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ShivaYogi
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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: Dr. Freeman]
#25180239 - 05/02/18 03:50 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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ShivaMan said: Thinking that the folks in this thread can help me to figure out what happened here. This is my first time doing this kind of thing and I got some pre-made brown rice verm jars from midwest, injected them and they came out looking like:
i then made a bunch of my own jars just as the pf tek says with all of the rest the process being exactly the same and they are looking like: and
which apparently means that they are "bacterial". I am thinking that maybe the verm/brown rice ratio was too high in water. Not sure though. Any ideas?
Say you used a pre made jar for the first picture. I assume it has a nice filter and a SHIP (Self Healing Injection Port) You probably only use a ver barrier to keep contams out right? Is it medium verm or coarse? You use a PC or steam sterilize?
Not a nice filter, just some holes. The spore inoculation though into my holes went in much more easily then in the pre-made ones. Yes to verm barrier. Medium to fine verm. Steam sterilize.
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Whiskey Man
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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: ShivaYogi]
#25180330 - 05/02/18 04:43 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Midwest has decent product. They were my first project. Wanna show me some more images of that first jar/jars? Looks bacterial but it could either be your syringe or their stuff.
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ShivaYogi
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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: Whiskey Man]
#25180439 - 05/02/18 05:47 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whiskey Man said: Midwest has decent product. They were my first project. Wanna show me some more images of that first jar/jars? Looks bacterial but it could either be your syringe or their stuff.
Will take some and show when I get home. Don’t number 2 and 3 look bacterial though?
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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: ShivaYogi]
#25180516 - 05/02/18 06:32 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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They look fine to me 2-3. Just looks like moist mycelium judging by the pics. Bacterial cakes will still produce. one of the ways to find out is the smell once birthed, should smell like mushroom.
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Ziran
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picture 1 looks the best. nice and rhizo
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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: Ziran]
#25180590 - 05/02/18 07:26 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ziran said: picture 1 looks the best. nice and rhizo
Yes, exactly. All 16 of my Midwest premade jars look like that and all of the ones I made over two runs (32 jars) with all other factors being the same as number 1 end up looking like 2 and 3. Any idea how I can figure out how to make the jars I make come out all nice like number 1?
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Whiskey Man
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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: ShivaYogi]
#25180652 - 05/02/18 08:05 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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2 parts verm Add 1 part water Stir Add brf Stir Etc Pc 90 minutes. All you can do, all I do. Only had 2 contams so far.
And dont press it down. Just gotta let it fall in there and tap the glass a bit. Learned that the hard way.
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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: ShivaYogi]
#25180672 - 05/02/18 08:14 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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It happens to me as well.They are from MS syringe after all. I just spawn them along with the rest.
As far as why it is happening,.Maybe the mixture the pre made jars had was a different consistency/packed tighter or looser/moisture content different,etc.I've actually seen the myc more rhizo on some of my looser packed cakes,but could just be my situation.
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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: Whiskey Man]
#25180727 - 05/02/18 08:46 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushroomnate said: It happens to me as well.They are from MS syringe after all. I just spawn them along with the rest.
As far as why it is happening,.Maybe the mixture the pre made jars had was a different consistency/packed tighter or looser/moisture content different,etc.I've actually seen the myc more rhizo on some of my looser packed cakes,but could just be my situation.
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Whiskey Man said: 2 parts verm Add 1 part water Stir Add brf Stir Etc Pc 90 minutes. All you can do, all I do. Only had 2 contams so far.
And dont press it down. Just gotta let it fall in there and tap the glass a bit. Learned that the hard way.
only difference that i see, which may be a big one, is i steamed it rather than pc'd it.?.
i have 32 of the 1/2 pints that all pretty much look like my 2nd and 3rd picture. i know you said that using as cakes in a sgfc is the way to likely be most successful with them. You think taking a few of those 32 and using as spawn to try some shoeboxes is futile?
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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: ShivaYogi]
#25180738 - 05/02/18 08:53 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I never steamed nothing. PC all the way! Never did a shoebox.
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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: Whiskey Man]
#25180771 - 05/02/18 09:17 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have steamed my jars regularly without any issue. Me personally,I'd spawn every last cake. You'll get at least a flush or two from each box/tub.Spawning to shoeboxes would be a good way to play with bulk growing and not have everything invested into one or two big tubs.
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Speaking of spawning to shoeboxes. Redspore.(Thanks Hamloaf!)No top layer at spawn.I plan to case these at full colonization.
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Whiskey Man
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I never seem to snag those spore giveaways. Need some reds
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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: Whiskey Man]
#25180832 - 05/02/18 10:03 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Also youre going hard on those shoeboxes lately. My PE mini aughta fruit soon. Its in fruiting conditions.
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ShivaYogi
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mushroomnate said: I have steamed my jars regularly without any issue. Me personally,I'd spawn every last cake. You'll get at least a flush or two from each box/tub.Spawning to shoeboxes would be a good way to play with bulk growing and not have everything invested into one or two big tubs.
so you think even with my "ice cream" looking "bacterial" jars that look like this;
i'll be able to successfully shoe box?
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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: ShivaYogi]
#25180857 - 05/02/18 10:29 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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ShivaMan said:
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mushroomnate said: I have steamed my jars regularly without any issue. Me personally,I'd spawn every last cake. You'll get at least a flush or two from each box/tub.Spawning to shoeboxes would be a good way to play with bulk growing and not have everything invested into one or two big tubs.
so you think even with my "ice cream" looking "bacterial" jars that look like this;
i'll be able to successfully shoe box?
Take the foil off for colonization,btw. When you open them make sure they don't smell off.I've spawned some that look like that and haven't had a problem with them.These PE did fine.
@whiskeyman
Yea,been meaning to get a couple more minis,but been lazy,and shoeboxes were my OG way to go back in the day. Soon I'll have some tubs freed up. Can't wait to see how your PE turns out.The first of my PE shoeboxes did awesome.27qt is chugging along too,plus I have multiple tubs/boxes coming up. Even the one cake 2.5qt is looking good.
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Chugging along~
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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: Whiskey Man]
#25180869 - 05/02/18 10:35 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Any day now.
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Whiskey Man
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Yeah, it colonised the top layer fast and is moving through the casing now.
I have a bulk tub 62 qt of PE Its gonna need cased in like.. 3-4 days. Im excited as hell about that. Imagine it... A billion dicks...
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MadHatter333
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Nice guys! I’m getting ready to spawn three shoeboxes of Celtic Rust soon. Keep it up
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