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OfflineSpliffRichards
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ID Request: Suspected Galerina Marginata in Melbourne, Australia
    #25282568 - 06/21/18 05:55 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I am hunting Psilocybe Subaeruginosa in Melbourne, Australia, and have nearly been tricked by these guys a couple of times. I suspect they might be the deadly Galerina Marginata, and I would love if anybody could confirm this or ID them as something else.


Habitat:
In wood chips, same as P. Subaeruginosa, often found right next to them.

Gills:
Orangey, caramelly brown

Stem:
Pale cream with orangey brown, reasonably sturdy, often with a ring below the cap.

Cap:
Caramelly brown, VERY similar looking to subs from the top, the main reason I've nearly been tricked by them. The caps look just like a young emerging sub.

Spore print color:



Orangey, browny.
(Shown in photo, the two spore prints on top are from my suspected Galerinas, both printed for about 20 hours, compared against spore prints below of Psilocybe Subaeruginosa, printed for 24 hours and 5 hours (as written below). Strangely the colours of my suspected Galerina spore prints seem to be different to each other, perhaps suggesting they are actually different species? Or perhaps the one on the left was younger and had more spores to drop resulting in a brighter colour? The top left spore print is a bright orange, obviously differing to the dark purply brown of the P. Subaeruginosa. The top right print looks a similar colour to the bottom right (5 hour P. Subaeruginosa) but upon close inspection is a little bit more orange/rusty.)


Bruising:
No bruising colour really, perhaps brown if anything.

In the photos below, I've shown a handful of my suspected Galerina's next to a handful of P. Subaeruginosa for comparison, as well as the suspected Galerina in the ground, and closeups of the suspected Galerina.















Thanks very much in advance to anyone who might be able to weigh in on ID'ing these for me!


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Re: ID Request: Suspected Galerina Marginata in Melbourne, Australia [Re: SpliffRichards]
    #25282670 - 06/21/18 07:24 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Yes those are Galerina marginata please do not consume.


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Re: ID Request: Suspected Galerina Marginata in Melbourne, Australia [Re: PsubChamp92]
    #25282690 - 06/21/18 07:35 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Wow - awesome post, great finds.
I think this is a must read for any Aussie shroomer.
The difference between subs and galerina is subtle, especially if they are near each other.
Be careful peeps!


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Re: ID Request: Suspected Galerina Marginata in Melbourne, Australia [Re: Vort]
    #25282701 - 06/21/18 07:40 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Tomorrow morning I am going on a hunt and will be posting a thread as a guide for P.Sub hunters in any region they frequent. Explaining what to look for and why and all the juicy details. Aswell as covering Galerina sand how to distinguish. Because as you say yes they are dangerous close especially to an amateur picker, they have a ring on the stem but even that disappears most of the time with age.
Hopefully people are interested in what i have to say about it all, especially newer AUS members.


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Re: ID Request: Suspected Galerina Marginata in Melbourne, Australia [Re: SpliffRichards]
    #25282798 - 06/21/18 08:27 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I found one today that looked very much like a partially dried Sub

https://imgur.com/a/pcIcHOZ

I always do spore prints and have only ever gotten dark brown/purple tinge so I thought I'd see what this one does and it's still going but appeared rusty brown quite similar to yours when I last checked. No bluing and the stem isn't as white though but it does make me nervous they can be so similar.


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Re: ID Request: Suspected Galerina Marginata in Melbourne, Australia [Re: Goobin]
    #25282818 - 06/21/18 08:38 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

that is also a Galerina


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Re: ID Request: Suspected Galerina Marginata in Melbourne, Australia [Re: PsubChamp92]
    #25283356 - 06/21/18 01:28 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Pic #3 top row Galerina, bottom row looks like p. Subaueruginosa


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Re: ID Request: Suspected Galerina Marginata in Melbourne, Australia [Re: Doc9151]
    #25284112 - 06/21/18 08:11 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I do not envy you aussies and kiwis with your deadly lookalikes to contend with.

Here in Florida I can spot a P cubensis from 50 meters.  I don't even need to take spore prints anymore.  There's just nothing else like them.


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Re: ID Request: Suspected Galerina Marginata in Melbourne, Australia [Re: individualist]
    #25284442 - 06/22/18 12:43 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks heaps for the replies everyone!

Does anybody have an idea why I got two slightly different coloured spore prints from my Galerinas?


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Re: ID Request: Suspected Galerina Marginata in Melbourne, Australia [Re: SpliffRichards]
    #25284469 - 06/22/18 01:23 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

The 24 hour one on the left and the 5 hour one on the right? Its to do with spore concentration i would say, a dense deposit has a darker or more clear colouring to it.


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