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 myceliups
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 Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge***  [Re: pixelpopper]
#25279575 - 06/19/18 07:06 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I still say it's different. I do both methods often.
But when I teach people I always start them with PF
tek and syringes. Just so much easier than teaching
them everything else.
Still really don't matter. We all have our own
preferences of methods we do. People can be unique.
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pixelpopper
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: myceliups]
#25279661 - 06/19/18 07:35 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree that spore syringes have their place and while it may not be technically easier to grow PF Tek, it looks less intimidating to most new growers and they are more likely to give it a try.
But as far as it being different, you're using the same spores either way. One comes off a print and the other went from print to syringe first, so its really not any different aside from method of inoculation.
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myceliups
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: pixelpopper]
#25279686 - 06/19/18 07:45 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah but I had plenty of times where I made one transfer
and ended up with super large grows and also had single
transfers give me puny little fruits.
I make syringes with small prints but use the whole print
for each syringe. For a swipe I use the tiniest bit of spores.
I just feel with the huge load of spores from a syringe would
have many more variables.
And yeah pf tek don't really look intimidation. When introduce
people to it they get astounded, ( so I just put spores in a
jar of sterile mushroom food and wait? And then I take them
out and put them in humid plastic and I have mushies? Dude I
have mason jars and my mom has a pressure cooker!) LOL
But I taught a few people agar and lost them for a while. lol
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: myceliups]
#25279790 - 06/19/18 08:32 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Spore syringes are useless imo. If it wasn't for noobs wanting them because of teks designed around them. Agar is so stupid fucking easy that you could have grade schoolers do it.
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PsilocyBen17
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: myceliups]
#25279915 - 06/19/18 10:03 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
myceliups said:
Quote:
PsilocyBen17 said:
i just dk why people are still making syringes. 
Some just like it. As Germ says you get that crazy
hodgepodge of genetics.
I often use MS syringes. Mainly for cakes to have a much
broader range of genetics. And IME I never get contams
using spore syringe with cakes.
Also I teach A LOT of people who aren't on the forums and
I like to start them off pf style with syringes lol.
And they are convenient as fuck. A 1 gallon bag of syringes
lasted me multiple years without losing viability. But this
is what I like lol.
using syringes is a bad practice and shouldnt be taught to anyone....they are fine to use on cakes but using them on grains is a bad idea and an outdated technique.
the reason being is that spores are never harvested in sterile conditions. they are inherently dirty. its much smarter to germinate a drop of spore solutiom on agar, make a transfer, and go from there...
just to be clear we are talking about spores, not MS. the two terms arent interchangable. you can still have an MS agar plate that has all of the hodgepodge of genetics without the risk of contams
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: myceliups]
#25279937 - 06/19/18 10:17 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
myceliups said:
Yeah but I had plenty of times where I made one transfer
and ended up with super large grows and also had single
transfers give me puny little fruits.
I make syringes with small prints but use the whole print
for each syringe. For a swipe I use the tiniest bit of spores.
I just feel with the huge load of spores from a syringe would
have many more variables.
And yeah pf tek don't really look intimidation. When introduce
people to it they get astounded, ( so I just put spores in a
jar of sterile mushroom food and wait? And then I take them
out and put them in humid plastic and I have mushies? Dude I
have mason jars and my mom has a pressure cooker!) LOL
But I taught a few people agar and lost them for a while. lol
the reason you are seeing puny genetics in some grows and good flushes in others is because there are 100’s of strains. which strains you get is a crapshoot. wether you transfer to agar or use a needle it makes no difference. the only difference is that by using agar you are reducing the liklyhood of contams ten fold.
sorry to keep hammering this point, but this community has worked really hard to dissuade ppl from using syringes. they are filthy, and advocating for them is ridiculous.
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pixelpopper
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#25279975 - 06/19/18 10:45 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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The main reason PF Tek is less intimidating is because people can get the spore solution ready to go without having to make it up themselves. Regardless of whether or not its easier, the simple fact that people don't have to make the syringe is the main selling point. As soon as you add the extra step of either making a syringe or taking a swab to agar, you lose a lot of people. Whether or not its actually easier, that's just the initial impression when most don't really understand anything anyway, and lot of the time can't even focus enough to do PF Tek correctly.
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: pixelpopper]
#25280235 - 06/20/18 03:57 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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T shirts a a waste. What the fuck is the point of
those pathetic 3 inch sleeves. What a waste. Have
full sleeves or none at all. Right? Point is it
really don't matter. People have preferences. And
not everyone is a carbon copy of the other. So enjoy
the way you grow as I and others enjoy their methods.
Lets turn 7qts to 14oz.
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HyphalSystem
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: myceliups]
#25280279 - 06/20/18 05:03 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thos looks fun! May give this a try. Syringes or agar is fine Its all preference Car or Truck? Who cares? LMAO
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: HyphalSystem]
#25280375 - 06/20/18 06:59 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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what siZe tote are y’all using for this?
I may join in but I haven’t done a mono in 6 months and those were 90 and 105 qt big boys.
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Germs
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#25280394 - 06/20/18 07:13 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
PsilocyBen17 said:
Quote:
myceliups said:
Quote:
PsilocyBen17 said:
i just dk why people are still making syringes.
Some just like it. As Germ says you get that crazy
hodgepodge of genetics.
I often use MS syringes. Mainly for cakes to have a much
broader range of genetics. And IME I never get contams
using spore syringe with cakes.
Also I teach A LOT of people who aren't on the forums and
I like to start them off pf style with syringes lol.
And they are convenient as fuck. A 1 gallon bag of syringes
lasted me multiple years without losing viability. But this
is what I like lol.
using syringes is a bad practice and shouldnt be taught to anyone....
That’s a lame opinion to have
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: Germs]
#25280493 - 06/20/18 08:37 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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(using syringes is a bad practice and shouldnt be taught to anyone)
If you say that's lame opinion I agree but im not special. But i really cant wait to see all of the fungi in this thread. Great challenge guys
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: FishLevelMidnight]
#25280536 - 06/20/18 09:04 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
fishermansjc said:
what siZe tote are y’all using for this?
I may join in but I haven’t done a mono in 6 months and those were 90 and 105 qt big boys.
I'm using 66 or 60 qt tubs I can't remeber cause einripped the label off years ago...BUT there is no stipulation on tub size...you can use any size tub you want.
To be honest all cultures are welcome, I just wanna see 14 oz's off of 7 quarts of spawn!!! Only caveat is...If you do use a clones culture, please clarify that it is a clone
Edited by Peteyboy (06/20/18 09:05 AM)
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: Peteyboy]
#25280754 - 06/20/18 11:06 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can it be any strain not just penises or albino penises?
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Germs
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: HyphalSystem]
#25280832 - 06/20/18 11:38 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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HyphalSystem said:
Can it be any strain not just penises or albino penises?
Yes it can uncut penises as well
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: HyphalSystem]
#25280883 - 06/20/18 11:55 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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HyphalSystem said:
(using syringes is a bad practice and shouldnt be taught to anyone)
If you say that's lame opinion I agree but im not special. But i really cant wait to see all of the fungi in this thread. Great challenge guys
Spores are dirty and should only be used in PF style cakes. not grains. you don’t have to take my word for it. look n see what TCs have had to say about them lately. its not a matter of preference. its a matter of science. its been said before, but the only time you should be using a syringe in 2017 is if you are filming a historical documentary on how cubes used to be grown 
This challange will be great despite some of the silly ideas in here.
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#25280894 - 06/20/18 11:58 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
PsilocyBen17 said:
Spores are dirty and should only be used in PF style cakes. not grains. you don’t have to take my word for it. look n see what TCs have had to say about them lately. its not a matter of preference. its a matter of science. its been said before, but the only time you should be using a syringe in 2017 is if you are filming a historical documentary on how cubes used to be grown
This challange will be great despite some of the silly ideas in here.
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: pixelpopper]
#25280905 - 06/20/18 12:03 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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...2018.... whatever year it is.
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Germs
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#25280926 - 06/20/18 12:12 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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We’ll let the results speak for themselves. They always do
Spores to LC is often vilified yet mary fairchild just put out arguably the best panaeolus grow of the past 12 months doing just that
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Re: ***The Official 7QT - 14OZ First Flush Challenge*** [Re: Germs]
#25280954 - 06/20/18 12:34 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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right. but again. MS grows are a crapshoot. using a wedge or spore solution or lc makes no difference to yeilds. only contam rates. and spore syringes have the highest likelyhood of contamination.
spores to LC should be villified because it is pure stupidity to encourage that much risk
Edited by PsilocyBen17 (06/20/18 12:37 PM)
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