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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
    #25261268 - 06/11/18 10:40 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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You're sharing incompetence.

this with insufficient light making the sativas stretch a bit more > whatever you grow, can go a whole grow and not lose a single leaf to yellowing or browning.





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I'm not sure if you're confused or just can't read.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: El Torcho]
    #25261329 - 06/11/18 11:12 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Hey Lopho welcome!

I'm on my first grow as well, looks like I'm about a month behind you as far as flower time.

Question, if you transplanted outside why are they flowering already? I guess I thought the days start getting shorter around September or something?

Though I've read it's a minimum amount of darkness that cannabis needs to flower (that's why light getting in through holes in tent can disrupt flower, it disrupts darkness), about ten hours or more I've read so summer gives 16 hour days (8hrs dark) I'd expect flowering to start whenever days shrink to 14 and 13hours..

Just curious?

And I'm learning the same on Fox farms, based simply on expense. When u factor in how much they expect you to use per gallon  which is double my General Hydroponics flora trio or whatever I have, so the FF is fonsumes twice as fast plus the GH trio is like $20 vs the $30 for the FF trio.

I literally spent 1.5x the $ to use it 2x as fast.

But Its our first grow. :shrug:

Nothing wrong with using it just consider smarter next time like me. I look forward to seeing your grow

As for the soil vs hydro debate, I think it's interesting, at first glance it would seem hydro would be an obvious choice because the downside to normal soil is that if u saw available nutrition in the soil as a graph, it would spike the day of feeding and taper down until next watering and have a tiny spike because this was water w/o feed so it merely reliqufied the salts and the graph tapers more til next feed

Where hydro could more or less stay pegged at the top of the chart across the whole grow.

But organic soil does intrigue me, it would be actively making nutrition, which if things are in balance right, would have the same graph as hydro (I assume).

However you would save the hydro setup. Which may or may not be that complicated. I don't know. Many are fairly simple like hempy pots.

To a noob like me they both seem like minor hurdles that are more or less equal bc hydro stuff is right up my alley kinda simple and fun, but soil provides a buffer for pH and nutrtion plus it's be fun to have a worm colony for a little while

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I'm digging the fact we have lively convo in here let's get some learn on!

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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25261355 - 06/11/18 11:31 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I think it is because I got the clones on an impulse and didn't have a light timer so they were on 24/7 for a month. Then I moved them outside in the beginning of May so there was a big change in light schedule so it was probably that and/or shock.

I'm not sure if they would try to veg again before flowering is done because they are getting used to living in the sun. I haven't been shading them at 12hrs so they are flowering while the days are still getting longer


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #25261501 - 06/11/18 12:45 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I use earth juice. The whole line, i do add a small amount of FF Grow for instant nitrogen as needed though.

You guys/gals like to do a straight water flush at the end or a solution w some mollases and say epsom salt? This obviously is for those more geared to organic farming, as the mollases wont do much for the plants by themselves. Then again i only grow soil, so maybe it does do something for hydro/soiless too, perhaps if microbes are still being utilized.:shrug: i was under the impression it wouldnt though (feeds the soil microbes, not the plant)

Anyway... to rephrase the above... what is your finishing routine?


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #25261635 - 06/11/18 02:00 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I just throw a bunch of crap on top of the soil and let it break down as the plant grows lol. I just look up what contains what and try to use more of the stuff that it needs.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #25262009 - 06/11/18 05:16 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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I think it is because I got the clones on an impulse and didn't have a light timer so they were on 24/7 for a month. Then I moved them outside in the beginning of May so there was a big change in light schedule so it was probably that and/or shock.

I'm not sure if they would try to veg again before flowering is done because they are getting used to living in the sun. I haven't been shading them at 12hrs so they are flowering while the days are still getting longer



That's very likely that this is what caused them to start flowering, and it's also more than likely that they will reveg imo.
Not necessarily a bad thing if the timing is right though, unintentional monstercropping ftw :smile:


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25262075 - 06/11/18 05:47 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)



any suggestions when to flip to flower? those are new shoots she’s sending out not sure if I should flower now or let it develop those shoots a little more


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mmcc]
    #25262138 - 06/11/18 06:12 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

To one of the above posters the other nutes from the same manufacturer (GH) are far from the same as floranova series. This series is thick and complete one part solution, and its what you want to be paying for, you get what you pay for here.

This has the viscosity of mud almost and is really heavy as to where the other lines are watery.

The floranova line wont need any calmag, or other side support like ph. So basically you can take off those pricetags when compared to the other nutes.

The post directly above mine has some kind of interveinal chlorosis look going on this more than likely due to something with nitrogen (either a ph problem or not being fed enough) it looks like its being revegged or similar. I would recommend vegging that thing until it gets some good growth/canopy instead of looking like twigs before flipping, you could flip now if you really wanted to it does kind of look like you just did a lot of training/clipping. Also, possibly switching ferts, maybe get it back into non interveinal state before flipping atleast.

For flushing I do straight water. Hydro has ease of use here.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mmcc]
    #25262334 - 06/11/18 07:34 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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any suggestions when to flip to flower? those are new shoots she’s sending out not sure if I should flower now or let it develop those shoots a little more



I would work on getting the color a better shade of green before flipping to flower. The color is too light of a green and looks blotchy. How are you feeding her?


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Crispy224]
    #25262378 - 06/11/18 07:53 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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any suggestions when to flip to flower? those are new shoots she’s sending out not sure if I should flower now or let it develop those shoots a little more



I would work on getting the color a better shade of green before flipping to flower. The color is too light of a green and looks blotchy. How are you feeding her?




They got that color cause I wasn’t watering her much before I chopped her down and didn’t realize how bright my light actually is it was getting light burn as well. The new growth is looking green. I just mulch and do “compost teas” that I make using different stuff. Basically wingin it lol. gonna start feeding her every other day now. She’s hella thirst and hungry


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mmcc]
    #25262805 - 06/12/18 02:13 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

That stem purpling looks like it could be a calmag issue from here. It always seems to have some sort of chlorosis (leaf yellowing) accompanying it. Is the purpling on the top of the petioles (leaf stems) only, whereas the underneith is a lighter shade or even straight green? This can be a tell tale sign. Have a lot of your leaves dropped yellow and thats why its so bare? The chlorosis can come on quick w calmag issues. Overly intense lighting, like you said, can work those puppies ragged and zap all available nutrients into thin air. Did you switch it over to a new light recently and then the nutrient deficiencies started? I had a similar issue when i switchd to LED from CFLs. The chicken clawed leaves is another sign of too much light.

Honestly man, i would wait. I dont think its finished bouncing back. Def dont think its the right time to bloom. The plants can sometimes wait until they are ready to bloom, even if placed in a 12/12 setup... but regardless, rolling a little longer w the veg phase/lighing would likely be a wise move.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mmcc]
    #25263091 - 06/12/18 07:31 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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did some pruning. Finally decided to quit veggie-ing






No I legit chopped this plant down lol. It was growing too close to the light and couldn’t put it to flower cause I didn’t have the room for it. The purple stemming I thought was caused by lower temps. will give it time to bounce back seems like the best choice.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mmcc]
    #25263298 - 06/12/18 09:56 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I think a few things can cause purpling.

One is a deficiency I forget which, but I seem to recall that not all purpling is bad. I think it's when the veins on the leaf itself start to purple that it's the deficiency I'm thinking of.

Purpling of stems only, away from leaves, I think is something else :shrug:


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25263513 - 06/12/18 12:19 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

So uhh... Anyone use vaporizers? Not vape pens or oil stuff but herb vaporizers?

I'm developing an unacceptable cough, I've upped the cardio and I have a DBV (da Buddha vape) but I've always kinda been under impressed with it.

Taste? Out of this world. High? Very. Efficiency - I seem to double my consumption, I notice it kinda gets hard to draw, the ground up herb becomes smaller and smaller and all sucks together against the screen restricting airflow instead of burning to Ash and allowing airflow around it.

Also I rarely get huge hits without turning up the heat and burning a little.

Now if I put fresh greens in there and do. Proper long slow inhale it'll be pretty massive and a coughing fit ensues but it's basically a one hitter using a small bowl each time bc if u go a second time it's very roasted tasting and already aight brown herb. 

I think it's inherently wasteful to a degree bc ppl use their ABV all the time for edibles or emergency smoke. So there's thc left for sure and that's why on big  hot rips it's one and done. But it's not cool I'm back to water pipe

Anyone use the one that fills those long vape bags? I think that's what I want. Fill a bag and pass it around.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25263717 - 06/12/18 02:43 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Genetics can play a role too with purple stems, anyone who's grown DJ Short's Blueberry knows that.
But it's more of a striped purple than calmag ime.

@Humble I believe you're talking about the Volcano (the one with bags), if so do not believe you're gonna pass the bags around, there's hardly 4 or 5 draws in a 2 feet bag. You have to constantly refill it. The bowl is pretty big too, so it's not economical.

I also tried to switch to vaping a while back, I have a Mighty by the same company as the volcano. And while it's good I think I just eon't like vaping. The taste is great on the first couple hits but afterwards it's awful. It seems the effect is shorter too and I went through more herb as well. Cleaning it ain't fun either. I'm back to joints...


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25263744 - 06/12/18 03:01 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

The high is very much shorter lived and i find that unacceptable. I'm so glad you said that.

I think it's similar to the reason why it's inherently wasteful different cannabinoids vaporize at different temps, there are some that vaporize at lower temps than most and vaping gets these better than smoking I've read. (Maybe that's why I feel sparkly high during a heavy vape session, diff cannabinoid ratio than Ive ever had)

But there are many that are high temp and are left in your ABV (already been Vaped for those who don't know) and that's why most save their ABV.

Thanks for sharing you have the same experiences i do, so maybe another vape won't fix my problem.

Though i bet I would get stupid high with one of those volcano bags haha

I just looked they're like $200+ from what I'm seeing id love to pick one up used. It would be nice to have a few rips ready instead of one good one before the roasted taste starts.

It's crazy how beautiful and minty fresh goodness it tastes when u don't burn tbe plant matter.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25265394 - 06/13/18 11:05 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone have a good strain to recommend? Or should I say, their top recommendation?

Most of my life I've never known names or been able to trust what I heard was true, unfortunately. Now everything's different.

I've had a few great top tier ones lately like Gelato and Blue Cookies.

But Gorilla Glue is hands down the most potent bud I've ever smoked. In my life I'm pretty sure.

It's fortunate I have two or three half pint jars of diff strains to juggle between, makes them last longer actually I've found, I smoke less because I juggle when I get a little tolerant. And let's me note differences I like nerding out.

Gorilla Glue is in a league of it's on if y'all don't know and are considering options. I didn't know there could be that much difference. Even in appearance, put it next to another and there is definitely a white hue to the green buds. It's wild.

Im very keen to learn of others like this. I've heard Bruce Banner is of the same tier so I'm glad to have that going. Northern lights is an old school one I used to hear about but I dunno if it can compete to today's herb


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25265410 - 06/13/18 11:15 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

If you like gorilla try hindu kush , its even better , hands down best bud ive ever smoked, who grows it has alot to do with quality tho


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Marmie]
    #25265420 - 06/13/18 11:19 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I've heard that, lighting for sure plays a big part in thc content, probably nutrition too.

When it gets legal for me I'd like to send off samples of my grows to labs for analysis. I read about a guy who does that each time he grows it's a little pricey but that may come down in the future.

Hindu Kush. I can't imagine better, this stuff is capable of getting me couch locked scary thoughts if I really chonged it I bet.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25265553 - 06/13/18 12:16 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

This one seed bank has Hindu Kush listed at tops 18% thc and it's only $59/5 seeds vs gorilla glue at 26% thc and $79/5

I notice sometimes there's variances between seed banks in their numbers but if anyone's gonna have reliable numbers it's them, they breed catalog maintain and run these strains.

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Bruce banner is up to 30% :mushroom2: :rasta:

They say there was Bruce banner 1-5 and #3 was the best, chosen at the cannabis cup.

Pretty sure all the seeds I got except maybe the black widow are oast cannabis cup winners. Supposedly banner #3 and gorilla glue #4 that I mentioned earlier are like in the top five strains in the world. You can trace the lineage and at that point it's all top tier stuff. Eady to believe they're in the top ten or twenty with no argument, I don't know if weed like this used to exist honestly.

Speaking of for fellow nerds like me, they say Hindu Kush is a 100% indica which I find interesting. I guess there's a lot of those

Bc they make a big stink about Durban Poison bring the last true sativa left in the world it's a hot commodity right now. Some American marijuana enthusiast spotted this specimen out in Durban Africa in the 70s and brought it home at the height of marinuanas illegality in America and his find is the cultivar for all Durban Poison today.

They've bred all the pure sativas away I guess. I find it interesting


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