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North Korea threatens to cancel Trump summit
    #25205944 - 05/15/18 06:49 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

https://www.axios.com/north-korea-threatens-to-cancel-trump-summit-f9eee700-97b4-4e68-9ccc-68d2745dd701.html

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North Korea has cancelled talks with South Korea scheduled for Wednesday, and threatened to cancel next month's summit between President Trump and Kim Jong-un over joint U.S.-South Korean military drills, according to South Korean news agency Yonhap.

Why it matters: This is a dramatic change in tone from North Korea, which recently released three U.S. prisoners and began dismantling a nuclear test site as part of efforts to lay the groundwork for talks with Trump. North Korea has long viewed joint drills as rehearsals for invasion, but had remained uncharacteristically silent about exercises last month. Tuesday's objections were over an air force drill that began last week.


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The statement, issued via the KCNA news agency, reads in part:

"This exercise targeting us, which is being carried out across South Korea, is a flagrant challenge to the Panmunjom Declaration and an intentional military provocation running counter to the positive political development on the Korean Peninsula. The United States will also have to undertake careful deliberations about the fate of the planned North Korea-U.S. summit in light of this provocative military ruckus jointly conducted with the South Korean authorities."
State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said the U.S. had "no information" on what was behind the North Korean warning:

"What we have to go on is what Kim Jong-un had said before, that he understands and appeciates the importance to the United States of having these joint exercises ... we will continue to go ahead and plan the meeting between President Trump and Kim Jong-un."
The Pentagon emphasized that that exercises were routine:

"While we will not discuss specifics, the defensive nature of these combined exercises has been clear for many decades and has not changed."
Between the lines: With one month to go before the summit, scheduled for June 12th in Singapore, North Korea appears to be testing the Trump administration's boundaries. Josh Pollack, editor of the non proliferation review, says North Korea objects to Trump's "maximum pressure" stance. "They want to see a change in tone from the US, and so far they’re not seeing it," he says.




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Re: North Korea threatens to cancel Trump summit [Re: musiclover420]
    #25206056 - 05/15/18 07:47 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

hmmm no wonder they released those hostages early, cause trump was never going to make that June meeting. . .


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Re: North Korea threatens to cancel Trump summit [Re: musiclover420]
    #25206114 - 05/15/18 08:23 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

No problem, let them choke on the sanctions for a few more months until they are ready. Trump might even tighten the screws some more if kim starts acting up. Kim did not come around because moon asked him to sign a peace treaty. He came around because sanctions were biting hard and he was between a rock and a hard place.

Its kind of comical seeing him pulling this right now. Does he think we will call off the exercises because he doesn't like it? Ha ha. He will get no breaks of any kind until and unless he bows to the rest of trumps demands. Then it has to be verified. Mr weakling would be wringing his hands begging kim to act right and probably calling off the joint exercises.


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Re: North Korea threatens to cancel Trump summit [Re: Stonehenge]
    #25206157 - 05/15/18 08:43 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I see it as the opposite. Trump and his supporters have already tried taking credit for the NK peace talks, Kim knows this. If he suddenly backs out it won't look good for either side. That gives him some leverage as trump really needs a win right now...

Also this could be related to trump pulling out of the Iran deal. That doesn't send a good message to NK that whatever agreement is reached will be upheld.

We shall see how it plays out though :shrug:


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Re: North Korea threatens to cancel Trump summit [Re: musiclover420]
    #25206185 - 05/15/18 08:59 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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I see it as the opposite. Trump and his supporters have already tried taking credit for the NK peace talks, Kim knows this. If he suddenly backs out it won't look good for either side. That gives him some leverage as trump really needs a win right now...

Also this could be related to trump pulling out of the Iran deal. That doesn't send a good message to NK that whatever agreement is reached will be upheld.

We shall see how it plays out though :shrug:




No doubt kim hates the thought trump might get credit and hates the possibility even more that he might get the nobel. But pulling any crap is just going to backfire on him so not likely he will refuse to meet or not agree to the terms. He might but all trump has to do is say "ok, take your time, we are in no hurry" he has another 6 years to go you know. Kim can't stall too long while food is almost gone along with fuel, vital replacement parts, etc practically non existent. Wait until winter and if kim has not caved all the way I'll jump over a candle stick.

Trump pulling out of the iran thing was a mistake on his part but it makes no difference. When you are desperate you do what you have to do and kim knows what he has to do. If he won't agree to terms; ok we can wait, can you kimmy?

Kim is more impressed by the syria actions than anything else but its sanctions that have broken his will. He is trying to save face now but he is running out of tricks.


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Re: North Korea threatens to cancel Trump summit [Re: Stonehenge] * 2
    #25206252 - 05/15/18 09:33 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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No problem, let them choke on the sanctions for a few more months until they are ready. Trump might even tighten the screws some more if kim starts acting up. Kim did not come around because moon asked him to sign a peace treaty. He came around because sanctions were biting hard and he was between a rock and a hard place.



Do you have a source for this?  North Korea has always been off limits for US businesses.  How do you 'tighten the screws' on nothing?


"Hey Kim, if you think nothing was bad, next time we'll give you NOTHING!"  :smirk:


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Re: North Korea threatens to cancel Trump summit [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #25206384 - 05/15/18 10:50 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

lol trump is Kim's bitch. Trump has so much riding on this.


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Re: North Korea threatens to cancel Trump summit [Re: Stonehenge] * 2
    #25206386 - 05/15/18 10:52 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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No problem, let them choke on the sanctions for a few more months until they are ready.



Yes, American sanctions will seriously impact the DPRK's thriving methamphetamine, counterfeiting and human trafficking industries.  :facepalm:


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Re: North Korea threatens to cancel Trump summit [Re: musiclover420] * 2
    #25206393 - 05/15/18 10:56 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

We must be stupid if we think NK would think they can trust us if they agreed to get rid of all their weapons. Sheesh.


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Re: North Korea threatens to cancel Trump summit [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #25206399 - 05/15/18 10:57 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

We are American.  :shrug:


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Re: North Korea threatens to cancel Trump summit [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #25206430 - 05/15/18 11:20 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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We must be stupid if we think NK would think they can trust us if they agreed to get rid of all their weapons. Sheesh.




I was skeptical from the start, seems like they have a history of "cooperating" temporarily when they need an advantage.

But who knows, I feel like a more competent administration could work something out. Like the Iran Deal, NK might end up negotiating something similar.


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    #25206434 - 05/15/18 11:22 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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But who knows, I feel like a more competent administration could work something out.



A more competent administration did work something out.  Then Dubya shitcanned the effort because it reeked of Clinton.

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=uaP7WuiwGuaW0gKLl6uQBw&q=us+dprk+agreed+framework&oq=us+dprk+agree&gs_l=psy-ab.3.0.0j0i22i30k1.21242.23592.0.24359.15.13.0.0.0.0.111.1259.8j5.13.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..2.13.1257.0..35i39k1j0i131k1j0i20i264k1j0i131i20i264k1j0i10k1j0i22i10i30k1.0.lOG9AK1PqM0


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Re: North Korea threatens to cancel Trump summit [Re: chibiabos]
    #25206451 - 05/15/18 11:34 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Interesting:

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The objective of the agreement was the freezing and replacement of North Korea's indigenous nuclear power plant program with more nuclear proliferation resistant light water reactor power plants, and the step-by-step normalization of relations between the U.S. and the DPRK. Implementation of the agreement was troubled from the start, but its key elements were being implemented until it effectively broke down in 2003.




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In January 2002 U.S. President George W. Bush labeled North Korea in his first State of the Union Address as part of an Axis of Evil.[35]

In October 2002, a U.S. delegation led by Assistant Secretary of State James A. Kelly visited North Korea to confront the North Koreans with the U.S. assessment that they had a uranium enrichment program.[36] The parties' reports of the meeting differ. The U.S. delegation believed the North Koreans had admitted the existence of a highly enriched uranium program.[37] The North Koreans stated Kelly made his assertions in an arrogant manner, but failed to produce any evidence such as satellite photos, and they responded by denying that North Korea planned to produce nuclear weapons using enriched uranium. They went on to state that as an independent sovereign state North Korea was entitled to possess nuclear weapons for defense, although they did not possess such a weapon at that point in time.[8][38][39] Relations between the two countries, which had seemed hopeful two years earlier, quickly deteriorated into open hostility.




Sound familiar? Hint: Iraq "WMD's"....

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Re: North Korea threatens to cancel Trump summit [Re: musiclover420] * 3
    #25206462 - 05/15/18 11:38 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Ye gods...Remember when Dubya was the nadir of the presidency?


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Re: North Korea threatens to cancel Trump summit [Re: chibiabos]
    #25207368 - 05/16/18 11:41 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

No shit.


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Re: North Korea threatens to cancel Trump summit [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #25207385 - 05/16/18 11:45 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

But I already made my "Trump deserves all the credit for denuclearization, reunification, and world peace" banner. Fml


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    #25207387 - 05/16/18 11:45 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Obviously NK is not going to give up its nuclear weapons. I've been saying that this whole time. We have a bunch of amateurs with no common sense running this country now. What an embarrassment.


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    #25207399 - 05/16/18 11:49 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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But I already made my "Trump deserves all the credit for denuclearization, reunification, and world peace" banner. Fml




Stuff it in the closet next to the "trump built that wall and Mexico paid for it!" Banner


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    #25207401 - 05/16/18 11:50 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

But then i wont have room for my "trump stayed out of syria" and "trump drained the swamp" banners


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    #25207424 - 05/16/18 12:01 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

If I get rid of my "Obamacare: repealed and replaced" banner and my "Hillary: locked up" banner, I could make room for you.


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