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biddabaddabong
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Is this stroma? also Bruising or contam?
#25194691 - 05/10/18 02:24 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I'm using a kit... Don't shout! I'm also growing in jars too, but I ordered the kit before I knew I could do it on my own and have way more fun! Anyway, it's been 6 days since I soaked the cake. I've been misting twice daily and fanning twice daily too. Woke up this morning and found this... To the right of the pic you may be able to see a green/blue/black spot. These are minute but this is the biggest one...
EDIT: with regards to the first response below... Damn. This is looking like textbook stroma. Is it? If so, what can be done. I'm so annoyed right now. That's one jar lost to cobweb, and now this kit is gonna screw up too.
https://ibb.co/jZLyBJ
They are all over the cake in various spots, though my cam doesn't seem to be picking them up. Is this trich?
Edited by biddabaddabong (05/10/18 03:59 AM)
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Enkidu
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Not sure but that myc looks matted to hell from too much of something, I would guess starving in high co2.
Could be that mixed with overmisting possibly
Something definitely looking off at the moment.
All I can recommend is increase fae, I'm assuming that isn't a contam which I can't tell.
Fae is frequent air exchange if youre unfamiliar but frequent air exposure is a little less misleading. Idk what your fruiting conditions are but maybe give more air for the time being.
Like if this is a tub or something crack the lid
Hope it's not trich...
Kinda just looks like a small bruise to me but kinda hard to make out and I can't zoom in on that pic
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Edited by Enkidu (05/10/18 02:35 AM)
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biddabaddabong
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Re: Early bruising or contam? [Re: Enkidu]
#25194703 - 05/10/18 02:41 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have staved off misting for the time-being. Once daily will be the usual now. i am misting vigorously for 30 seconds in the morning and evening... I can't see it being FAE issues. i have the bag paperclipped but (after doing HOURS of research daily) it's on very loo0se as I know FAE is super important.
The matting is strange. i've searched for similar images and the only one I found was on this forum... People seemed to be going crazy saying it looked good though?
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Looks like it over colonized in high co2 to me with late fruiting or something but maybe it's good like you say
Maybe its the misting. Check this out if you get time unless you already have
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053/page/1
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Re: Early bruising or contam? [Re: Enkidu]
#25194716 - 05/10/18 02:58 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Could temp have anything to do with it? I'm colonizing jars in the same room so the temp in here is hovering around 19-20celcious. Would love a second or third opinion on this!
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Enkidu
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Might be a little cold but I don't think temp would result in that...
Guess I could be wrong 
Time will tell, someone else will comment
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Re: Early bruising or contam? [Re: Enkidu]
#25194730 - 05/10/18 03:13 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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True about the temp. i dont wanna buy a heater and I'm not fussed about waiting a little longer anyway!
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Enkidu
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Yeah it's not detrimental to the grow, maybe slow things down a bit, maybe create more potent boomers too, but hopefully someone gives you more advise regarding the observed conditions
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Re: Early bruising or contam? [Re: Enkidu]
#25194735 - 05/10/18 03:19 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's rather worrying. especially as people seem less concerned/experienced about kit grows in this part of the internet. I'm treating this as more of a 'bonus' grow though as I'm doing a few jars with Bod's 'Easy Cheapest Tek' fruiting in-jar using a sandwich bag to maintain RH. 1 week in an the first jar has begun to colonise nicely.
If anyone does give a response i'd like to know more about the 'scratching' method of relieving overlay... Or can it be fixed with more misting... That's the real question. Though, from my pics my moisture levels on the surface of the myc looks perfect, does it not?
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You can make an incubator for about 15 dollars. If your interested i can show you how i made mine. Its usefull. Temperature is constant and theres no light
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biddabaddabong
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Re: Early bruising or contam? [Re: Dukuizam]
#25194767 - 05/10/18 04:16 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know you can make an incubator (TiT) but I'm really not interested. I'm eager for people to be aware that I have read probably around 5 hours per day for 2 weeks now on various teks, cultivation Q&A's, videos, books. It's a nice temp here anyway, and from what I've heard raising the temp may increase contam likelihood.
I just want to know what this bumpiness is. I wasn't even worried about it until the first comment on this thread! Admittedly I'd NEVER heard of stroma or overlay before anyway, so this has boosted my knowledge. That being said, I'm now even more worried, facing 2 problems rather than one.
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Enkidu
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Well don't worry about it but I've never had myc that looked like that in all the grows I've done
I've seen it a couple times around but
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Re: Early bruising or contam? [Re: Enkidu]
#25194996 - 05/10/18 08:12 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shit happens man. Keep more jars rolling.
Not saying the sub won't fruit just pretty sure something is off /going on here 
Kinda surprised no tc has answered or anything..
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Re: Early bruising or contam? [Re: Enkidu]
#25195034 - 05/10/18 08:38 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's very surprising nobody has answered. i've been obsessively researching ALL day. I'm stuck between thinking this is either a HUGE Trich contam that has yet to turn green, or Stroma. Or maybe nothing and it just looks weird?
I can't seem to find any proper pics of Stroma, most of the threads on here are so old that the pics are long gone. The forum even teases me with a thread called 'Stroma perfect examples' but all the bloody pics have been deleted.
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Upload pics to the shroomery and I will take a look. I don't click offsite links.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24713186#24713186
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Re: Early bruising or contam? [Re: Mad Season]
#25195057 - 05/10/18 08:50 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Early bruising or contam? [Re: Mad Season]
#25195071 - 05/10/18 08:54 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here it is...
If you need any other angles I'll shoot some over
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No trich, just bruising from getting dry. Peaks tend to dry out faster than valleys. This is why we always push for even surfaces so the surface won't have spots that dry out (I know this was out of your control). That's not stroma, just a hella matted surface. Stroma is very rare in cubes. I've only seen it twice lol. The cottage cheese surface is fairly typical of bacteria thriving in a low fae environment and/or bad spawn (very typical to have bacteria in your grow so don't freak out, you just want to limit its growth with high fae). Looks like it needs more fae to me, and maybe a VERY light misting just so the peaks get some moisture. Here's a couple links to help in figuring out surface conditions:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23461134
If you can keep up good fae and proper surface conditions, this will produce.
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Re: Early bruising or contam? [Re: Mad Season]
#25195091 - 05/10/18 09:06 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks SO much! So with regards to upping the FAE - this is a crappy kit box-in-a-bag type deal... I haven't made an sgfc... will it suffice to poke a shit-ton of holes into the bag instead? and combine that with the 3X daily fanning for 2minutes? I could just poke the holes into the bag with the paperclips they provided, right?
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Also - does my moisture level look good? I tries to get it spot on and I have read both of those guides previously so I'm mystified as to how it could dry out!
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I'm saying the peaks of the myc looks slightly dry. It's very hard, and perhaps impossible to keep a surface like this properly hydrated because the peaks dry out while the valleys will get really wet. It's for this reason that every sub I make HAS to be even af. Just punch a bunch of holes into the bag and that should suffice. I've seen many people get great flushes doing just that.
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Re: Early bruising or contam? [Re: Mad Season]
#25195101 - 05/10/18 09:11 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I had the exact same conditions in my shoebox. I beleive it's stroma, but it didn't respond to more FAE. One cool thing about it was that it held humidity beads extremely well, I didn't have to mist it once. It also grew very fruitfully and well. You should eventually see pins growing right through it, I would even like to replicate it in my grows. I saved some spores from the variety of it, and wondering if it could have something to do with genetics also.
Anyway, don't fret, its not contam. Perhaps a little bacterial but nothing to worry about. Mine even started to change colors slightly, almost grey and yellow, but I beleive it was just weird bruising from the stroma. Mine never contamed out, and like I say, it really fruited well.
One strange thing I noticed about my shoebox like this, is that it was like a "one-flush wonder". All the mushrooms grew at pretty much the same pace, and once they were gone, they were gone.
I hope this helps you!
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Re: Is this stroma? also Bruising or contam? [Re: biddabaddabong]
#25195110 - 05/10/18 09:14 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks so much for your responses. Woah. I've spent ALL DAY fretting and getting so concerned.
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naturalistic123 said: I had the exact same conditions in my shoebox. I beleive it's stroma, but it didn't respond to more FAE. One cool thing about it was that it held humidity beads extremely well, I didn't have to mist it once. It also grew very fruitfully and well. You should eventually see pins growing right through it, I would even like to replicate it in my grows. I saved some spores from the variety of it, and wondering if it could have something to do with genetics also.
So do you reckon I should continue to mist twice daily or ease up on it? Also - how long did yours take to fruit exactly? As I say, this is the 6th day, these masses appearing I'd say 2 days in...
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If I remember correctly, i'd say it took a couple weeks to begin pinning, maybe one and a half. If you have moisture beads on top of the "stroma" (i.e. if it's holding moisture and you can see it on the surface), I wouldn't mist it. However, I have only just begun in cultivation, with only four shoeboxes under my belt, these were my first two. So, If anyone more experienced can give a more solid answer, listen to them. This is just my own experience. Good luck, brother!
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biddabaddabong
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What was your dry yield, if you don't mind me asking? I'm hoping for 15g dry from this box in total
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I had a spawn amount of 2.5 half pint BRF cakes crumbled to coir and verm in each of those shoeboxes, and they each yielded me 6-7 grams each. I would say your prediction is about right, but I would prepare for the worst by planning for 12 grams!
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Hey guys! So it's been a few days. I have stabbed lots of holes (possibly too many) into the bag... Misting regularly. Even more blue bruising has appeared and STILL no pins. Its been 8 days now. Is it screwed?

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23461134
You can also tape some holes up if it's drying up too much for you.
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Adripz803
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Hey man same thing is happening o my tub you mind taking a look at it?
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