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Re: My Beliefs are Concrete [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25215585 - 05/19/18 11:08 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

The nuances in bone structure between different "races" are subtle enough that forensic pathologists cannot even correctly identify skeletal remains 100% of the time.  At the very least, they can not always say with full certainty, "These skeletal remains belonged to a person of fill in the "race" descent.



I want to add that emphasis should be placed on the word nuance.

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Re: My Beliefs are Concrete [Re: Asclepius]
    #25215598 - 05/19/18 11:18 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

There's clear differences in bone structure and facial structure between the main races. Mongoloid, caucasoid, capoid , australoid and negroloid. This is basic stuff.

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Re: My Beliefs are Concrete [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25215610 - 05/19/18 11:29 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

There are differences in facial bone anatomy, sure.  What differences in bone structure were you referring to between races--density?


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Re: My Beliefs are Concrete [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25216055 - 05/20/18 07:49 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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There's clear differences in bone structure and facial structure between the main races. Mongoloid, caucasoid, capoid , australoid and negroloid. This is basic stuff.





If you believe the "out of Africa" theory as I do then those effects are mostly founder effects. There were far fewer mutations once migration began than there were while we were confined to Africa.

i.e. Within reason anything you identify in one race you will also identify in the black race.

Of course founders effects have made some features much more common in certain races than the black race but that is due to the sheer diversity of the black race since it's the original one.

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Re: My Beliefs are Concrete [Re: Asclepius]
    #25216070 - 05/20/18 08:05 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Call one kid who's a little eccentric weird over and over again and that kid will actually become really weird because you're essentially brainwashing him to think of himself that way.




From the beginning, this fundamental premise seems wrong.

What kind of behavior modification is this? Positive punishment?

I don't follow your logic. Please, explain.




More like secondary deviance. The difference being that all individuals go in and out of primary deviance, which is any act that violates social norms. When a particular group or individual gets an especially large amount of attention for their primary deviance though, they may start associating deviant behaviors with their personal identity, thus encouraging an increase in the intensity of their deviant behavior. So basically, if a kid in elementary school is constantly punished for minor infractions like speaking in class, fidgeting too much, and other stuff, then they could come to see themselves as a bad kid. If this kid thinks of himself as a bad kid, then when he is a teenager, he may graduate to criminal behavior as a result of putting him in the "bad kid," category.





You are talking about developmental psychology...More specifically, child & adolescent psychology.  There is a difference between the brains of developing children and adolescents and those of adults.  The latter age demographic should have developed a strong enough sense of self to shrug off false accusations.  We're not talking concentration camp like situations here, the Stanford Prison Experiment, a cult or Abu Ghraib, we're talking about everyday adults living in everyday society.  I've been told over and over again by white racists that Jewish people rule the shadow government, whose ultimate goal is to destroy civilization as we know it, but I do not hold any ill will toward white people in general just because some of them are anti-Semitic.  You want to talk about PC?  It's one thing to make the arguments you have made when it comes to the developing minds of children and adolescents, adults are a whole other ballgame.  How about adults grow the fuck up and accept personal responsibility for their racist attitudes and behaviors.  It's not as though someone is holding a gun to their heads, demanding that they talk and behave in racist ways.  Should the SS bastard who gassed my great-grandfather have gotten a pass because he felt the pressure from other Nazis?  Fuck that shit!




"accept personal responsibility for their racist attitudes and behaviors"

Only if they're white, correct? 

Did the Jews accept any of their "personal responsibility", or they're just the "victims" in this whole thing?

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Re: My Beliefs are Concrete [Re: qman] * 2
    #25216148 - 05/20/18 08:44 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Nobody is saying only whites can be racist, or that only whites should have to own up to their racism.

Enough of your childish strawman bullshit.


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Re: My Beliefs are Concrete [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25216149 - 05/20/18 08:45 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Btw, most Jews are white.


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Re: My Beliefs are Concrete [Re: Enlil]
    #25216177 - 05/20/18 08:59 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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And that's why societies have created racial lines, but not every society draws those lines in the same place.  In other words, there's no genetic basis at all.  It's all a social construct based on whatever arbitrary factors are important to a given society.

The word "race" means something in biology, and there are no biological races in humans.

Besides, should I go with your opinion or that of the American Anthropological Association on this topic?






"there's no genetic basis at all"

http://www.americananthro.org/ConnectWithAAA/Content.aspx?ItemNumber=2583

"Conventional geographic "racial" groupings differ from one another only in about 6% of their genes"

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Re: My Beliefs are Concrete [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25216201 - 05/20/18 09:11 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Nobody is saying only whites can be racist, or that only whites should have to own up to their racism.

Enough of your childish strawman bullshit.




Yet, everyone time someone in this forum brings up "racism", it's always about white people being the perpetrators and non-whites being the victims. You guys have been conditioned to only see it as a one way street.

If you want to see some really thick racism or sexism, go visit the minority communities in the US. Or let me guess, that wouldn't count.

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Re: My Beliefs are Concrete [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25216208 - 05/20/18 09:15 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Btw, most Jews are white.




So calling a Nazi racist would be misguided?

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Re: My Beliefs are Concrete [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25216406 - 05/20/18 11:36 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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There's clear differences in bone structure and facial structure between the main races. Mongoloid, caucasoid, capoid , australoid and negroloid. This is basic stuff.



Lol, is it 1895?  Dude, you need to get up to date on your science.


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Re: My Beliefs are Concrete [Re: Enlil]
    #25216527 - 05/20/18 12:58 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

What was wrong with that? You saying its not true?

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Re: My Beliefs are Concrete [Re: qman] * 2
    #25216668 - 05/20/18 02:13 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Nobody is saying only whites can be racist, or that only whites should have to own up to their racism.

Enough of your childish strawman bullshit.




Yet, everyone time someone in this forum brings up "racism", it's always about white people being the perpetrators and non-whites being the victims. You guys have been conditioned to only see it as a one way street.

If you want to see some really thick racism or sexism, go visit the minority communities in the US. Or let me guess, that wouldn't count.





Because when racism is typicqlly discussed, its about institutional racism.  What institutions do minorities control in this country? CAIR? La Raza? The NBA Player's Association?

The lack of sane proportionality in your posts about racism are telling, and, unsurprisingly, you don't understand how or why that its telling.


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Re: My Beliefs are Concrete [Re: qman]
    #25216674 - 05/20/18 02:14 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Btw, most Jews are white.




So calling a Nazi racist would be misguided?




Being a nazi racist is misguided.


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Re: My Beliefs are Concrete [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25216861 - 05/20/18 03:54 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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What was wrong with that? You saying its not true?



Those racial classifications have been obsolete for a long time.


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Re: My Beliefs are Concrete [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25216878 - 05/20/18 04:05 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Nobody is saying only whites can be racist, or that only whites should have to own up to their racism.

Enough of your childish strawman bullshit.




Yet, everyone time someone in this forum brings up "racism", it's always about white people being the perpetrators and non-whites being the victims. You guys have been conditioned to only see it as a one way street.

If you want to see some really thick racism or sexism, go visit the minority communities in the US. Or let me guess, that wouldn't count.





Because when racism is typicqlly discussed, its about institutional racism.  What institutions do minorities control in this country? CAIR? La Raza? The NBA Player's Association?




"when racism is typically discussed, its about institutional racism"

No, it's usually calling Trump and his supporters "racist" for some baseless reason.  It's calling people "racist" for ideological disagreements that have nothing to do with race. It's using the typical "racist rednecks" remark describing some white people.

"institutional racism"

Oh, that crack vs powder cocaine argument, that's about it.  :lol:

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Re: My Beliefs are Concrete [Re: Enlil]
    #25216993 - 05/20/18 04:56 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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What was wrong with that? You saying its not true?



Those racial classifications have been obsolete for a long time.



They seem pretty accurate.  What are the new classifications? There are none, we're all the same now?

Either way it just shows that physical characteristics between humans are quite apparent and thats why humans tend to characterize each other by their appearance

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    #25217011 - 05/20/18 05:04 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Did you bother to read my link from the AAA?


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Re: My Beliefs are Concrete [Re: Enlil]
    #25217102 - 05/20/18 05:50 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Did you bother to read my link from the AAA?



Your link didnt get into physical traits withraces at all. Your link was an article explaining the social constructs of race. Im not contending the race isn't social or learned at all. Im just arguing that different races physically different and that it is genetic.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negroid

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australoid_race


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

We know the difference between race and ethnicity

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