they smell awful... They're gone bad right? Can someone explain what happened or what I've done wrong?
Yes they've obviously gone bad. What went wrong is you didn't dry them and then put them in a Tupperware
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: bodhisatta]
#25298569 - 06/29/18 08:53 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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The reasons I don't get a dehydrator are, well, firstly, if I were to order one it would take some weeks and i wouldnt be able to use it for one or two flushes. Plus I live with more people and they would suspect a lot me ordering a dehydrator. If i were to get a local one, well, belive it or not but i checked many stores and theyre like 50€+, believe it or not. What temperature is good for drying? Right now I have my second flush on paper, but with a heat mat under the paper, and its 32 degrees celsius in there, which I think would be okay, even if it takes time. I put the mat a while ago on, the temperature might even rise, from what I read around 50 degrees celsius is ideal for drying, but with a dehydrator you would dry them in a much shorter period time than what I am anyways, so I'm not sure Damn that wasted flush was like 25g... pretty upset
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: juantheman]
#25298582 - 06/29/18 08:59 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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For gods sake man, spend the 50€
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: juantheman]
#25298588 - 06/29/18 09:02 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm with everyone on the importance of getting a dehydrator, and the fact that there's nothing to substitute proper dehydration.
That said, I air/fan dried my shrooms for many years without ever losing shrooms to mold or rot. And I kept these shrooms for years as well, and they retained potency. The thing is you have to leave them in front of moving air on a rack or something similar for a very long time, until they are cracker dry. Of course, they aren't actually true cracker dry even when they seem like it, but if you dry them this way they should last (although not as well as if properly dehydrated)
That shit in your pic is gross as fuck though.
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: pixelpopper]
#25298611 - 06/29/18 09:17 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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pixelpopper said: I'm with everyone on the importance of getting a dehydrator, and the fact that there's nothing to substitute proper dehydration.
That said, I air/fan dried my shrooms for many years without ever losing shrooms to mold or rot. And I kept these shrooms for years as well, and they retained potency. The thing is you have to leave them in front of moving air on a rack or something similar for a very long time, until they are cracker dry. Of course, they aren't actually true cracker dry even when they seem like it, but if you dry them this way they should last (although not as well as if properly dehydrated)
That shit in your pic is gross as fuck though.
100%
Keys are moving air and heat. Most dehydrators go ~160f. Really the Dehydrator is going to be the most effective & incognito method. What you're trying op, is gonna make a mess again.
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: pixelpopper]
#25298613 - 06/29/18 09:19 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Juan, i understand the not wanting to be suspicious.. it only takes one complete asshole to ruin your life...
Ok.. so you have a heat pad.. the best thing you can do in my mind would be to find like a clean garbage can and some racks.. put the heat pad at the bottom (as safely as possible.. fire is bad) scrounge up some cooling racks (like bakers cookie racks, they are CHEAP) and find a way to mount them above the heat rack.. instant dehydrator.. I would also put some holes in the bottom of the can so you can get convection going..
All a dehydrator does is move warm air over whatever you are dying.. you could make one using that heat pad in 20 minutes.
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: icetech]
#25298831 - 06/29/18 11:47 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh man that is devastating, I would honestly invest the €50 otherwise all that hard work is for nothing, maybe order one and tell the people you live with you want to make Jerky? Maybe make 1 batch of Jerky when it comes and then after that use it for your shrooms.
Edit: Also I am no expect by any means but maybe cut the mushrooms in half down the middle so they dry better? When I dried mine with my dehydrator I thought they were good to go but the bottoms of them still had moisture in them which I am grateful I found out before it was too late.
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: Grey59]
#25298843 - 06/29/18 11:51 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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To build on Grey's comment, you can dehydrate fruit into chips to. Probably easier than prepping meat for jerky.
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: LtLurker]
#25298849 - 06/29/18 11:53 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you have a fan, and a paper bag with slits in it you can dehydrate your mushrooms without heat; no problem.
This is tragic. Sorry for your loss. RIP
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: Grey59]
#25298961 - 06/29/18 12:45 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Grey59 said: Maybe make 1 batch of Jerky when it comes and then after that use it for your shrooms.
Mmmmm...mmmmm... jerky flavored shrooms
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: Tormato]
#25298979 - 06/29/18 12:53 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tormato said: Aw damn...
Friends this why I stress time and time again the importance of getting a dehydrator!

yes sir. I feel for you man. When I started out I had 3 ziplock bags full of "dried" shrooms grow trich. It sucks to do all this work to keep trich outta your grow just to have it show up when you think you've beat it.
Edited by PsilocyBen17 (06/29/18 12:56 PM)
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: icetech]
#25299546 - 06/29/18 06:24 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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What do you mean by a clean garbage? And fire? It's not like a really powerful heat pad, it wouldnt cause a fire.
Anyways, I'll explain: this was my second grow and i had done a previous one like 4 months ago. Back then it wasn't too warm in my room, so I used a heat mat. To dry my shrooms back then what i would do was having the shrooms on paper like now, but with the heat mat under. Whithin, i'd say, 2 or 3 days they would be dry, this long period of time probably took some potency from them I guess? But that was fine cause they wre pretty much cracker dry, the small ones at least, bigger ones would be like 90% dry. The thing is, since it's summer now, I checked that the temperature in my room is like 25 degrees and I thought like, okay if back then it was cold in my room and I used the heat mat to dry them, this temperature should also be is hot enough, I'll leave them on paper again but without the heat mat! And then after 2 or 3 days I stored them rip, cause they turned out to not be cracker dry/they had moisture still. But now that i think about it, it was like 7 flushes that i successfully dried with the heat mat before. I think I would be fine if I had just used it again instead of thinking that room temperature was sufficient I have the second flush lying on paper still, with the heat mat right under, they should be at like 40 degrees since theyre right above the mat lying on the paper. I'll just blow them with cold air from an hair dryer right before storing them just to be sure there's no moisture Thanks for all the suggestions btw, it's trully sad to lose such an amount, it was an entire holiday of tripping that i had in mind...
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: Grimsweeper]
#25299562 - 06/29/18 06:36 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Grimsweeper said: Mmmmm...mmmmm... jerky flavored shrooms
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: Tormato]
#25299635 - 06/29/18 07:16 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Grimsweeper said: Mmmmm...mmmmm... jerky flavored shrooms

It would totally be do-able, to make shroomy jerky sticks.
EASY. maybe.
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: juantheman]
#25299640 - 06/29/18 07:18 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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One thing to keep in mind if your method worked last time and not this time, I know in the winter my house is dry as hell from the furnace running, but the ac doesn't seem to kill the humidity as well, so there's probably more moisture in the air now and even with the heating pad it could take longer than it did before for them to get cracker dry. What about buying a small desk fan to go along with your heating pad, get some air moving?
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: Thr33crt]
#25299684 - 06/29/18 07:45 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: Thr33crt]
#25300229 - 06/30/18 05:14 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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i can probably do that, I also happen to have a dehumidifier, would that help?
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Re: Wtf is this? help please [Re: juantheman]
#25300671 - 06/30/18 11:28 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would think so, also the suggestion above for damprid would be pretty stealthy, we used some kind of desiccant for my wedding bouquet and it worked really well (idk what type it was). But that was literally throw desiccant and flowers in a closed box until all the moisture was gone. I don't remember how long it took since it was about 6 years ago.
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