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How much does depth of your casing containers matter?
    #2526924 - 04/05/04 10:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think I remember reading in the facts the the deeper the substrate (and thus and casing layer)the larger mushrooms you will produce.

My kitten has been using casing containers of about 3" deep and casing accordingly and I am wondering if she would get more mushrooms if she had a container that allowed a deeper substrate and then a good casing layer. The fruits are usually tall and skinny.

So I guess what I'm asking is, how deep should the casing container be for optimum results?


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Re: How much does depth of your casing containers matter? [Re: MOTH]
    #2527004 - 04/05/04 11:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How much light does your kitten give her shrooms? I have heard that too much light will make them grow taller.

From what I have seen and read a 4in substrate layer is a fairly common depth. Im working on my first sucesfull casing now. This is the first time I have gotten mush from a casing. I should have left it in the incubator for another week and patched more. I'll know better next time.


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Re: How much does depth of your casing containers matter? [Re: niteowl]
    #2527028 - 04/05/04 11:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, it's definately a learning process. (but a fun one!)

As for light, the light is on for 12 hours, and off for 12 hours. Is that too much, do you think?


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Re: How much does depth of your casing containers matter? [Re: MOTH]
    #2527052 - 04/05/04 11:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

what ingredients did you youse for casings?


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Re: How much does depth of your casing containers matter? [Re: niteowl]
    #2527069 - 04/05/04 11:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

P. statements book recommends 14hours of light a day i believe.


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Re: How much does depth of your casing containers matter? [Re: Bolwarra]
    #2527400 - 04/05/04 02:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Colonized WBS and coir/verm in a PMP

Any guesses why the little guys are so tall and skinny?


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Re: How much does depth of your casing containers matter? [Re: MOTH]
    #2527423 - 04/05/04 02:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

lack or air exchange, fan more.


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Re: How much does depth of your casing containers matter? [Re: thisone]
    #2527438 - 04/05/04 02:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Is there any way my kitten could rig a system to where the terrarium does the air exchange for her? (she's away large portions of the day)

I was hoping that the bubbler from the poor man's pod would be enough...

thanks for the help


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Re: How much does depth of your casing containers matter? [Re: MOTH]
    #2527447 - 04/05/04 02:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

a small pc fan....another aqua bubbler just for air exchange...


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Re: How much does depth of your casing containers matter? [Re: dobinky]
    #2527453 - 04/05/04 02:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

cool mist?


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Re: How much does depth of your casing containers matter? [Re: thisone]
    #2527464 - 04/05/04 02:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, she tried the cool mist before but then the air exchange was TOO much. (kept sucking all the humidity out)

But she''ll get another pump and more bubblers to see if that helps. Do you think it *would* help with air exchange?


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Re: How much does depth of your casing containers matter? [Re: MOTH]
    #2527529 - 04/05/04 02:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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As for light, the light is on for 12 hours, and off for 12 hours. Is that too much, do you think?




I only give them a few hours per day when I fan them. About 1-2 hours 2-3 times a day. I havent ever had a problem getting pins.


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Re: How much does depth of your casing containers matter? [Re: MOTH]
    #2527699 - 04/05/04 03:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

From what I read 12 on 12off is standard
some more some less
I let light from a window with a curtin on it get to mine.
Been getting a nice grow, 1/2 pint cakes producing about 36grams wet. 1st and 2nd flush


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Re: How much does depth of your casing containers matter? [Re: MOTH]
    #2528965 - 04/05/04 08:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

deeper casings will produce larger fruits generally.
increased air exchange in the presence of good light will result in shorter thicker mushrooms with larger caps relative to stem length.

The easiest way to increase evaporation rate(primary purpose for airflow) is to simply leave the top to your frutiing chamber partially open. If it is a lid to a rubbermaid, just put the lid on imperfectly so the corners are open. This will drastically increase the evaporation rate at the surface of the casing layer, speeding up mushroom maturation. You have to make sure that the rate isn't too fast so your casing dries up, but you need it to loose moisture.

Tall skinny mushrooms are the result of imperfect environment, not casing depth. If you increased casing depth and did not change your environmnet, you would have larger tall skinny mushrooms.


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Re: How much does depth of your casing containers matter? [Re: MOTH]
    #2529016 - 04/05/04 09:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Four days ago I placed 3 WBS casings in my new terrarium in the pic. This is my first try with automated air exchange and this set up seems to be working very well. It is a VICKS Cool Mist with two 1/2" pieces of garden hose. What I like about it is that with the cool mist, the air is humid when it enters your grow chamber helping keep your casings from drying out while supplying with fresh oxygen. My RH stay at 90%-95%.


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Re: How much does depth of your casing containers matter? [Re: wicish1]
    #2529074 - 04/05/04 09:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think light has anything do do with a mushies height for their shear reason that mushies only use light to tell them which way to grow. On the other hand the air exchange idea sounds like it would be on the right page.I mean if you are thinking about it they could be stretching so the can get out of their c02 enviorment.Also if c02 is heaver than air than that all make sense, they grow taller to get out of the c02 and get more air. I use 2 bubbler wands and lava rock in my chamber powered by one of those whisper air pumps that you can run 2 lines out of. I leave it on all the time and i have too much humidity.I think my humidty problem stems fro the fact that i leave a some water in the bottom of my chamber so on this next grow i am just going to take the water out.good luck and let us know how it works out for you


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Re: How much does depth of your casing containers matter? [Re: MOTH]
    #2529140 - 04/05/04 09:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i think the substrate's mass has something to do with fruit size too.


it would be cool if there was some formula we could come up with for the "sweet spot" depth and surface area for a given mass of substrate

maybe its not so easy though, density , water content, pinset, temp, fresh air,timing, contams..too many variables

"\how deep should the casing container be for optimum results?"
for straight wbs...
3"deep WBS aluminum loaf pans work well wiht 1/2 inch 50/50+lime

casing straight grain kinda sucks. it works, but grain is meant to be spawn for bulk straw and poop compost.

get some straw and poo compost for thicker stems.

go with a 3/4 inch casing, compost 4-6 inches deep
50% grain spawn rate

you'll have so many shrooms to dry,they will rot because you don't know what to do with all them.


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