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Trichoderma or bruising on PF TEK cakes?
    #25167966 - 04/26/18 11:43 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

Hello! I've got seven cakes in my SGFC right now. They've been in for almost 2 weeks. I've been misting and fanning twice, sometimes three times a day. After harvesting some pretty decent sized fruits last night to make spore prints, I notice what looks like Trichoderma on a few.

First three pics are of the same cake that I harvested from. The last one is to the left of the first cake and it has that same texture/growth, only it's white. Let me know what you all think. First I thought Trich, then I thought bruising because the color sort of matches the bruising on the remaining flesh of the fruit I harvested. When I dunked/rolled I didn't notice any nasty smells or any green mold growing on the cakes. Not 100% sure if I should toss. Thanks in advance!



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Re: Trichoderma or bruising on PF TEK cakes? [Re: RagonkTerramy]
    #25167982 - 04/26/18 11:51 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

Looks like bruising to me. You should be alright.


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Re: Trichoderma or bruising on PF TEK cakes? [Re: dont trust midgets]
    #25167991 - 04/26/18 11:55 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

You can stop with the fanning.  SGFC is designed to receive enough fresh air, automatically, so there is no need to fan.  Bruising is indicative of dryness.


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Re: Trichoderma or bruising on PF TEK cakes? [Re: hamloaf]
    #25167997 - 04/26/18 11:58 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

Sgfc's dry out cakes. You need to mist them often while allowing time between mistings for evaporation to occur.


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Re: Trichoderma or bruising on PF TEK cakes? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25168012 - 04/27/18 12:04 AM (3 years, 14 days ago)

It's not the chamber that dries out the cakes, it's poor procedure and improper use of the fruiting chamber that dries out cakes such as fanning cakes inside of an SGFC.


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Re: Trichoderma or bruising on PF TEK cakes? [Re: hamloaf]
    #25168066 - 04/27/18 12:33 AM (3 years, 14 days ago)

Sgfc's dry out cakes even without fanning. They are so airy it's basically the same as fruiting in open air.


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Re: Trichoderma or bruising on PF TEK cakes? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25168089 - 04/27/18 12:55 AM (3 years, 14 days ago)

No, fanning's purpose is to alleviate high RH, thus isn't the same thing as FAE, and is why fanning a SGFC is pointless, because by design an SGFC already receives enough FAE, automatically.

Molecules move closer together as they lose kinetic energy creating a low pressure that pulls air up, and into the perlite through the bottom holes.  This phenomenon is created by perlite being cooler than surrounding air keeping RH of chamber at, or above 55-85% RH.  It's a natural occurance that takes place with out the fanning.

Another bad procedure I see commonly occurring is foil squares being too large (which isn't occurring in this particular case) restricting the perlite from being able to do it's job of providing an ample microclimate to surface of cakes.  There is also never any mention of misting the perlite along with the cakes come time to mist.  Perlite should be misted in order to keep it hydrated.


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Re: Trichoderma or bruising on PF TEK cakes? [Re: hamloaf]
    #25168106 - 04/27/18 01:08 AM (3 years, 14 days ago)

I'm not arguing the purpose of fanning here. I'm arguing that sgfc's are shit design. They recieve so much FAE automatically that the result is dry perlite and dry cakes. I ran an sgfc for 6 months and during that time the only way I was able to keep the damn thing from drying out was by packing it full of cakes.

No there is no such thing as 'too much fae' but there is such a thing as getting so much airflow that you dry out your substrate.

The sgfc only works well when people mist frequently. We see people here almost every single day with blue dried out cakes asking what they are doing wrong. RR sold the sgfc as this magical chamber that doesn't require any maintainence yet time and time again people have dried out cakes in their chambers. The one exception to this is when people pack their chambers with cakes.


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No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit.

"The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT

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Re: Trichoderma or bruising on PF TEK cakes? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25168138 - 04/27/18 01:40 AM (3 years, 14 days ago)

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We see people here almost every single day with blue dried out cakes asking what they are doing wrong. RR sold the sgfc as this magical chamber that doesn't require any maintainence yet time and time again people have dried out cakes in their chambers. The one exception to this is when people pack their chambers with cakes.




Cakes with plenty of misting in a SGFC where I was misting like 4-6 times a day.



And lets note, that even some of the cakes next to them have some bruising.

A not as full SGFC, Same SGFC as the above cakes, Where I misted 2-4 times a day.



And here is the hybrid design. Misting 1-3 times a day.









Some 2nd Flush Pictures



When the chamber started, I had three cakes in it. then it grew to 9-10. So, as the cake amount grew, the flushes improved, Which the same can be said for a SGFC, But unless you keep up on misting, Your gonna end up with blue cakes in a sgfc and poor flushes.


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Re: Trichoderma or bruising on PF TEK cakes? [Re: Ziran]
    #25168511 - 04/27/18 08:53 AM (3 years, 13 days ago)

Thank you all so much for the input. I'll stop fanning and mist more. This set of cakes is going while I wait for my grain jars (mad props to elastictiger for the tiger drop!) to fully colonize. 

Here's a pic of three caps I took out of my SAB after spore printing so you all can see the first fruits of this flush. Posting from phone so apologies for formatting issues.


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