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Invisiblebaltazar
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popcorn
    #2518848 - 04/02/04 02:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I want to hear some experiences with it ... I heard that it is realy bad and worthless , but i had bad experience with WBS and i want to try popcorn ( i can't get no vermiculite right now ... ) ...

So , tell me some tips and experiences ... I have about 16 ml mycelium liquid syringe that waits to be used ... Ill colonize few jars to see what happens ...  :grin:


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Re: popcorn [Re: baltazar]
    #2518854 - 04/02/04 02:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ill take wbs over anything


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Re: popcorn [Re: baltazar]
    #2518882 - 04/02/04 02:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

popcorn is good, i like wbs better though, easier to work with. no 24hr soak nessary and seem more contam resistant ime.


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Re: popcorn [Re: baltazar]
    #2518899 - 04/02/04 02:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't have a good experience with popcorn...

i thought i would offer popcorn at my site, but half the jars i sent out as samples got contammed... i sterilized for 70 minutes as per the tek, followed the rest of the tek just as written... the corn came out looking a little burnt, so I was concerned about overcooking, yet half of them still came out bad...

too unpredictable for me, so I'm gonna stick with what i know- PF tek


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Re: popcorn [Re: John]
    #2518903 - 04/02/04 02:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I heard that popcorn colonizes faster than WBS ...
Popcorn makes bigger air gaps in the jar then WBS , so mycelium has more place to grow and that's why it grows faster ..

I don't belive that there is a diference between them in contam resistancy ... It is just important how clean and sterlized you work .

Well , for me soaking isn't the problem , i would soak it for a week if needed just to get some shrooms :laugh:


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Re: popcorn [Re: baltazar]
    #2518938 - 04/02/04 02:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

popcorn is bigger more room form endospores to hide compared to tiny millet and quinoa (sp?) have to add more water and pc longer ime. pre-soak isn't that much trouble, just more work, some don't have the time esp. if doing a lot of jars.

also big kernals sucks when using it for spawn, less innoc points compared to wbs. takes longer, not really a problem but i'm impatient. wbs seemed to perform better ime as well.


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Re: popcorn [Re: baltazar]
    #2518973 - 04/02/04 02:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

whenever leppy the leprachaun uses wbs foul smells eminate from his jars.
this ha yet to happen. only contams that have occured using popcorn are when he forgot to PC a few rebel jars...:stoned:
leppy likes popcorn. guss everyone has their thing eh?


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Re: popcorn [Re: BenFungTorez]
    #2519092 - 04/02/04 03:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know why but , my WBS jars colonized fully from the outside , and then just stoped ... The core and the bottom was not colonized , i don't know why this happened . I had good air exchange and it was enough moist ... One of my jars got nasty contamination too . So everything went to hell with my WBS . That's why im trying popcorn ...

Well , are there any positive experiences :laugh: ? I saw some wonderfull pics of colonized popcorn
here - http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/24018  ... Looks realy beutifull ...


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Re: popcorn [Re: baltazar]
    #2519152 - 04/02/04 03:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

my dog is having fairly good success with his popcorn.
only one or two out of 20 some odd half pints, pints, and ragu spaghetti sauce jar, have what appears to be wet spots and milky nasty stuff. fairly good considering.
his step was to soak 24 hours, boil on low for an hour or so, stirring occasionally, then rinsing well, then draining well, then even blotting excess water with towels and paper towels before loading into jars. tyvek with just the lid ring to hold it down, innoculated straight thru the tyvek, then hole sealed with silicone caulking. thats his rough approach to popcorn. then he pcs it for an hour, takes out, shakes, loads up, then pcs for another hour. (10 psi pc). he even tried a large spawn bag of popcorn, but with a 4 qt pc, it was difficult to fit much popcorn in there. he ended up wrapping it in a towel, partially sealed with black clippies, and then stuffed as best he could into the pc. the dyes from the towel leached out and made some kernels purple =/ but all is well, its still colonizing.
really is a bastard of a bag, never was sealed properly, dog doesnt have nor know how to use impulse sealers, so he just taped it as best he could.

...anyway, popcorn is good, 2-3 weeks to colonize even what he would consider large jars in unoptimal conditions. thats just his success with it though. now that hes had some popcorn experience, and sees how it works, he plans to try wbs again, as before his were raging failures with it. so i guess his and my opinion is biased, since he hasnt had good luck with the wbs, and has with popcorn.

works for some, doesnt for others
sometimes its just neat to see what it will grow on and how it does...

-jb


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Re: popcorn [Re: baltazar]
    #2519175 - 04/02/04 04:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have tried using popcorn and it was the most worthless thing I have ever worked with. I have heard about and seen good colonization, but never in my own experience. However, if you are going to use it, I had better luck with yellow popcorn than white. Also, I have no idea what the composition of popcorn is, but in my own opinion, it just doesn't seem like popcorn would have enough nutrients to sustain healthy and continuous growth after birthing.

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Re: popcorn [Re: baltazar]
    #2519690 - 04/02/04 07:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting to read the different experiences.

Personally, corn is my fav at the moment. I can't come to terms with WBS yet. Colonization times between WBS and corn are like night and day. Corn colonizes WAY faster for me anyway.

Never have had any probs getting fruits off of corn.


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Re: popcorn [Re: baltazar]
    #2519790 - 04/02/04 07:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Regular popcorn i dont much care for cracked corn isnt that bad but WBS kicks both there buts in my opinion.


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Re: popcorn [Re: daywalker]
    #2519804 - 04/02/04 08:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Popcorn works very well. Colonizes much faster than wbs and ive never had 1 contam. Costs a little more but its easier to work with i think, 4 bucks fills about 5 quart jars. Use both before you make a decision.


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Re: popcorn [Re: baltazar]
    #2520042 - 04/02/04 10:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

From e newbie's point of view...

Popcorn rocks!

My jars were colonised 100% in less than a week (innoculated with HEAPS of liquid myc with a tiny bit of h2o2 in the syringe... I put a bottom layer of verm down before pc'ing to absorb any overflow).

0 contams for me... (and my technique leaves a lot to be desired too, I'm sure)

This is my first grow (I couldn't do BRF cakes as I can't get lots of stuff here) and I cased them in the jars last night, so I can't comment on fruiting yet...


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Re: popcorn [Re: baltazar]
    #2520076 - 04/02/04 10:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have used popcorn for awhile now and you need to pc it for a full hour before loading it in your jars....It needs to be pretty soft before pcing it in your jars because it has a hard time fully colonising fully in the kernal if its still kinda hard...The potency is the same with corn compared to WBS or BRF....Just ask Anno if you disagree so props to Anno because that is where i heard this first..
The problem is when you are preparing a casing because you cut some of the kernals in half digging it outta a jar ....you can almost watch the green form on the cut kernals leading to a pre-mature contam factor in a casing.
I had bad luck with WBS at a 50% contam rate and some stalled because of drying out to fast also...Trust me corn is way better at not contamming when colonising but if its not softened up properly before loading your jars for PCing you might have contam problems after casing


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Re: popcorn [Re: baltazar]
    #2520341 - 04/03/04 12:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I noc'd up 6 quarts of popcorn this month, g2g from 1 quart to 30 others. 0 contam, and 0 experience on my part. Seems easy enough to me. 2 weeks to full colonization without incubation, shaken once.

As for fruiting, don't ask me yet, but you can check out some kickass pictures on the grow logs. I might try wbs next time just cause it's so cheap. But hell I don't mind spending 30 bucks on grain if it's gonna yield 1000 bucks street value. I feel like I've saved money either way.


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Re: popcorn [Re: reckard]
    #2520351 - 04/03/04 12:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Grow to sell=


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Re: popcorn [Re: baltazar]
    #2520374 - 04/03/04 12:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I love popcorn!!
just cause it works better for me.
I also put a bit of verm in mine





the only reason I put the verm in mine is I can never decide if I want to fruit them as cakes, or do casings.


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Re: popcorn [Re: spadlishus7]
    #2520453 - 04/03/04 01:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I like it also...no pics this time damnitWell just one in a corn patch..copes are nice guys... :cool:


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Re: popcorn [Re: OldSpice]
    #2521223 - 04/03/04 11:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not growing to sell. I'm saying I've saved a thousand bucks in the long run. These are all gonna be dried and stored for my personal consumption.


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