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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo]
    #25165304 - 04/25/18 06:58 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I agree, the pathogens must be limited, the outer layer causes a fermentation process, which causes the seed to become contaminated.
the spagnum must work well
but trying to be careful with the seeds from the beginning.
the coconut ensures retention of moisture, I have heard that there are people who activate the seeds with ga3 but it is only necessary, the important thing would be in this case to do the process well from the beginning.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: abraxxas]
    #25165376 - 04/25/18 07:27 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I cleaned my berries in 1 part h2o2 to 4 parts water. Then just rinses them off. They had been in the post for a while amd they came coveres in white fungus. Now i got like 20 seedlings.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25165393 - 04/25/18 07:35 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

It's good enough to know your success in germination.
It is more than advisable to go through the oven the substrate is the one that is used, it is guaranteed harmlessness of the soil, of some contamination by fungi
I have had numerous losses because of nematodes that feed from inside the seeds, basically they eat it from the inside out.
One pass to the oven for half an hour or 15 minutes in the microwave


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: abraxxas]
    #25165466 - 04/25/18 08:05 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

So I just checked my bush and just decided to make good coca-growing practices, I've done apical pruning in 6 branches in order to increase its volume, it will take a while to retire but the idea is to form more ramifications.
I have seen shrubs that prune them every month to form them and they are almost in the bones
I wanted to add and that is when a raspachin (person who harvests coca leaves) prunes a coca plant, the plant is quarantined automatically, not ill I mean that it recovers, the reaction of the plant is in a few days and even a few weeks in flowering, then where there were only branches when harvesting outomaticamente happens to flowering, is a method of inducing forced flowering, of course with a large number of probability of seeds.
I have already put this technique into practice sometimes.


with the prunings I have made a tea with ginger, salvia divinorum for a sore throat, mixing some favorite plants

general and curious, I have coca paste here are over the counter and it is legal to buy it, it is super good for rheumatism, cough, cold, joint pain, bruising, knots etc, pomada de coca




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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: abraxxas]
    #25165484 - 04/25/18 08:11 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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So I just checked my bush and just decided to make good coca-growing practices, I've done apical pruning in 6 branches in order to increase its volume, it will take a while to retire but the idea is to form more ramifications.
I have seen shrubs that prune them every month to form them and they are almost in the bones
I wanted to add and that is when a raspachin (person who harvests coca leaves) prunes a coca plant, the plant is quarantined automatically, not ill I mean that it recovers, the reaction of the plant is in a few days and even a few weeks in flowering, then where there were only branches when harvesting outomaticamente happens to flowering, is a method of inducing forced flowering, of course with a large number of probability of seeds.
I have already put this technique into practice sometimes.


with the prunings I have made a tea with ginger, salvia divinorum for a sore throat, mixing some favorite plants

general and curious, I have coca paste here are over the counter and it is legal to buy it, it is super good for rheumatism, cough, cold, joint pain, bruising, knots etc, pomada de coca







Thats is very awesome man. I had an ointment with marijuana oil in it. Mydad loves it. Then my sister got a hold of it and bam it went like that.

Good stuff buddy:grampofapproval:


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25166471 - 04/26/18 10:04 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)




Is a wild tree


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: abraxxas]
    #25166563 - 04/26/18 11:03 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Is a wild tree




Man how cool is that? Most of us have to pray that we could grow such grandiose trees. You can just be like oh there is one of theose coca weeds. I envy you bro.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25166846 - 04/26/18 01:28 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah that is quite cool.

Ferrel, you can make some DIY ointment with some nice plants and give your father some for the hard days.
Im sure you have some nice ingredints growing around the garden.
And add some essential aromatic oils, maybe Lipa can steam destill some nice ones.
You guys can make a product, sell some and get stupidly much money.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo] * 2
    #25167068 - 04/26/18 03:07 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Hello friends, I have given myself a delicacy today, with the pleasure of sharing with you harvest some seeds of coca already suitable for sowing, the work that awaits me will be much

I have also taken a few cuts of coca, I intend to root, I have moistened and left in rooting hormone, the stems are semi mature, they have still green branches, I have not cut the leaves, just scraped a little stems cut h at 45 ° and left in coconut peat (high humidity retention)
I have two types of coca of several plants, I suspect that one is coca erythroxylum. and another novo

I have left them in a moisture trap along with the salvia divinorum.
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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: abraxxas]
    #25167155 - 04/26/18 03:58 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Must be nice. They look like my chile del,monte chilis. Very delicious. :homerdrool:


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25167213 - 04/26/18 04:26 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Well someone living in Colombia is obviously a great addition to this thread! Wonderful pictures! It seems that you will be growing a coca field in no time. I once saw a couple of Erythroxylum trees in a local botanical garden's conservatory, so it is possible to grow them big, even in Europe. I wonder how big they would eventually grow though. Is it common to see large Erythroxylum trees over there, Abraxxas?

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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Poison Drink]
    #25167356 - 04/26/18 05:39 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

brothers, I would like to know if any of you has had success with coca cuttings, which methods of rooting is the most ideal.
I have around 15 cuts, an Indian has told me that I only sow them vertically and leave them on the ground, even if they delay they are successful. but I do not know the truth of his words
Any method of rooting would be well received, thanks for takipoison drink To answer your question, I would have to say that I have seen completely large trees as close to a tree of 5-6 meters, of coca, they grow indiscriminately and massively in high temperatures, and warm.
Of course it takes a while for a tree to get that size, it would be decades of growth, if the soils are ideal, a tree can live more than 100 years
  It is usual to run into coca bushes in my city, they eventually camouflage themselves with the foliage while others are unfortunate enough to be eradicated.ng your time.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: abraxxas]
    #25167594 - 04/26/18 06:59 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Those trees in the botanical garden were at least 4 meters tall. They were full of seeds, but sadly out of reach. Otherwise some seeds might have accidentally fallen into my pocket. :rolleyes:

I never had any luck trying to root cuttings. The leaves would look healthy even after a couple of months in a mini greenhouse, but eventually they still fell off. No roots were ever produced. But I do know it's possible.. Do the coca farmers always start new plants from seed? I believe you're in an advantaged position to gather more information about rooting cuttings.

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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Poison Drink]
    #25167625 - 04/26/18 07:12 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Do the coca farmers always start new plants from seed? I believe you're in an advantaged position to gather more information about rooting cuttings.




Exactly as stated. Ive never had success and poison drink is right. You are thw missing ingredient here. We all lack skills unlike you. Any skills you lack can quickly,be acquired talking to,locals, no? Hope,you stick around.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25167881 - 04/26/18 09:04 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I could talk to an indigenous person in my city to instruct me on the subject or a local coca grower. I would like to deepen
I have another question . brothers, how do you store your seeds?
I have around 150 seeds and I have soaked them all in water / peroxide and I have thought to change the water every 3 days
but if there is any way to store them it would be good
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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: abraxxas]
    #25167978 - 04/26/18 09:49 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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I have around 150 seeds and I have soaked them all in water / peroxide...




Problems i wish i had. Mine are,good at,the moment. I dont believe you can store them that long. Mine survived weeks in transit but long term? Who knows. Im,sure ypu can get more,if they go,bad.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25169216 - 04/27/18 12:57 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

My babies today.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25169638 - 04/27/18 04:11 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I have read you can store coca berries at 10 degrees celcius to keep them good for some time and still be viable.
It was written in some coca growers handbook i read but i have never tryed it myself.

Regarding cuttings i also have tried many times and failed.
The only times i have seen it working was with some thicker cuttings and never with the thinner branches i have tryed with.
Maybe it must be some older or semi old braches.
I tryed air layering with moist coco around a branch i had injured/scraped off some bark, on one of my plants and it was on there for a couple of months (2 to 3 months).
There was no roots formed but one could see it formed a callus where i scraped the bark off.
It might had worked if i had left it on for longer time but my plants got a bug problem and i had to remove the air-layer thing.

It would be real intresting to hear what a coca grower says about making coca cuttings work and get roots developed.
I have given up with cuttings and going to try tissue culture/micropropagation now.
If it works, that could mean lots of coca plants.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25171440 - 04/28/18 10:40 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Wow, that's all really cool abraxxas :laugh:

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My babies today.





:greenthumb: :greenthumb:

... it's very early to call but I think I am already seeing enthousiastic new growth since I supplemented with those minerals. It's quite possible the soil I used was a bit depleted and they do say that coca's can be sensitive to this, particularly at a certain age perhaps..

If it turns out it's bad somehow I will of course post. :smile: For one, it's not ideal that the magnesium / calcium is alkaline and acts as a buffer of the wrong kind.
Next time I water I will pour a little quick to have some water drain and run off and I will pH test that.

Do you have to acclimatize plants less if for example you put Novo's in humid air where they should like it? I guess it's not too dry here at the moment so the difference shouldn't be that big anyway, but in general?

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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Solipsis]
    #25171835 - 04/28/18 01:54 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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... it's very early to call but I think I am already seeing enthousiastic new growth since I supplemented with those minerals. It's quite possible the soil I used was a bit depleted and they do say that coca's can be sensitive to this, particularly at a certain age perhaps..

If it turns out it's bad somehow I will of course post. :smile: For one, it's not ideal that the magnesium / calcium is alkaline and acts as a buffer of the wrong kind.
Next time I water I will pour a little quick to have some water drain and run off and I will pH test that.

Do you have to acclimatize plants less if for example you put Novo's in humid air where they should like it? I guess it's not too dry here at the moment so the difference shouldn't be that big anyway, but in general?




Thats where im at right now. . new incoming leaves are somewhat yellowish but i know most new growth starts like this. I got some espoma liquid fertilizer Start. And it seems lile a good product. Got it for 2 bucks,so im,not upset about it.

When i do their repot i will leave them there in the containor and acclimate next days off.


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