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Re: Poker [Re: Patlal]
#25257805 - 06/09/18 11:28 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't be so defensive, we are trying to help you. But you clearly have your mind made up and even if the best players in the world told you the same thing you will not listen. We learned from the best, read the books. You should read a few because when those soft games get tough you will have to quit or accept a much lower rate of return, if you even play any more. It might have happened already, lol
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Patlal
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Stonehenge said: Don't be so defensive, we are trying to help you. But you clearly have your mind made up and even if the best players in the world told you the same thing you will not listen. We learned from the best, read the books. You should read a few because when those soft games get tough you will have to quit or accept a much lower rate of return, if you even play any more. It might have happened already, lol
You been on this website long enough to know that I read on everything I do. Gus Hansen, Negreanu, Bronson, some other guy who's name I don't remember, I've read all of that. I have (had) memorized all the stats, I was watching the pros play, watching WSOP etc.
I used to be very well versed in terms of poker and I was making significant profits to sustain myself without working.
Do you know what the dumbest shit I did with poker?
I stopped playing for god damn minimum salary job my mother insisted I take. I quit it 8 months later due to the typical me being on the verge of getting fired for insubordination. A reccuring aspect of my life lol. Then I went back only to realize that I had lost the momentum. I still had some school to pay, I could'nt afford losing a grand just to get back in the game...
The game evolved for sure. I'm going to the casino tomorrow. Because of this fucking thread lol.
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Re: Poker [Re: Patlal]
#25257983 - 06/09/18 01:14 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good luck at the casino, it may be that the games just got tougher with the soft players tapping out and tough players taking their place. Thats why you need every edge you can get. Percentages are important but quitting when you are on a roll or bringing a short stack which makes you play timidly will cost you. To say nothing of walking away from pocket aa, lol.
Def a bad move letting your mom talk you into that min wage job when you were doing well at poker. When you go back you may find your rate of return is too low to justify playing except for entertainment. When you play for income the entertainment value goes way down and if you play for fun you lose more.
The no limit games are the best, imo. A small game might be .02 .04, .05 .10 blinds and you can win good money without having to ante a lot per round. The .25 .50 blinds can be expensive let alone higher cause your $100 will go into the first pot you are serious about. Lots more moves in nl plus you can actually bluff unlike 1 2 limit
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Patlal
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Stonehenge said: Good luck at the casino, it may be that the games just got tougher with the soft players tapping out and tough players taking their place. Thats why you need every edge you can get. Percentages are important but quitting when you are on a roll or bringing a short stack which makes you play timidly will cost you. To say nothing of walking away from pocket aa, lol.
Def a bad move letting your mom talk you into that min wage job when you were doing well at poker. When you go back you may find your rate of return is too low to justify playing except for entertainment. When you play for income the entertainment value goes way down and if you play for fun you lose more.
The no limit games are the best, imo. A small game might be .02 .04, .05 .10 blinds and you can win good money without having to ante a lot per round. The .25 .50 blinds can be expensive let alone higher cause your $100 will go into the first pot you are serious about. Lots more moves in nl plus you can actually bluff unlike 1 2 limit
I absolutely cannot make a profit playing online poker. It's so incredibly different than live poker. I never manage to make a dime online. lol
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Re: Poker [Re: Patlal]
#25258070 - 06/09/18 02:16 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Don't be so defensive, we are trying to help you. But you clearly have your mind made up and even if the best players in the world told you the same thing you will not listen. We learned from the best, read the books. You should read a few because when those soft games get tough you will have to quit or accept a much lower rate of return, if you even play any more. It might have happened already, lol
You been on this website long enough to know that I read on everything I do. Gus Hansen, Negreanu, Bronson, some other guy who's name I don't remember, I've read all of that. I have (had) memorized all the stats, I was watching the pros play, watching WSOP etc.
This is all useless and outdated info. The game has changed. Your average player now is better than most pros even 5 years ago.
Heres some recommended books. They are more like textbooks tho.
Applications of No Limit Hold-em - Mathew Janda The Grinders Manual - Peter Clarke.
IT might help to read up on the 2+2 forums and post hand histories to find holes in your game. Its a much different game then it was 10 years ago.
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Re: Poker [Re: Patlal]
#25259916 - 06/10/18 03:23 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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So, did you go to that casino like you said you would or did you go "cluck cluck"?
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Patlal
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Stonehenge said: So, did you go to that casino like you said you would or did you go "cluck cluck"?
I just came back. Made $320.
I'm making a thread about it cause something interesting happened. Keep an eye out for it.
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Re: Poker [Re: Patlal]
#25260070 - 06/10/18 05:20 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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good for you, you didn't jump up and run when you were 300 ahead? Probably didn't notice or won a big pot which put you over, lol. The thing is when that happens it means probably you lucked into a weak table and are playing well. Being tired, distracted, feeling off, can weaken your game a lot and you may not notice it. If you feel well, are concentrating and beating the game why leave? I would play until I got tired.
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Patlal
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Stonehenge said: good for you, you didn't jump up and run when you were 300 ahead? Probably didn't notice or won a big pot which put you over, lol. The thing is when that happens it means probably you lucked into a weak table and are playing well. Being tired, distracted, feeling off, can weaken your game a lot and you may not notice it. If you feel well, are concentrating and beating the game why leave? I would play until I got tired.
Oh trust me, the table was not weak. Most of the players there know each other by name. It's all a group of regulars. The ones that survived the test of time. I had 3 solid hand in a 3 hour session and I managed to make the most of of them.
First win came with QQ vs a known bluffer. I pulled a solid 100$ of of him
Second hand came with 55, flopped 10-5-10. The other guy had a 10. He was overconfident, I manage to pulled in a solid 200$ from him. The third I made like 40$. I should have gotten up and left with 340 in profit. But no. I stayed. I was 20$ in preflop with 10-10. Two players went all in for 120$ each. I folded. I stayed to see the hand play out, I would have lost. Then I left.
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Re: Poker [Re: Patlal]
#25260210 - 06/10/18 06:50 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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what was the limit? what was your buy in?
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Stonehenge said: what was the limit? what was your buy in?
I actually followed your advice.
I bought in with 150 in a 250 limit game. The chip leader had 1700ish and short stack had 120ish. I was 8th from the get go. It was a very aggressive table. 1/2 table, $35 bets on the turn with $100 raise to see the river. That happened once every 4 to 5 hands. It wasn't a boring table.
Plus that racist showdown that happened....
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Re: Poker [Re: Patlal]
#25260236 - 06/10/18 07:09 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you had short stacked yourself you would not have been able to win as much. Plus it affects your style when you know you are short. So it was 1-2 blinds no limit? That is a big game, even 150 is very little. Flopping a house with a sucker in there who couldn't get away is pretty lucky. Folding 10 10 when there is that much action is probably a good move.
Do you plan to go regularly?
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Patlal
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Stonehenge said: If you had short stacked yourself you would not have been able to win as much. Plus it affects your style when you know you are short. So it was 1-2 blinds no limit? That is a big game, even 150 is very little. Flopping a house with a sucker in there who couldn't get away is pretty lucky. Folding 10 10 when there is that much action is probably a good move.
Do you plan to go regularly?
I played from November to February of this year and lost $300 in 29 days played. I lost it over 100 hours of playtime. I might consider it again.
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Re: Poker [Re: Patlal]
#25260269 - 06/10/18 07:35 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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was it no limit this game you were just in?
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Patlal
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Stonehenge said: was it no limit this game you were just in?
... of course ....
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Re: Poker [Re: Patlal]
#25260290 - 06/10/18 07:50 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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You won back what they ground you down for in a month in one short session. Thats the nice thing about nl, you can sit and trap people. Just throw a bluff out now and then, you will get caught eventually and they will remember that and call you next time.
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Patlal
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I just had anyther profitable day at the casino, $110.
Not that much, but a hundred bucks is a hundred buck.
I think I might go more regularly...
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Re: Poker [Re: Patlal]
#25274713 - 06/17/18 03:15 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Patlal said: I just had anyther profitable day at the casino, $110.
Not that much, but a hundred bucks is a hundred buck.
I think I might go more regularly...
That's how they get ya
Same with the lottery, "ooh I won a bit, think I'll buy more lotto tickets"
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Patlal
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Patlal said: I just had anyther profitable day at the casino, $110.
Not that much, but a hundred bucks is a hundred buck.
I think I might go more regularly...
That's how they get ya
Same with the lottery, "ooh I won a bit, think I'll buy more lotto tickets"
I've been there 31 times in the last year. I'm under roughly 200$. That's mean i'm just average. I manage to almost break even. That's a good sign for me. Much better than being down $3000.
If I have the discipline to break even in the long run, that means I have the safety cushion needed to improve my play.
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Re: Poker [Re: Patlal]
#25274901 - 06/17/18 04:56 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Love 5 card. Don’t love Texas hold ‘em
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