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Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets.
    #25166602 - 04/26/18 11:23 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

So this is my second attempt, my first attempt there was a lot more water than this time. I consulted the forum here and came to the conclusion that it was probably ruined and I should try again.

  Here we go with my second attempt. My first attempt I had used some of that plastic micropore tape that melted and foil over top so I guess that's how water got in. This time I used some blue masking tape and put some paper bags on top and then foil on top of that. Set my pressure cooker to 15 pounds and let it run for about and hour and fifteen. Let it stay over night before taking them out.

  So I just took them out. There is much much less water. But you can see jars still have some water droplets especially around the top where the lid is. I can try to get pictures but my question just from the description is.

  Is the batch ruined or is it safe to inoculate the substrate?

  Thank You! <3

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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: Eddtheru17]
    #25166611 - 04/26/18 11:27 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

You don't need to tape over your holes, Foil is plenty to stop water from dripping into your holes. It's removed when you innoc, Dry verm is your filter from then on.

It sounds like the small amount you describe is fine, but I can't be exactly sure without pictures. A couple droplets under the foil, or a little condensation on the glass is fine.

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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: Eddtheru17]
    #25166617 - 04/26/18 11:29 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Lose the paper bags. Definitely shouldn’t be any pooled or standing water but condensation on the glass is normal and can appear and disappear throughout colonization. A post on this forum without pictures is almost worthless.

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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: Neowynd8]
    #25166619 - 04/26/18 11:31 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Alright, thanks guys. I will try to get pics here soon.

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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: Eddtheru17]
    #25166796 - 04/26/18 12:58 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I took a few pictures but when I try uploading them the files are too large? Anyway to fix this?

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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: Eddtheru17]
    #25166851 - 04/26/18 01:31 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Take a lower resolution picture

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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: Eddtheru17]
    #25166904 - 04/26/18 02:00 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

You can also download paint.net which is a free open source software, "just don't download the addons you don't want".
Select picture in your folder by right clicking then select "open with" then select paint.net.
When opened, click "image" on the top. Then select "resize" and it will scale the picture down showing how many KB or MB you would like to resize it at. I'm sure other software can do it but found this one to be a good professional, free editor that is intuitive enough for the layman to use.


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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: R.I.P.Zappa]
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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: Eddtheru17]
    #25167157 - 04/26/18 04:01 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

The condensation is fine, but what happened to your dry verm layer? Typically you fill the jar from the threads up with verm for a filter. Are you using a lid filter?

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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: LtLurker]
    #25167168 - 04/26/18 04:05 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I have no idea, it still looks very dry at the top. I guess it all sank down? I put my substrate in very loosely, I did fill it all the way to the top so I have no idea how it turned out like that. My first attempt didn't do that. o.0

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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: Eddtheru17]
    #25167191 - 04/26/18 04:18 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I make mine as loose as I can to and never seen that happen. Maybe remake at this point, if you try to just top it off and re-sterilize your needle might not reach past that deeper verm layer it would make.

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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: LtLurker]
    #25167315 - 04/26/18 05:20 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Some are more full than others. I think I will inoculate one just to see if it works.

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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: Eddtheru17]
    #25167352 - 04/26/18 05:38 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Besides, what difference will it make if it's a little sunk in anyway?

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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: Eddtheru17]
    #25167363 - 04/26/18 05:41 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

If the spores don't get into the mix layer with BRF, they might not germinate and spread out correctly.

If you get the Dry verm layer too wet, it'll wick contams into your mixed layer.

With the extra head space, your verm layer could shift off to the side and fail to cover the mix layer below, allowing contams in.

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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: Eddtheru17]
    #25167364 - 04/26/18 05:42 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

If you have no verm filter and unfiltered holes for gas exchange, contams will flow in freely.

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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: Neowynd8]
    #25167424 - 04/26/18 06:00 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Most likely will contaminate, you basically sealed the jars and had no way for pressure to sterilize the air inside the jars. The holes allow air inside jar to vent out, sealing them with bags and tape basically turns it into a canning process. foil is simply to keep water from dripping into them


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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: Ama420]
    #25167434 - 04/26/18 06:04 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

damn it. Alright, I guess I can just add another layer of dry verm on top and then put em back in the pressure cooker. 3rd time's the charm?

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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: Eddtheru17]
    #25167444 - 04/26/18 06:09 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Good Luck man. You'll get it.

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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: LtLurker]
    #25167534 - 04/26/18 06:40 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks Buddy! I just put em' in! I'll let you know how everything goes tomorrow! :laugh:

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Re: Is this alright? My BRF jars have water droplets. [Re: Eddtheru17]
    #25167540 - 04/26/18 06:42 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

The pressure on first cycle packed all the substrate in the jars, they need loosened not more material added


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