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Toxic Poisoning (?) STP Former Daydream Believers
    #2519137 - 04/02/04 03:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I cultivated a syringe from Spore Trading Post of the former Daydream Believer Strain that has since been deleted from the STP spore listing after I emailed the Keeper with my DX.

I ended up in bed over the weekend with chronic pains in stomach, sweating, headache and diareah. 1 Week later I thought I had Orellanine poisoning since the symptoms subsided and my eyes were red/yellow (assumingly).

The ER did metabolic, liver and renal check. Everything seemed normal.

A few weeks later I developed fasciculations (twitching) all over my body and now my liver enzyme has been elavated over 100 for 2 weeks now. They [the neurologists] don't know what's going on only to note that I am developing neuropathy at a rapid rate since the ingestion of the mushrooms.

My question is has anyone here ingested the daydream believer strain or known anyone who purchased it from the Sporetradingpost.com?

Has anyone here been plagued with twitches after exposure to a mushroom which they had thought contained psylocybin?

I ate these and did not hallucinate...

Is there a bacteria that can cause this that is common mushrooms?

I still have the spores...but am in limbo and am questioning...


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Re: Toxic Poisoning (?) STP Former Daydream Believers [Re: smarfy]
    #2519154 - 04/02/04 03:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Dude, that's intense. Any possibility it was a contam?


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Re: Toxic Poisoning (?) STP Former Daydream Believers [Re: Viveka]
    #2519171 - 04/02/04 04:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Don't know. It was a clean birth from what I saw. No molds. Used the hydrogen peroxide method...everthing was clean and regulated by the book...they grew 3 times over until exhausted. I dried them, put them in the freezer, ate them a week later...and Bam! Was about 30 caps.


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Re: Toxic Poisoning (?) STP Former Daydream Believers [Re: smarfy]
    #2520086 - 04/02/04 10:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Is there any possibility that it wasn't the mushrooms?  Or maybe they contacted a bacteria in the freezer?  I don't know, man.  That doesn't sound like psilocybe mushrooms to me.  :frown:


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Re: Toxic Poisoning (?) STP Former Daydream Believers [Re: smarfy]
    #2520117 - 04/02/04 10:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This isnt exactly Support related. Stand by... I am discussing with the other mods where this question might be better suited for some answers, as Im sure you would like to know what is going on. Good luck to you dude... ill PM you when i find out where we are moving it to


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Re: Toxic Poisoning (?) STP Former Daydream Believers [Re: Suffer]
    #2521810 - 04/03/04 04:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

ok thanks. I'll keep an eye out for it. I hope someone out there knows something.


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Re: Toxic Poisoning (?) STP Former Daydream Believers [Re: smarfy]
    #2527142 - 04/05/04 12:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

This could be one out of many things. If the mushrooms were contaminated, then maybe it would be a good idea to deliver a sample to your doctor right away, so he can determine if there has any kind of damaging microorganism, believe me there are some which can make you very sick and it's your life that might be at risk.
Let's make the assumption the mushrooms were not contaminated at all. I can pull out some possibilities:
A) You are allergic to a specific compound in the mushrooms. Note that mushrooms can produce different amounts of chemicals depending on the specie and maybe on the strain. I don't know anything about this Daydream Believer Strain, is it really a Ps. Cubensis strain or some other Ps. specie ?
B) The mushrooms got contaminated while stored inside the refrigerator. This can happen if you don't let them dry properly or if you store them inside something in contact with the refrigerator inner air. Before storing the mushrooms inside the refrigerator you should put then inside a well closed plastic bag after being dried properly.
C) You received the wrong spore print and produced the wrong mushrooms. How were the mushrooms like ? Did they resemble something you've seen before ? What color is the spore print ?

Now, i don't know if this the first time you consume mushrooms. If you never did, it's possible you are allergic to psilocybin, to know something about this it will be a good clue to know if anybody else consumed the mushrooms and got the same symptoms. On the other hand, the symptoms you describe are associated with the ingestion of toxins which are causing liver damage.
My advice is to keep visiting the doctor and make all blood tests you can. Being sincere with your doctor could be crucial in this case as he can provide specific test if they determine the origin.
PM me if you ever need my help !!

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Re: Toxic Poisoning (?) STP Former Daydream Believers [Re: MAIA]
    #2536919 - 04/07/04 10:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The spores were like a dark purple with redish tinge.

Doctors don't know what to do and the samples are gone now. I have more syringe left and could simply make more of it in the same way. I went to Bellvue PCC (Poison Control Center) and they laughed at me and took my last specimines and threw them away. Said they were shrooms but never tested them for toxins or pathogens.

I had shrooms before. They looked different as they were a different, "More potent" strain according to "the keeper" at MSC, Inc. Spore trading post. He won't return my emails and I keep calling with no answer. He said they came from some "Lab" in Jamaica when I bought them. I'm in serious need of help and he won't help even if it's life threatening. I'm not going to sue! I just want to get better and live life! Please...If I saw him I would beg him for some more information. I asked for pics he had on site or other info.. no answer.

I think I'm dying here guys. No joke. My fasciculations are turing into pain and cramping...my results of liver alt came in elevated more now at 119 for over 4 weeks solid. No jaundice yet...doctors don't know what to do. My muscle seem weaker and neuropathy agressive.

I'm really scared and no one seems like they want to or can help me.

Also, to note, I was in bed with diareah, chills and night sweats for 3 days after ingestion.


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Re: Toxic Poisoning (?) STP Former Daydream Believers [Re: smarfy]
    #2536995 - 04/07/04 11:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)


4.2.04
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now my liver enzyme has been elavated over 100 for 2 weeks now. They [the neurologists] don't know what's going on only to note that I am developing neuropathy at a rapid rate since the ingestion of the mushrooms.





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I think I'm dying here guys. No joke. My fasciculations are turing into pain and cramping...my results of liver alt came in elevated more now at 119 for over 4 weeks solid. No jaundice yet...doctors don't know what to do. My muscle seem weaker and neuropathy agressive.




But it was 'over 100 for two weeks' only five days ago?

There isn't much more to say than what MAIA said. Be very honest with the doctor(s), and ask to switch if you don't like the one(s) you get. How many doctors have you seen? Have you gotten to see a specialist yet [other than neurologists]?


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Re: Toxic Poisoning (?) STP Former Daydream Believers [Re: smarfy]
    #2537001 - 04/07/04 11:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

This is the image they had and it looked like these when I grew them. The cakes had some minor mold contam but I hydro peroxide it clean and quarantined. it was a greyinsh green/blue mold.. not too active and didn't spread. Like I said, was a clean birth. Everything was grown in perlite on the cakes. I'm growing more when I come back from vacation - if I don't end up in ER while gone. Wish me luck guys. I'll check while away if I can. Thanks in advance for any help.



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Re: Toxic Poisoning (?) STP Former Daydream Believers [Re: Suntzu]
    #2537010 - 04/07/04 11:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

3 weeks, sorry...fat finger. typing fast.


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Re: Toxic Poisoning (?) STP Former Daydream Believers [Re: Suntzu]
    #2537026 - 04/07/04 11:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Be very honest with the doctor(s), and ask to switch if you don't like the one(s) you get. How many doctors have you seen? Have you gotten to see a specialist yet [other than neurologists]?




I asked and they keep refering me to neurologists. I've already seen one toxicologist 3 weeks ago in Basking Ridge, NJ. Tomorrow the results are supposed to come in for preliminary infection report. I saw another GP today and told her the SX story. She's sending me in for MRI of brain.

2 Neuro's = Neuropathy of dmyl and axon type (mixed).
2 GP's = Elevated Liver Enzyme, high trigs. (Liver was red flag)
1 Specialist = Waiting on results

This is exactly like the strain as sold from CosmicSpores


Oh well.


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Re: Toxic Poisoning (?) STP Former Daydream Believers [Re: smarfy]
    #2539264 - 04/08/04 03:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The shrooms look ok.
Now, you say you don't have jaundice yet. Maybe you got a viral infection which was manifested that day.
Are your lymph nodes swelled ? To test this, check your groin by pressing it with your fingers. If you feel some little hard balls, then that's your body reacting to some kind of infection. I made a test for mononucleosis when i had similar symptoms.

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Re: Toxic Poisoning (?) STP Former Daydream Believers [Re: smarfy]
    #2540929 - 04/08/04 10:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think you should be in the hospital and not typing on the computer.
Seriously, if you are that sick shouldnt you be in the hospital?

Anyways good luck, as I dont really have any usefull information, but I do wish you the best.

Also, why would they throw the spores out. If its life or death situation I would highly doubt they would throw them out and laugh at you. They would be testing them right now.

You also said

"The cakes had some minor mold contam but I hydro peroxide it clean and quarantined"

But earlier you said there was NO contams, and everything was fine.


Edited by frock (04/08/04 10:06 PM)


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    #2541043 - 04/08/04 10:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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