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'Nothing human is foreign to me'
    #25182559 - 05/03/18 09:01 PM (3 years, 7 days ago)

What do you think of this phrase?


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25182602 - 05/03/18 09:11 PM (3 years, 7 days ago)

Human nature never changes


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25182642 - 05/03/18 09:27 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

I'd only believe it if Donald Duck said it.
but seriously
it is true in an ideal way
or in a way that finds the common system of being.


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25182655 - 05/03/18 09:34 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

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What do you think of this phrase?



Horse doo doo.... if you get kidnapped and tortured before being murdered... it will indeed feel very foreign to the individual


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: redgreenvines]
    #25182658 - 05/03/18 09:35 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

The idea might be based in the habitual belief we each are uniquely different and special.

When in reality, every love, joy, hate, and heartache is an experience millions have shared.


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #25182661 - 05/03/18 09:36 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

Every new experience is foreign... by default ..


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: Kinko]
    #25182684 - 05/03/18 09:45 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

How can any experience be foreign?


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #25182689 - 05/03/18 09:48 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

When u tried icecream for the very first time.. was it not foreign ? Case closed


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #25182701 - 05/03/18 09:51 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

it's more about the experiencers being very similar, not the experiences.
there is something about experiencing that can be understood in common with all humans
that something is what makes all of being human unforeign.

yeah, it's a stretch.


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #25182702 - 05/03/18 09:51 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

Fear, Love, Hate, Happiness, Confusion, Relief, Anxiety, etc, etc.

Once you've experienced these things, they are no longer foreign right?

And is each new experience, at base, not governed by this same finite set of emotions?


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: Kinko]
    #25182708 - 05/03/18 09:54 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

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When u tried icecream for the very first time.. was it not foreign ? Case closed




When I ate ice-cream for the first time, I experienced it's essence.

Maybe my expectations were different than the experience, but so what?


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #25182713 - 05/03/18 10:00 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

Your parents before you ate ice cream they made you so in turn you had tried ice cream


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #25182952 - 05/03/18 11:57 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

Rage, the desire to murder, the desire to rape or molest, being thrilled by torture, etc., etc. are extremely foreign to me. Sometimes, well, frequently I cannot believe I am one of these cretins.


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25183240 - 05/04/18 05:46 AM (3 years, 6 days ago)

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What do you think of this phrase?




Cliches and platitudes.

"I'm with her".


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25184020 - 05/04/18 02:46 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

My first thought was "Oh, yeah, ever read de Sade?" :eek:


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25184149 - 05/04/18 04:06 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

This is the line of thought I was under. There seems to be elemental forms of the experiential within the human domain, such as the emotions that you name. It seems to me that the only which would be alien is the extent and particular combination of these experiential elements. But then, as in chemistry, are these particular configurations of these elements not to be named as their own compound? Or is it that giving each of these compounds their own identity is only a thing of practical importance?


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #25184400 - 05/04/18 06:28 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

This question is like the stump of a tree

each answer will  speak to a branch, revealing  the respondent's view of 'human'

I can see this human in so many ways.




For example, you may not know my terror, that evening, hiding in the closet from death, but you know terror. (so yes and no of course).


but then this moment, right here, right now, this one, this exact one )cannot be compared to anything else, resembles nothing else, will never happen again, cannot be known, and(


Mostly I just feel the dopamine rush of pride, having used inverse parentheses, having never seen them before I feel special (parentheses, i think, are a zooming in, while the inverse is a zooming out).

This pride, I'm 95% - 15% + 5% - 25% x 0.98 percent sure is different from all other moments of pride I've experienced in my life. So todays pride is not yesterdays pride and todays human is not yesterdays human and so

of course the human is an abstraction then from the ever flowing continuously changing experience of whatever the fuck this is (universe = one song?). So this idea, this abstraction, this pattern we call human, well what does this pattern mean?

its just what overlaps with all off us. Human is what we share. its a collective thang. so by definition human is shared and not foreign.

and of course this abstraction is just a mechanical trick of the mind, making rules, finding patterns through pattern making rules and naming the pattern "human" this abstractions abstraction abstraction abstraction

you see, this point we call abstraction, I'm saying it important cause, even though every moment of all my prides are different, we call them all pride, even though none of them are the same cause the abstraction misses cause

Is even the experience of your abstraction steady? or does the abstraction itself change, moment to moment to


I tell you i could analyze anything to mean anything, thats why politics is completely fucked, cause you can  split the tomato into anything, I mean you just break all the facts up into millions of facts and you spread them out in the night sky and then you look for the constellations that comfort you, and man our handy dandy politicians with their Propaganda people and their focus groups, you know they know just the right constellations to draw for you fed by your news outlet and books and Facebook feed and oh god i love the the comforting world of constellations I've imagined out of this hell of a drug called abstraction

er

oh yeah

human is an abstraction meaning what is common to us, but cause every moment is different, nothing is common to us, except if you cut the tomato into a slice you'll find an abstraction of the tomato and you can name it whatever you want

but heres the thing

even your fucking knife is biased, and you'll never cut a tomato the same twice


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #25184474 - 05/04/18 07:03 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

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Rage, the desire to murder, the desire to rape or molest, being thrilled by torture, etc., etc. are extremely foreign to me.



I don't know man, I reckon I have felt mild forms of all these feelings in my time.

Like, if each one of these were on a spectrum, I've definitely touched *very slightly* upon the spectrum at some point (apart from rage - I used to be chock full 'o that shit).


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--Jac O'keeffe


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #25184639 - 05/04/18 08:21 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

“Homo sum et humani nihil a me alienum puto.” That's a good one. To realize the depth of your destructive potential and integrate it in a creative way, etc.


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Re: 'Nothing human is foreign to me' [Re: Middleman] * 1
    #25184679 - 05/04/18 08:37 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

Shit, I had the quote wrong all along!

Thread title should be 'I am human, and I think nothing of which is human is alien to me'


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--Jac O'keeffe


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