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No there wasn't.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: koods]
#25262045 - 06/11/18 05:33 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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There wasn't a coup in Ukraine that the US supported?
No there wasn't.
Do you have evidence the US opposed the coup?
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: koods] 1
#25262553 - 06/11/18 10:08 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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German Chancellor Angela Merkel said she favors a U.S.-Russian summit, seeking to point global diplomacy forward after a tumultuous meeting of Group of Seven leaders.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-10/merkel-says-trump-reneging-on-g-7-statement-is-depressing
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: starfire_xes]
#25263316 - 06/12/18 10:06 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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merkle is a dumb cunt and is leading her nation to ruin
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Stonehenge]
#25278926 - 06/19/18 02:16 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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There wasn't a coup in Ukraine that the US supported?
No there wasn't.
U.S. Military Involvement In Ukraine: NATO Expansion Through Proxy War
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Although the U.S. State Department’s direct role in stoking the Maidan conflagration and toppling a democratically elected president is widely accepted as part of the historical record of the political and civil upheaval in Ukraine, little is reported about the initial and ever evolving U.S. military presence in the country. Former Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland’s intercepted phone calls and former U.S. President Barrack Obama’s public admission of the U.S. government’s $5 billion investment in funding fundamentally altering Ukraine’s political, economic and cultural alignment in the world received coverage, even by western main stream media. What has not received extensive media scrutiny is the involvement of the U.S. military and CIA very early on, and increasingly since the civil strife in the country began.
Setting aside the wealth of research suggesting the presence of western-trained snipers on the Maidan that fateful February 20th, 2014, the then Director of the CIA John Brennan’s visit to the new coup leadership just two months later in mid-April was a sign to the world that the U.S. clandestine intelligence services were fully involved in the unfolding drama. U.S. intelligence gathering aid was apparently on offer, yet soon proved to be of little help to the hapless Ukrainian defense establishment. The declaration by the Kiev government of an Anti-Terrorist Operation was a clear sign that the United States was behind the attempt to militarily confront the growing opposition in the eastern regions of Donetsk and Lugansk. Anyone refusing to acknowledge the legitimacy of the coup government would be labelled a terrorist.
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It's a very interesting read by a former officer in the US Navy.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25280989 - 06/20/18 12:53 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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The invasion of Ukraine and Annexation of Crimea was ILLEGAL. There's no 2 ways to see that one.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#25282184 - 06/20/18 10:21 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can you prove there was an "invasion"??? The annexation was certainly no more illegal than the US orchestrated coup.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25282194 - 06/20/18 10:26 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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It was much more illegal. But equally as bad.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: The Ecstatic]
#25282259 - 06/20/18 10:58 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are you aware of a law that states you can't vote to separate after your democratically elected president is removed by force through a coup d'état? 
I'm pretty sure a coup d'état's wasn't authorized under the Ukrainian constitution.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25282588 - 06/21/18 06:20 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm saying its a lot harder to prove the US subverted and guided Ukrainian democracy into a revolt than it is so take pictures of Russian tanks in Donetsk.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: The Ecstatic]
#25283250 - 06/21/18 12:29 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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First of all, Russian tanks in Donetsk has nothing to do the Crimean vote to rejoin Russia.
Second, the Russian tanks in Ukraine story is actually very highly suspect, so I don't agree with your premise. On the other hand, it's easy to prove the US guided Ukraine into a revolt. Just read the post I made a few threads up.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25283313 - 06/21/18 12:59 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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By prove I mean in a court of law. Or at the UN.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: The Ecstatic]
#25283381 - 06/21/18 01:44 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, that's exactly what I mean.
Did you not read my link about Victoria Nuland’s intercepted phone calls and Obama’s admission of a $5 billion US investment to alter Ukraine’s political, economic and cultural alignment? Or the article casting very serious doubt on the reports of Russian tanks in Ukraine?
Of course, this will never go to a court of law, unfortunately.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25283776 - 06/21/18 05:11 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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This was 2 days ago: Ukraine's Joint forces find evidence of Russian Military presence in Donbas. https://www.unian.info/war/10157570-ukraine-s-joint-forces-show-new-evidence-of-russian-military-presence-in-donbas-photo.html
Ukraine's Joint Forces Operation (JFO) Command has showed another evidence of Russian military presence in Donbas. The JFO headquarters posted on Facebook a photo of a soldier of the Russian armed forces, which was made on one of the wind turbines of the Novoazovsk-based wind power plant on June 13, 2013. "...This is confirmed by guiding landmarks: No. 1 – wind generator; No. 2 – wind generator; No. 3 – windbreaker bend; No. 4 – windbreaker bend," the headquarters wrote. Photo from JFO headquarters The photo depicts a complex of radio-electronic reconnaissance means (two Soviet-made circular aerials and two solar batteries). Read also Situation in Azov Sea may escalate amid expansion of Russia's military presence – Turchynov "Presumably, the complex is used for audio interception, and radio direction finding of stations operating in the shortwave frequency range from 3 MHz to 30 MHz.
In addition, a man in Russian military uniform is standing near the antenna. He is probably a representative of one of the operational-combat support units or a military adviser, an instructor of Russia's armed forces," the report says. The author of the photo is most likely not a local resident, as indicated by his age (most of local "fighters" are of more advanced age).
Moreover, the actions of local militants are strictly controlled for photographs that unmask positions and military equipment. They are not admitted to the electronic warfare equipment as well. "But this person on the photo is standing near secret radio electronic equipment and is free to take photographs, exposing the location of the electronic warfare equipment," the headquarters added. Ukraine reports 2 WIA's amid 28 enemy attacks 09:39, 19 June 2018 WAR 1762 0 According to intelligence reports, one enemy armored combat vehicle and a GAZ-66 truck were destroyed. Photo from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Russia's hybrid military forces mounted 28 attacks on Ukrainian army positions in Donbas in the past 24 hours, with two Ukrainian soldiers reported as wounded in action (WIA). "Two Ukrainian soldiers were wounded during the fighting with the use of small arms and grenade launchers near the town of Avdiyivka and the village of Opytne, which are in the Donetsk sector," the press center of Ukraine's Joint Forces Operation said in an update on Facebook as of 07:00 Kyiv time on June 19, 2018. Read also Maiorsk checkpoint in Donbas resumes work – JFO HQ Active hostilities continued in the Luhansk sector, where the Russian occupation forces resorted to provocations near the village of Novotoshkivske, as well as near the village of Verkhniotoretske, which is in the Horlivka sector. Fighting continues in the Mariupol sector, near the villages of Starohnativka, Chermalyk and Lebedynske, where the use of mortars by the occupiers endangered civilians. "According to intelligence reports, one enemy armored combat vehicle and a GAZ-66 truck were destroyed, and five occupiers were wounded as a result of concerted actions by the units of the Joint Forces," the report says. The night passed without aggravation of the situation. The enemy violated the ceasefire four times without using heavy weapons. There were no casualties among the Ukrainian defenders.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#25283786 - 06/21/18 05:17 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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The civilians left in Crimea probably do love Russia and its occupation that is the only reason they aren't dead too. Kiev was the true invasion and it was very strategically important to Putin. That's why they were able to take Crimea easily without many shots because there was almost no one left from the battles of Kiev. The Nazis took France without many shots either. That doesn't mean the French liked them being there but if you talked to a frenchman in Nazi occupied France they'd probably sing Nazi praises to stay alive.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#25284182 - 06/21/18 08:41 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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This was 2 days ago: Ukraine's Joint forces find evidence of Russian Military presence in Donbas.
What I said is there was no "invasion" of Ukraine. It's certainly possible that Russia is helping Eastern Ukrainians defend themselves from the killings there of Russian speaking people. If Russia had invaded, the war would have been over years ago.
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The civilians left in Crimea probably do love Russia and its occupation that is the only reason they aren't dead too.
Yes, they do love Russia. I know this becuase I visited Crimea last summer.
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Kiev was the true invasion and it was very strategically important to Putin. That's why they were able to take Crimea easily without many shots because there was almost no one left from the battles of Kiev.
And now we're back to this post:
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Can you prove there was an "invasion"???
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The Nazis took France without many shots either. That doesn't mean the French liked them being there but if you talked to a frenchman in Nazi occupied France they'd probably sing Nazi praises to stay alive.
Probably true about France, but 90%+ of the French didn't vote to be ruled by Hitler. I spoke with the locals in Crimea, and they LOVE being under Russia.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25284374 - 06/21/18 11:00 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Did you talk to anyone who fought/sympathized with those that wanted a free Ukraine? Did you talk with the Ukrainian Nationalists or just Russian Nationalists sympathizers? Also i'd ask why do they like the Russian occupation? What e exactly are they doing that's so great?
Btw Here's different sources of proof you'll probably find a way to ignore.
Nato reports detailed with pictures and satellite imagery:
https://newrepublic.com/article/119260/russias-invasion-ukraine-evidence-convincing-putin-denies
https://conflictreport.info/2015/01/23/hard-evidence-the-regular-russian-army-invades-ukraine/
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#25284386 - 06/21/18 11:18 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, they do love Russia. I know this becuase I visited Crimea last summer.
You realize in cases like that people often get killed for speaking out against fascist regimes right? Russia is also a master of propaganda. Either way that is a ridiculous statement.
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Did you talk to anyone who fought/sympathized with those that wanted a free Ukraine? Did you talk with the Ukrainian Nationalists or just Russian Nationalists sympathizers? Also i'd ask why do they like the Russian occupation? What e exactly are they doing that's so great?
Btw Here's different sources of proof you'll probably find a way to ignore.
Nato reports detailed with pictures and satellite imagery:
https://newrepublic.com/article/119260/russias-invasion-ukraine-evidence-convincing-putin-denies
https://conflictreport.info/2015/01/23/hard-evidence-the-regular-russian-army-invades-ukraine/
He was a stranger anyways, even if he had asked those people I wonder how many would actually be honest and how many would wonder if Falcon is a russian informant or something...
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#25284467 - 06/22/18 01:19 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Did you talk to anyone who fought/sympathized with those that wanted a free Ukraine?
Ummm, Ukraine IS free. No one fought the Soviets to free Ukraine as there was never a Soviet invasion. 
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Did you talk with the Ukrainian Nationalists or just Russian Nationalists sympathizers? Also i'd ask why do they like the Russian occupation? What e exactly are they doing that's so great?
I spoke with everyone I could. I went out of my way to find Ukrainian sympathizers. I wrote about it here. Crimeans like Russia for two reasons.
1. Most Crimeans are ethnic Russians as Crimea was historically a Russian territory except during a relatively short period under the Soviet Union.
2. Russia is investing in Crimea, and the economy is doing extremely well compared to Ukraine.
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Btw Here's different sources of proof you'll probably find a way to ignore.
I ignored nothing. Again, I even went of my way to find people who sided with Ukraine, and I wrote about the other side here. The Tatars were the primary group who sided with Ukraine (Tatars are the native Muslim population of Crimea)
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Nato reports detailed with pictures and satellite imagery:
https://newrepublic.com/article/119260/russias-invasion-ukraine-evidence-convincing-putin-denies
https://conflictreport.info/2015/01/23/hard-evidence-the-regular-russian-army-invades-ukraine/
Yes, I posted an article about that here.
Just use a little common sense. If Russia invaded Ukraine, don't you think a lot more people would have been killed?
Let's look at the total numbers:
Euromaidan - "During the events of the Euromaidan protests in Kiev from 21 November 2013 through 23 February 2014, a total of 110–123 protesters and 18 police officers were killed in street clashes"
Crimean crisis - "During the Russian annexation of Crimea from 23 February through 19 March 2014, six people were killed."
Odessa clashes - "Between 26 January and 27 December 2014, sporadic clashes occurred in the city of Odessa. The deadliest of these were the 2 May 2014 Odessa clashes when 48 protesters were killed[13] (46 pro-Russian and 2 pro-Ukrainian)."
War in Donbass - "The overall number of documented deaths in the War in Donbass, which started on 6 April 2014, has been put at 10,303"
Yes, the civil was in Donbass has been deadly, which started after Crimea had left Ukraine. That's where Russia may now possibly be helping Russian speaking citizens from getting slaughtered.
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Re: Donald Trump Calls For Russia To Be Let Back Into The G8 Ahead Of G7 Summit [Re: musiclover420]
#25284515 - 06/22/18 02:39 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, they do love Russia. I know this becuase I visited Crimea last summer.
You realize in cases like that people often get killed for speaking out against fascist regimes right? Russia is also a master of propaganda. Either way that is a ridiculous statement.
Either you just made that up, or the US is FAR better at propaganda than Russia. Either way, your assertion is ridiculous.
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He was a stranger anyways, even if he had asked those people I wonder how many would actually be honest and how many would wonder if Falcon is a russian informant or something...
These people were very eager to talk to me. It was clear to me that none of them felt endangered by speaking their minds. The fact that you believe what you do is strong evidence America has the best propaganda by far. Go visit Russia or Crimea yourself now that they're a free capitalist country if you don't want to be terribly ignorant.
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