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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: MagicMush123] 1
#25279886 - 06/19/18 09:44 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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You can loosely compare anything. I bet every prison system has the same disturbing tactics and similarities. You're just trying to use buzz words for emotional appeal, and its not working, it just makes you sound hysterical
I can't tell what you're arguing now. Prison/aka slave camps ARE pretty comparable, yes. I'd rather be in a (non Nazi Germany) concentration camp than prison but uh... I'm not really sure what you're getting at now. I'd rather be in a war zone than either, that's not because I want to be in a war zone though but bc both are
Im trying to say that these are not really 'concentration camps', the term is a buzz word primary used to discredit them and further the trump hitler analogies. Of course technically they are 'concentration camps' like you can say about any prison or detention center, but in this case its disingenuous and primarily used to attack the trump administration
What would you prefer we call them then, prisons, detention centers, internment camps? Concentration camp is the most accurate term of the four, you have to call them something. The first two imply a crime was committed, the last is just another name for a concentration camp yet loosely is defined as a concentration camp during a time of war. If Trump doesn't want to be compared to Nazi Germany then he should probably not enact facist policies and support self indentifying nazis and white nationalism.
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: krypto2000] 2
#25279899 - 06/19/18 09:53 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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You people need to quit comparing this shit to Nazi concentration camps. All people have to do to point out that your opinion is totally uninformed is point out the fact that the kids aren't being gassed immediately upon arrival. It's hyperbolic and just makes it easier for people to undermine whatever salient points you might have. It might not make a big huge difference when you're bitching back and forth on a magic mushroom forum, but out in the real world you're just going to be adding insult to the further injury that you're causing by means of hyperbole.
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: krypto2000]
#25279921 - 06/19/18 10:07 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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You can loosely compare anything. I bet every prison system has the same disturbing tactics and similarities. You're just trying to use buzz words for emotional appeal, and its not working, it just makes you sound hysterical
I can't tell what you're arguing now. Prison/aka slave camps ARE pretty comparable, yes. I'd rather be in a (non Nazi Germany) concentration camp than prison but uh... I'm not really sure what you're getting at now. I'd rather be in a war zone than either, that's not because I want to be in a war zone though but bc both are
Im trying to say that these are not really 'concentration camps', the term is a buzz word primary used to discredit them and further the trump hitler analogies. Of course technically they are 'concentration camps' like you can say about any prison or detention center, but in this case its disingenuous and primarily used to attack the trump administration
What would you prefer we call them then, prisons, detention centers, internment camps? Concentration camp is the most accurate term of the four, you have to call them something. The first two imply a crime was committed, the last is just another name for a concentration camp yet loosely is defined as a concentration camp during a time of war. If Trump doesn't want to be compared to Nazi Germany then he should probably not enact facist policies and support self indentifying nazis and white nationalism.
Yea, detention centers would fit perfectly. Why not start out with detention centers? is it not sensational enough?
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: chibiabos]
#25279926 - 06/19/18 10:10 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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chibiabos said: You people need to quit comparing this shit to Nazi concentration camps.
Who is "you people" exactly?
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All people have to do to point out that your opinion is totally uninformed is point out the fact that the kids aren't being gassed immediately upon arrival.
Umm, you realize people weren't immediately gassed in nazi camps too right? It started as "we need to concentrate these people" then it escalated too "deporting them all is too hard lets just execute them" and we already have nationalists calling for that...
Some of you need to read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can%27t_Happen_Here
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: musiclover420]
#25279927 - 06/19/18 10:11 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: Hey let’s all argue about the word we use to describe whats going on and ignore what’s going on.
Here's the page you can search for any local protests on the 30th: https://act.moveon.org/event/families-belong-together/
DC will be the main area not surprisingly but they no doubt will happen in many other cities.
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Omg, there's a protest?! No way, they must be serious this time. Oh wait, isn't there a different protest every fucking week?
Yeah lets just ignore it instead or defend it like you seem to be trying to
Protests have actually made a difference through out history believe it or not, and if you aren't going to protest against inhumane treatment of children what are you going to protest against?...
Yea, they can be, and are. But when theres a protest every fucking week and half are about trump. It takes away the merits of protesting
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: musiclover420]
#25279933 - 06/19/18 10:16 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Umm, you realize people weren't immediately gassed in nazi camps too right? It started as "we need to concentrate these people" then it escalated too "deporting them all is too hard lets just execute them" and we already have nationalists calling for that...
Even ignoring the fact that children were killed immediately upon arrival, that is not at all how the Holocaust progressed.
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: MagicMush123]
#25279938 - 06/19/18 10:18 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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A detention center seems worse to me bc it implies a crime was committed. Concentration camps lock up people for their race or similar factors.
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: MagicMush123]
#25279940 - 06/19/18 10:21 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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There’s a protest about trump every week? Where? In Canada? Certainly not here in the US.
There was the protests about the refugee and Muslim country ban. Those worked by the way.
What else?
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: krypto2000]
#25279942 - 06/19/18 10:21 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: A detention center seems worse to me bc it implies a crime was committed. Concentration camps lock up people for their race or similar factors.
A crime was committed.
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: krypto2000]
#25279943 - 06/19/18 10:23 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: A detention center seems worse to me bc it implies a crime was committed. Concentration camps lock up people for their race or similar factors.
They are internment camps/centers
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Internment is the imprisonment or confinement of people, commonly in large groups, without trial.
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: koods]
#25279944 - 06/19/18 10:23 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: There’s a protest about trump every week? Where? In Canada? Certainly not here in the US.
There was the protests about the refugee and Muslim country ban. Those worked by the way.
What else?
They worked? How so? Is the states now accepting Muslim refugees?
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: MagicMush123]
#25279948 - 06/19/18 10:25 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: A detention center seems worse to me bc it implies a crime was committed. Concentration camps lock up people for their race or similar factors.
A crime was committed.
No it wasn't. They approached the US-Mexican border from the Mexican side in order to put themselves in the custody of US authorities. That's not illegal immigration.
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: koods]
#25279950 - 06/19/18 10:28 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: There was the protests about the refugee and Muslim country ban. Those worked by the way.
You could just easily say that it would have been struck down anyway because it was unconstitutional. Screaming into an echo chamber has never accomplished much.
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: MagicMush123]
#25279955 - 06/19/18 10:31 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: A detention center seems worse to me bc it implies a crime was committed. Concentration camps lock up people for their race or similar factors.
A crime was committed.
Not according to US law. If they were charged with a crime it is a constitutional requirement that they can give a statement of guilt or non-guilt to a court, where a judge has the sole discretion to determine whether the person can be held before trial. These people have not been charged with a crime because then they get those rights.
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: chibiabos] 1
#25279961 - 06/19/18 10:34 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: There was the protests about the refugee and Muslim country ban. Those worked by the way.
You could just easily say that it would have been struck down anyway because it was unconstitutional. Screaming into an echo chamber has never accomplished much.
Wasn’t an echo chamber. There were protests in every airport. It motivated lawyers to take clients. It embarrassed the administration and exposed their complete lack of planning.
Maybe you don’t remember but they changed the implementation of the policy within a day of the protests beginning, before any court decision.
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: koods] 2
#25279963 - 06/19/18 10:37 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just realized this may come down to as a difference between those who can empathize with immigrants/view them as a part of themselves and those who view them as "others."
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: koods]
#25280021 - 06/19/18 11:14 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: Wasn’t an echo chamber. There were protests in every airport. It motivated lawyers to take clients.
Yes. That is what motivated lawyers to render billable services. And if there's anything that Donald Trump and his supporters give a crap about, it's what his detractors think about anything that he does. That should be pretty obvious from the walls of textual shitfighting that you call discussion.
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: chibiabos]
#25280050 - 06/19/18 11:40 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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they aren’t the target audience
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: koods]
#25280053 - 06/19/18 11:42 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: US border patrol separating immigrant kids from parents and locking them in "cages" [Re: musiclover420]
#25280139 - 06/20/18 01:21 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's called a cell.
Do the crime, pay the time.
Any other American who goes to jail risks putting their children in jeopardy.
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