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Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit
#25256043 - 06/08/18 12:53 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/06/08/trump-russia-g7_a_23454213/
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Donald Trump injected fresh drama into an already tense meeting of the Group of Seven major industrialized nations Friday, calling for Russia, ousted for its the annexation of Crimea, to be reinstated.
Trump made the comment at the White House Friday after hours of further escalating his rhetoric against longtime allies over U.S. trade practices.
"Why are we having a meeting without Russia in the meeting? Trump said. ''They should let Russia come back in because we should have Russia at the negotiating table."
Solidifying his solo status on the world stage, Trump also lashed out at longtime allies over their criticism of his trade policies and plans an early exit from the G-7 meeting.
Russia was ousted from the elite group in 2014 as punishment for President Vladimir Putin's annexation of Crimea and its support for pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine. In the U.S., special counsel Robert Mueller is investigating whether Trump's campaign colluded with Russia in a bid to sway the 2016 presidential election in his favour.
Trump will arrive Friday at the annual gathering, held this year at a Quebec resort, but will leave Saturday morning before the event is over, heading to Singapore for his highly anticipated summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. The White House announced his travel plans after French President Emmanuel Macron and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau signalled they would use the G7 event to take a stance against new U.S. tariffs on steel and aluminum imports.
"Looking forward to straightening out unfair Trade Deals with the G-7 countries,'' Trump tweeted early Friday. "If it doesn't happen, we come out even better.''
Apparently at least one of the G7 countries is considering kicking trump out instead and having G6
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: musiclover420]
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G-7, G-8, its imperial bullshit either way.
Talk about collusion.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: The Ecstatic]
#25256078 - 06/08/18 01:17 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: G-7, G-8, its imperial bullshit either way.
Talk about collusion.
Well the funny part is it already was G8 just a few years back but Republicans and Democrats agreed Russia should be kicked out for the Crimea BS.
Now we've got the whole Ukraine/Russia situation and Trump wants to invite Russia back 
"No puppet, no puppet, you're the puppet!"
-tRump
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: musiclover420]
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Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Let Russia in, listen to what they have to say. Even though it's going to be lies at least we'll know that what Putin shares with us won't be the scenario that will happen. We won't 100% be left in the dark. We'll have made progress and we'l be 99% in the dark when it comes to Putin and Russia
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Patlal]
#25256166 - 06/08/18 02:02 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Let Russia in, listen to what they have to say. Even though it's going to be lies at least we'll know that what Putin shares with us won't be the scenario that will happen. We won't 100% be left in the dark. We'll have made progress and we'l be 99% in the dark when it comes to Putin and Russia
OK so if North Korea stops cooperating should we just let them in too?
Russia has been up to a lot of shady shit since they got kicked out in the first place, letting them back seems really stupid (as does even asking)
What are your thoughts on this Patlal:
Canada rejects Trump's bid to let Russia back into G7
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Canada is flatly rejecting Donald Trump's suggestion to reinstate Russia in the G7, four years after it was expelled from the group of industrialized nations for annexing Ukraine's Crimea.
Before departing for the G7 summit in Charlevoix, Que., the U.S. president called on the G7 leaders to let Russia back in.
"It may not be politically correct, but we have a world to run. And in the G7, which used to be the G8, they threw Russia out. They should let Russia come back in. Because we should have Russia at the negotiating table," he told reporters.
But Canada, which pushed for Russia to get the boot in 2014, is not onside.
"Our position has not changed," said Adam Austen, a spokesman for Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland.
Former prime minister Stephen Harper said Russia should never be allowed back in the G7 as long as Vladimir Putin is in power.
"Canada would very, very strongly oppose Putin ever sitting around that table again. It would require consensus to bring Russia back and that consensus will just not happen," he said in 2015.
"Russia is more often than not trying deliberately to be a strategic rival, to deliberately counter the good things we're trying to achieve in the world for no other reason than to just counter them."
In April, the Liberal government expelled four Russian diplomats, declaring them unwelcome in the country amid allegations about Moscow's role in the poisoning of a former spy and his daughter.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Patlal]
#25256168 - 06/08/18 02:02 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Trump and Putin are going to Make The World Great Again!
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: qman]
#25256177 - 06/08/18 02:06 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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qman said: Trump and Putin are going to Make The World Great Again! 

They seem only interested in making things great for themselves and their cronies.
In Russia's case if you get in the way you will probably end up dead from "suicide by multiple gunshots to the back of the head" or worse.
Trump seems more the whine and threaten to sue type:
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"I do whine because I want to win and I'm not happy about not winning and I am a whiner and I keep whining and whining until I win,"
-tRump
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: musiclover420]
#25256183 - 06/08/18 02:10 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said:
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Patlal said: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Let Russia in, listen to what they have to say. Even though it's going to be lies at least we'll know that what Putin shares with us won't be the scenario that will happen. We won't 100% be left in the dark. We'll have made progress and we'l be 99% in the dark when it comes to Putin and Russia
OK so if North Korea stops cooperating should we just let them in too?
Russia has been up to a lot of shady shit since they got kicked out in the first place, letting them back seems really stupid (as does even asking)
What are your thoughts on this Patlal:
Canada rejects Trump's bid to let Russia back into G7
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Canada is flatly rejecting Donald Trump's suggestion to reinstate Russia in the G7, four years after it was expelled from the group of industrialized nations for annexing Ukraine's Crimea.
Before departing for the G7 summit in Charlevoix, Que., the U.S. president called on the G7 leaders to let Russia back in.
"It may not be politically correct, but we have a world to run. And in the G7, which used to be the G8, they threw Russia out. They should let Russia come back in. Because we should have Russia at the negotiating table," he told reporters.
But Canada, which pushed for Russia to get the boot in 2014, is not onside.
"Our position has not changed," said Adam Austen, a spokesman for Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland.
Former prime minister Stephen Harper said Russia should never be allowed back in the G7 as long as Vladimir Putin is in power.
"Canada would very, very strongly oppose Putin ever sitting around that table again. It would require consensus to bring Russia back and that consensus will just not happen," he said in 2015.
"Russia is more often than not trying deliberately to be a strategic rival, to deliberately counter the good things we're trying to achieve in the world for no other reason than to just counter them."
In April, the Liberal government expelled four Russian diplomats, declaring them unwelcome in the country amid allegations about Moscow's role in the poisoning of a former spy and his daughter.

Nobody spoke to NK for years. They managed to get nukes. Suddenly somebody decided to talk to them and now they are denuclearizing. Communication is the best form of, well, communication lol
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Patlal]
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Russia's economy is pathetic. Not even in the top 10.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Patlal]
#25256202 - 06/08/18 02:18 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Patlal said:
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musiclover420 said:
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Patlal said: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Let Russia in, listen to what they have to say. Even though it's going to be lies at least we'll know that what Putin shares with us won't be the scenario that will happen. We won't 100% be left in the dark. We'll have made progress and we'l be 99% in the dark when it comes to Putin and Russia
OK so if North Korea stops cooperating should we just let them in too?
Russia has been up to a lot of shady shit since they got kicked out in the first place, letting them back seems really stupid (as does even asking)
What are your thoughts on this Patlal:
Canada rejects Trump's bid to let Russia back into G7
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Canada is flatly rejecting Donald Trump's suggestion to reinstate Russia in the G7, four years after it was expelled from the group of industrialized nations for annexing Ukraine's Crimea.
Before departing for the G7 summit in Charlevoix, Que., the U.S. president called on the G7 leaders to let Russia back in.
"It may not be politically correct, but we have a world to run. And in the G7, which used to be the G8, they threw Russia out. They should let Russia come back in. Because we should have Russia at the negotiating table," he told reporters.
But Canada, which pushed for Russia to get the boot in 2014, is not onside.
"Our position has not changed," said Adam Austen, a spokesman for Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland.
Former prime minister Stephen Harper said Russia should never be allowed back in the G7 as long as Vladimir Putin is in power.
"Canada would very, very strongly oppose Putin ever sitting around that table again. It would require consensus to bring Russia back and that consensus will just not happen," he said in 2015.
"Russia is more often than not trying deliberately to be a strategic rival, to deliberately counter the good things we're trying to achieve in the world for no other reason than to just counter them."
In April, the Liberal government expelled four Russian diplomats, declaring them unwelcome in the country amid allegations about Moscow's role in the poisoning of a former spy and his daughter.

Nobody spoke to NK for years. They managed to get nukes. Suddenly somebody decided to talk to them and now they are denuclearizing. Communication is the best form of, well, communication lol
They aren't denuclearizing. Get serious
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: musiclover420] 1
#25256217 - 06/08/18 02:26 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: G-7, G-8, its imperial bullshit either way.
Talk about collusion.
Well the funny part is it already was G8 just a few years back but Republicans and Democrats agreed Russia should be kicked out for the Crimea BS.
Now we've got the whole Ukraine/Russia situation and Trump wants to invite Russia back 
"No puppet, no puppet, you're the puppet!"
-tRump
Right.
We can't let ethnic Russians democratically decide they want to be part of Russia.
As if the G-7 arent rigging elections, funding insurgencies, and shuffling borders around constantly.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: The Ecstatic]
#25256237 - 06/08/18 02:38 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nobody spoke to NK for years. They managed to get nukes. Suddenly somebody decided to talk to them and now they are denuclearizing. Communication is the best form of, well, communication lol
Maybe 5-10 years, there have been many other peace talks over the decades though. Also they haven't denuked yet so don't go giving trump credit already, he still has plenty of time to screw things up assuming NK planned on following through in the first place...
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The Ecstatic said:
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musiclover420 said:
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The Ecstatic said: G-7, G-8, its imperial bullshit either way.
Talk about collusion.
Well the funny part is it already was G8 just a few years back but Republicans and Democrats agreed Russia should be kicked out for the Crimea BS.
Now we've got the whole Ukraine/Russia situation and Trump wants to invite Russia back 
"No puppet, no puppet, you're the puppet!"
-tRump
Right.
We can't let ethnic Russians democratically decide they want to be part of Russia.
As if the G-7 arent rigging elections, funding insurgencies, and shuffling borders around constantly.
Yeah "democratically" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_intervention_in_Ukraine_(2014–present)
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In February 2014, Russia made several military incursions into Ukrainian territory. After Euromaidan protests and the fall of Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, Russian soldiers without insignias took control of strategic positions and infrastructure within the Ukrainian territory of Crimea. Russia then annexed Crimea after a referendum in which Crimeans allegedly voted to join the Russian Federation, according to official results.[8][62][63][64][65] In April, demonstrations by pro-Russian groups in the Donbass area of Ukraine escalated into an armed conflict between the Ukrainian government and the Russia-backed separatist forces of the self-declared Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics. In August, Russian military vehicles crossed the border in several locations of Donetsk Oblast.[27][66][67][68][69] The incursion by the Russian military was seen as responsible for the defeat of Ukrainian forces in early September.
Would be interesting to know how legit that vote was though, either way seems like a land grab from Russia
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: musiclover420]
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Music, why am I not surprised you ate up that bs propaganda like it was your favorite cake? I read it and when I got to the part where it showed what trump actually said, it had little to no relation to the vitriol in the article. I laughed and shook my head, typical msm crap. His comments were not hostile at all, they were reasonable.
Explain to me how they were hostile or how we should let them tax our exports at higher rates than we tax theirs? I want to hear you defend that if you can
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: musiclover420]
#25256787 - 06/08/18 07:32 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just like how Trump doesn't collude with Russia, but literally everything Trump does helps Russia achieve longstanding policy goals.
Dismantle NATO? Trump is working on it.
Drive a wedge between the western allies? Got it.
Protectionist trade aimed at allies only? Check.
Racial and social tensions across the US? Double check.
Shut one of Russia's oil competitors out of the picture? Of course!
Legally mandated sanctions courtesy of congress? What sanctions? Trump doesn't sanction people that aren't allies!
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Stonehenge]
#25256789 - 06/08/18 07:32 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Music, why am I not surprised you ate up that bs propaganda like it was your favorite cake? I read it and when I got to the part where it showed what trump actually said, it had little to no relation to the vitriol in the article. I laughed and shook my head, typical msm crap. His comments were not hostile at all, they were reasonable.
Explain to me how they were hostile or how we should let them tax our exports at higher rates than we tax theirs? I want to hear you defend that if you can
We should ban imports and exports. That will fix everything.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Kryptos]
#25257008 - 06/08/18 09:37 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Italy supports it. Are they in bed with Russia as well?
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: MagicMush123]
#25257037 - 06/08/18 09:52 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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>Italy supports it. Are they in bed with Russia as well?
No because the extreme left does not hate italy
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Stonehenge] 1
#25257056 - 06/08/18 10:10 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >Italy supports it. Are they in bed with Russia as well?
No because the extreme left does not hate italy
Trump supports it= hes in bed with putin #Russian collusion
Italy supports it= nothing
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: The Ecstatic]
#25257510 - 06/09/18 07:44 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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musiclover420 said:
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The Ecstatic said: G-7, G-8, its imperial bullshit either way.
Talk about collusion.
Well the funny part is it already was G8 just a few years back but Republicans and Democrats agreed Russia should be kicked out for the Crimea BS.
Now we've got the whole Ukraine/Russia situation and Trump wants to invite Russia back 
"No puppet, no puppet, you're the puppet!"
-tRump
Right.
We can't let ethnic Russians democratically decide they want to be part of Russia.
As if the G-7 arent rigging elections, funding insurgencies, and shuffling borders around constantly.
Yeah "democratically" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_intervention_in_Ukraine_(2014–present)
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In February 2014, Russia made several military incursions into Ukrainian territory. After Euromaidan protests and the fall of Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, Russian soldiers without insignias took control of strategic positions and infrastructure within the Ukrainian territory of Crimea. Russia then annexed Crimea after a referendum in which Crimeans allegedly voted to join the Russian Federation, according to official results.[8][62][63][64][65] In April, demonstrations by pro-Russian groups in the Donbass area of Ukraine escalated into an armed conflict between the Ukrainian government and the Russia-backed separatist forces of the self-declared Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics. In August, Russian military vehicles crossed the border in several locations of Donetsk Oblast.[27][66][67][68][69] The incursion by the Russian military was seen as responsible for the defeat of Ukrainian forces in early September.
Would be interesting to know how legit that vote was though, either way seems like a land grab from Russia 
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: The Ecstatic]
#25257591 - 06/09/18 08:57 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I can see both sides, but ultimately I see no real value in Russia going to the G7, I barely see any value in the G7 itself.
Russia does not fit the G7 purpose and really the G7 does not fit the global purpose for which it was started.
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