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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: koods]
    #27394477 - 07/19/21 10:07 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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He considers an election held by Russia in the part of the Ukraine they had invaded less than two weeks earlier a legitimate exercise of democracy.

He holds Russia to a totally different standard



And you consider a US backed coup a legitimate exercise of democracy?  :flowstone:

Russia didn't invade Crimea.  They already had troops there per an existing agreement with Ukraine, and every citizen I spoke there with from BOTH sides said the Crimean election seemed legitimate, well attended, with no pressure (or visibility) on their votes.


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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27394682 - 07/20/21 05:26 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Oh yeah? Did you go out and talk to Crimean Tartars yourself?

"As the plebiscite was proclaimed, the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People had called for a boycott of the referendum. The Mejlis Deputy Chairman, Akhtem Chiygoz, felt that the actual turnout could not have exceeded 30–40 percent, arguing that to be the normal turnout for votes in the region"

Oh and what a surprise - now the most vocal Tartar opponents have been banned and harassed by Russia ever since their takeover.


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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: twighead]
    #27394725 - 07/20/21 06:51 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

He'll say yes, and that every single one expressed satisfaction with their situation - but he doesn't seem to be aware that the dozen or so Crimean Tartars who felt comfortable talking openly to a random tourist is self-selecting for Crimean Tartars who are also comfortable with the Russian occupation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participation_bias


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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27394783 - 07/20/21 08:05 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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The information being shared, and it’s validity, is not what’s in question. The consequences of that information being amplified above other information in an attempt to mold the narrative, that’s why people like Jeff Bezos buy a money pit like the Washington Post. The way the information is transmitted is far more important than the information itself. You know this, you saw how elegantly the discourse around Wikileaks went from “should the US be doing war crimes” to “Assange is a Putin ally, and rapist.”



I completely agree.  But do you have any evidence that Wikileaks was withholding significant information about Trump?  As I've said before, any dirt on Trump would be easy to get out - you wouldn't need to go through Wikileaks - you can just go to MSNBC.

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Choosing to not publish the RNC emails on the basis of “it was not (or less) interesting” isn’t a very good justification for an organization ostensibly dedicated to the liberation of information to withhold emails of the political machine propelling Trump to the most powerful office in the world. Now I’m not gonna sit here and act like Julian Assange made Hillary Clinton lose the election because she did that herself, but simply releasing the RNC leaks would’ve removed any doubt.



Fair enough, and I don't disagree, but you previously argued Wikileaks shouldn't be releasing people's dinner plans.  Are you changing your mind about that?




I don’t think I said they shouldn’t be releasing people’s dinner plans, I said that releasing said dinner plans is proof they aren’t all that concerned with editorializing, or selectively publishing. I mean, they released over 250,000 diplomatic cables from the embassy leaks. I think they should release everything they get.


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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: twighead]
    #27394913 - 07/20/21 10:19 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Oh yeah? Did you go out and talk to Crimean Tartars yourself?



Yes I did, and I even wrote about it here.

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"As the plebiscite was proclaimed, the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People had called for a boycott of the referendum.



I'm not debating that.  The Mejlis are the Tatar leadership who have been working with the West to destabilize Crimea and to attempt to get it back to Ukraine.

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The Mejlis Deputy Chairman, Akhtem Chiygoz, felt that the actual turnout could not have exceeded 30–40 percent, arguing that to be the normal turnout for votes in the region"



Of course someone who was opposed to reintegration with Russia is going to say what the opposition wants to hear.  The Tatars who I spoke with said otherwise.

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Oh and what a surprise - now the most vocal Tartar opponents have been banned and harassed by Russia ever since their takeover.



You mean the Mejlis, who are working with Ukraine and the West to try and destabilize Crimea and return it to Ukraine?  I don't blame Russia for banning them.  They stopped trucks carrying food from Ukraine, and they even blew up several pylons of the power mains that supplied electricity to the peninsula, causing power outages.

Perhaps you think that kind of behavior should be allowed, but I can understand why they would be banned.


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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27394917 - 07/20/21 10:24 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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He'll say yes, and that every single one expressed satisfaction with their situation



Why don't you reread the thread I linked to in my last post instead of make believing things about me?

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- but he doesn't seem to be aware that the dozen or so Crimean Tartars who felt comfortable talking openly to a random tourist is self-selecting for Crimean Tartars who are also comfortable with the Russian occupation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participation_bias



Those links don't say that the people most to opposed Russia are the ones who are afraid to talk about it; that's more make believe on your part.  In fact, the people I spoke with were very anti-Russian, as I described in the thread I linked to above.


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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27394924 - 07/20/21 10:30 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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I don’t think I said they shouldn’t be releasing people’s dinner plans, I said that releasing said dinner plans is proof they aren’t all that concerned with editorializing, or selectively publishing.



Did you not see why the Podesta spirit dinner plans might be interesting?


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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27394999 - 07/20/21 11:32 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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He'll say yes, and that every single one expressed satisfaction with their situation - but he doesn't seem to be aware that the dozen or so Crimean Tartars who felt comfortable talking openly to a random tourist is self-selecting for Crimean Tartars who are also comfortable with the Russian occupation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participation_bias




Other than the fact that the tatars in Crimea are a minority - representing no more than a small percentage of the local population - do you really believe that it would have been better for Crimeans to live under the boot of a Nazi puppet government that took power via illegal coup thanks to the Obama admin.?

Because you'd have to be pretty fucking crazy to believe that.

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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27395003 - 07/20/21 11:35 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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I don’t think I said they shouldn’t be releasing people’s dinner plans, I said that releasing said dinner plans is proof they aren’t all that concerned with editorializing, or selectively publishing.



Did you not see why the Podesta spirit dinner plans might be interesting?




I thought Wikileaks was about exposing government corruption, not exposing people for being weird.


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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: koods]
    #27395014 - 07/20/21 11:41 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Fair point, maybe Assange shouldn't have released those dinner plans.  Or maybe he should have released all dinner plans, to appease everyone's curiosity?  What do you think?


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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: twighead] * 1
    #27395019 - 07/20/21 11:43 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

US regime change modus operandi in a nutshell:

-Take random minority that may or may not be oppressed in target country, make deal with them

-Pretend they are a majority and only they matter

-Give them a voice and as much media/radio/air time as possible

-Justify regime change with "but we have to support this XYZ minority in their regime change ambitions because they're oppressed!" aka their typical "humanitarian intervention" which is anything but "humanitarian"

-Ignore that this goes against the will of the majority of target country's population and will require mass murdering thousands of said majority, but it's okay because their deaths can be ignored/swept under the rug

Give me a fucking break.

The fucking Crimean tatars can go cry me a river. They apparently don't give a shit that their neighbors will be rounded up and massacred by a bunch of Nazi thugs whom will see them all as "Pro-Russian" and thus deserving of mass execution. These people are spiritually reincarnated Nazi's, in the flesh, and the war crimes they committed in Eastern Ukraine during the recent civil war were fucking straight up depraved. Oh, but you'll never hear about that, because back in 2014 they were America's latest "democratic freedom fighters" and anything they did could just be easily ignored by a press that might as well have their paychecks signed by the CIA at this point.

Yeah, life under Russia might not be all that great either. But guess what, it still beats mass executions and watching your wife/daughter be kidnapped so that they can be repeatedly raped by some Nazi scumbags before being disposed of. Think I'm exaggerating? Unfortunately there were many young women who "disappeared" when passing through Ukrainian army checkpoints, and it's well documented.

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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27395048 - 07/20/21 12:10 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I'll never forget what the Right Sector Nazi thugs did after their Maidan coup was successful:

https://ukraine-human-rights.org/odessa-ukraine-right-sector-and-maidan-activists-murder-at-least-43-persons/

They attacked a crowd of anti-coup demonstrators, shot them, beat some of them to death, and managed to chase dozens more into a building where they then locked themselves inside to seek refuge. The neonazis then set the building on fire and murdered 43 people.

The police did little to help and basically just looked on while the Nazi bastards murdered dozens of innocent people. Their crime? Being "pro-Russian" and against the coup.

Shortly afterward, civil war broke out which raged for over a year and led to the deaths of atleast 50,000 people, probably more. All thanks to Obama's regime change efforts in the country. Obama took the worst of the worst Nazi scum and empowered them, supported them, and gave them the political cover they needed to destroy their own country and murder their own people.

Anybody who supports the Neonazi regime in Kiev and thinks they are better than Russia - for anyone - is either a victim of propaganda or needs to get their fucking head checked.

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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: chopstick]
    #27395347 - 07/20/21 03:49 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

DEA agent was arrested for storming the capitol. This fucker wore his badge during the insurrection.



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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: koods]
    #27396209 - 07/21/21 07:49 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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I don’t think I said they shouldn’t be releasing people’s dinner plans, I said that releasing said dinner plans is proof they aren’t all that concerned with editorializing, or selectively publishing.



Did you not see why the Podesta spirit dinner plans might be interesting?




I thought Wikileaks was about exposing government corruption, not exposing people for being weird.




Yeah I mean it wouldn’t surprise me if the ruling class are infatuated with the occult, I mean, they all gather to burn a giant owl in a secret location every year.

But that’s anathema to me, if Podesta’s weird voodoo dinners are relevant then I’m sure something in the RNC leaks was relevant.

Whether the Democrats pray to demons at dinner or not Doesnt change the effect they have on our lives, and the policies they advance to affect them.


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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27396330 - 07/21/21 09:31 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Fair point, maybe Assange shouldn't have released those dinner plans.  Or maybe he should have released all dinner plans, to appease everyone's curiosity?  What do you think?




He should have released everybody's dinner plans. Though, second choice would have been to release nobody's dinner plans.

Unfortunately, what he chose to do was release one side's dinner plans, and not the other side's dinner plans, which is by far the dumbest option from a neutrality standpoint. Makes perfect sense from a political hack serving their own biases standpoint, though.

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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: Kryptos]
    #27396611 - 07/21/21 01:01 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Wik ileaks the group admitted they cooperated with the DOJ and withheld like 15k documents. Fal is so full of shit sometimes. Of course Wikileaks played gate keeper. They did it by DOJ guidance.

He is a hack. I don’t think Julian set out with bad intentions, but a long the way he certainly decided to forget about what he started.


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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: christopera]
    #27397647 - 07/22/21 07:49 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Tommy Robinson (Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon) loses libel case brought on by Syrian boy

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/22/tommy-robinson-loses-libel-case-brought-by-syrian-schoolboy


lol remember when people were acting like this guy was the white savior of Europe?


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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27447367 - 08/29/21 05:06 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Breaking news y’all



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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: koods] * 1
    #27486958 - 09/29/21 10:24 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Austin Texas Democratic Party HQ was firebombed last night. Neighbor managed to get the fire out before any damage occurred

https://www.google.com/amp/s/cbsaustin.com/amp/news/local/afd-investigating-possible-arson-at-travis-co-democratic-office


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Re: Humans of the Right Wing: AsCompendium [Re: koods]
    #27487189 - 09/30/21 07:52 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

“Investigating possible arson”

If this was BLM at a police station they’d call it terrorism.


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