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LC directly to bulk - I know its been brought up alot, but I have questions.
    #25162161 - 04/24/18 11:40 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I know this subject has been brought up a few times (probably beaten to death) but I wanted to ask a few questions about methods and teks.

I understand that inoculating bulk substrate (coco/verm) directly from LC has been tried by others with varying results, most often resulting in failure.  And I also understand LC is notorious for hiding contams, but if you dialed in your LC technique and eliminated contams would this method not work? My big question is what is causing the majority of LC to Bulk failures?  Is it because grain spawn has more inoculation points than LC when colonizing the substrate? And by having more inoculation points you are speeding up colonization times which in turn reduces your contam rates?

If this is this case, has anybody tried inoculating sterilized perlite or verm with LC and then spawning that medium to the bulk substrate? Would that not speed up colonizing times because you have increased the amount of inoculation points?

I don't know what I am missing, but I am curious to know why grain spawn to bulk is pretty much the only "tired and true" method people use.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.


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Re: LC directly to bulk - I know its been brought up alot, but I have questions. [Re: Delection]
    #25162197 - 04/24/18 11:55 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Inoculating bulk substrate material alone with LC won't work.  Bulk substrate will need to be fortified with hydrated grains in order for there to be enough nutrition in order to carry out a flush. 

Use acceptable spawn to bulk ratios when figuring how much hydrated grains to add to bulk substrate materials.  Said substrates will need to be sterilized and inoculated inside of sterile conditions, as well.


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Re: LC directly to bulk - I know its been brought up alot, but I have questions. [Re: hamloaf]
    #25162237 - 04/24/18 12:09 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Inoculating bulk substrate material alone with LC won't work.  Bulk substrate will need to be fortified with hydrated grains in order for there to be enough nutrition in order to carry out a flush. 

Use acceptable spawn to bulk ratios when figuring how much hydrated grains to add to bulk substrate materials.  Said substrates will need to be sterilized and inoculated inside of sterile conditions, as well.




So if I understand you correctly the main reason that LC to Bulk doesnt work effectively is that there is not enough nutrition for the mycelium to colonize the bulk without the grain?  Is the coco/verm not have enough nutritional value on its own?  What if you inoculated gypsum or pasteurized coffee ground with LC to add  nutritional value, then spawned to bulk?

I am pretty proficient with the 50/50 coir technique spawning grain to monotubs, I was just curious to know if there was any validity or possibility to run spawn differently without grain.


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Re: LC directly to bulk - I know its been brought up alot, but I have questions. [Re: Delection] * 1
    #25162281 - 04/24/18 12:25 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Inoculating bulk substrate material alone with LC won't work.  Bulk substrate will need to be fortified with hydrated grains in order for there to be enough nutrition in order to carry out a flush. 

Use acceptable spawn to bulk ratios when figuring how much hydrated grains to add to bulk substrate materials.  Said substrates will need to be sterilized and inoculated inside of sterile conditions, as well.




So if I understand you correctly the main reason that LC to Bulk doesnt work effectively is that there is not enough nutrition for the mycelium to colonize the bulk without the grain?  Is the coco/verm not have enough nutritional value on its own?  What if you inoculated gypsum or pasteurized coffee ground with LC to add  nutritional value, then spawned to bulk?

I am pretty proficient with the 50/50 coir technique spawning grain to monotubs, I was just curious to know if there was any validity or possibility to run spawn differently without grain.




Coco and verm supply (MOSTLY) water, the grains are the source of nutrition. It's like asking how long will I be happy and thriving in a room with unlimited source of drinking water and no food?

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Re: LC directly to bulk - I know its been brought up alot, but I have questions. [Re: mushhiehunter]
    #25162309 - 04/24/18 12:37 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I think you misunderstand what LC is for. You noc up Grains with it so it's colonized faster, then spawn out to bulk. Grains are food, bulk subs are not. Mushies need food.

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Re: LC directly to bulk - I know its been brought up alot, but I have questions. [Re: LtLurker]
    #25162335 - 04/24/18 12:49 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

If thats the case, has anybody directly inoculated an hpoo/straw substrate with LC, or some variant of multi point LC innoculant directly to a nutrient rich substrate.


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Re: LC directly to bulk - I know its been brought up alot, but I have questions. [Re: Delection]
    #25162345 - 04/24/18 12:55 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

No Idea. Lets cut to the chase though. Why? Why going everywhere except the grains we all know works. No Pc? Make BRF cakes. Small mods and you can pour LC into them.

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Re: LC directly to bulk - I know its been brought up alot, but I have questions. [Re: Delection]
    #25162358 - 04/24/18 01:00 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Even if it worked, you're almost guaranteed to get piss poor results, for the reasons Ham stated. Waste of LC.

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Re: LC directly to bulk - I know its been brought up alot, but I have questions. [Re: LtLurker]
    #25162366 - 04/24/18 01:06 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I'm just trying to figure out if it's possible, alternatives and the science behind it.


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Re: LC directly to bulk - I know its been brought up alot, but I have questions. [Re: Delection]
    #25162375 - 04/24/18 01:12 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I'd rather do science and shit that I suspect can at least have the potential for bringing good results.

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