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JuniorMajesty
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2 different strains in bulk substrate
#21505433 - 04/05/15 09:20 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just wondering if there is any problem with putting 2 different strains in 1 bulk substrate. I have 2 different varieties colonized was hoping to get x amount of each but not all jars or bags were clean:(
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Re: 2 different strains in bulk substrate [Re: JuniorMajesty]
#21505500 - 04/05/15 09:38 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nope, no problem. Cubes will be compatible with cubes.
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Re: 2 different strains in bulk substrate [Re: Achillita]
#21505520 - 04/05/15 09:46 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice thank you kindly:) Sky On!!!
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DidYouSetItToWumbo
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Re: 2 different strains in bulk substrate [Re: Achillita]
#21505522 - 04/05/15 09:46 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you are talking about mixing the two strains together in a monotub or some sort of similar set up it will reduce your overall yield. The two strains will fight eachother for nutrients so you will still get fruits but they will be much less than what you would get if you were dealing with one strain all interconnected throughout the bulk substrate.
If you know which strains are in which jars you can create a divider in your bulk and separate out the strains so that they don't compete with eachother.
I recently made this mistake mixing B+ and A+. The A+ basically took over the monotub and had some pretty large fruits, while the B+ only gave very small fruits. Still got just over an ounce dried but I definitely would have gotten more had I made the tub only A+ or vice versa.
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DidYouSetItToWumbo said: If you are talking about mixing the two strains together in a monotub or some sort of similar set up it will reduce your overall yield. The two strains will fight eachother for nutrients so you will still get fruits but they will be much less than what you would get if you were dealing with one strain all interconnected throughout the bulk substrate.
Please ignore this nonsense.....strains of the same species do not "fight each other for nutrients", they usually grow together in harmony....any MS syringe has multiple sets of genetics that all grow together anyways, if you were looking for proof......the name some vendor labeled a certain group of spores means little...
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Edited by PussyFart (04/05/15 09:51 AM)
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Re: 2 different strains in bulk substrate [Re: PussyFart]
#21505562 - 04/05/15 09:57 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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DidYouSetItToWumbo said: If you are talking about mixing the two strains together in a monotub or some sort of similar set up it will reduce your overall yield. The two strains will fight eachother for nutrients so you will still get fruits but they will be much less than what you would get if you were dealing with one strain all interconnected throughout the bulk substrate.
Please ignore this nonsense.....strains of the same species do not "fight each other for nutrients", they usually grow together in harmony....any MS syringe has multiple sets of genetics that all grow together......
I believe you but that has not been my experience with mixing different strains of cubes. So a A+ and B+ mixed monotub (just for reference) in a perfect world should produce equal sized fruits and equal yield/potency to a monotub with one strain ?
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Each pair of spores are technically a strain. What spore's are labelled as are usually just effects the looks of the mushroom, with some genetic similarities. It all goes back to genetics if they'll produce equal sided fruits or potency or ect. Did you just mix one side next to each other or both strains thoroughly through the bulk sub?
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Re: 2 different strains in bulk substrate [Re: Achillita]
#21505613 - 04/05/15 10:11 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Achillita said: Each pair of spores are technically a strain. What spore's are labelled as are usually just effects the looks of the mushroom, with some genetic similarities. It all goes back to genetics if they'll produce equal sided fruits or potency or ect. Did you just mix one side next to each other or both strains thoroughly through the bulk sub?
Mixed it all thoroughly together, that is what I figured OP was referring to doing.
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DidYouSetItToWumbo said:
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PussyFart said:
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DidYouSetItToWumbo said: If you are talking about mixing the two strains together in a monotub or some sort of similar set up it will reduce your overall yield. The two strains will fight eachother for nutrients so you will still get fruits but they will be much less than what you would get if you were dealing with one strain all interconnected throughout the bulk substrate.
Please ignore this nonsense.....strains of the same species do not "fight each other for nutrients", they usually grow together in harmony....any MS syringe has multiple sets of genetics that all grow together......
I believe you but that has not been my experience with mixing different strains of cubes. So a A+ and B+ mixed monotub (just for reference) in a perfect world should produce equal sized fruits and equal yield/potency to a monotub with one strain ?
Did you mix two isolates, or a bunch of random genetics?
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Achillita
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It was just genetics which caused the difference in the types of fruits. It wasn't because they were separate strains.
I'm pretty sure he's talking about 2 MS cube strains.
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Re: 2 different strains in bulk substrate [Re: Achillita]
#21505667 - 04/05/15 10:21 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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PussyFart said:
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DidYouSetItToWumbo said:
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PussyFart said:
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DidYouSetItToWumbo said: If you are talking about mixing the two strains together in a monotub or some sort of similar set up it will reduce your overall yield. The two strains will fight eachother for nutrients so you will still get fruits but they will be much less than what you would get if you were dealing with one strain all interconnected throughout the bulk substrate.
Please ignore this nonsense.....strains of the same species do not "fight each other for nutrients", they usually grow together in harmony....any MS syringe has multiple sets of genetics that all grow together......
I believe you but that has not been my experience with mixing different strains of cubes. So a A and B mixed monotub (just for reference) in a perfect world should produce equal sized fruits and equal yield/potency to a monotub with one strain ?
Did you mix two isolates, or a bunch of random genetics?
Indeed two separate MS cube strains.
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silverstem
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Lol u can't just think its bad because of 2 MS variety's combined.... Genetics is key... 2 verities does not produce less fruits.
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Re: 2 different strains in bulk substrate [Re: silverstem]
#21505709 - 04/05/15 10:31 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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silverstem said: Lol u can't just think its bad because of 2 MS variety's combined.... Genetics is key... 2 verities does not produce less fruits.
Thanks for your wise words.
Edited by DidYouSetItToWumbo (04/05/15 10:32 AM)
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i do this dumb shit all the time, agreed with pussyfart
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Re: 2 different strains in bulk substrate [Re: cronicr] 1
#21506057 - 04/05/15 12:11 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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You have 100s of strains in a single b+ grow from spores. Makes no difference if you throw in any other variety the spores have no idea they have different names attached to them they behave exactly the same.
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Re: 2 different strains in bulk substrate [Re: JuniorMajesty]
#25160435 - 04/23/18 05:22 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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When separated they grow together just fine! In this tray, A.P.E.s on the bottom; P.E.S.A.s on the top. From an experimental standpoint, would have to say that different races do grow separately; which I could see effecting yield when stratified together in a bulk sub. The mycelial network never connected between the two. Probably due to variables like growth rate and mycelial structure.
Pic below. Will post pics in a week after first fruiting cycle.
You would have better luck mixing two similar varieties in a bulk sub. For instance, two Thai strains would be inclined to have similar characteristics. Am sure they have grown together successfully in the wild.
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Re: 2 different strains in bulk substrate [Re: Dr.Greenthumbs]
#25160513 - 04/23/18 05:54 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Does this only apply to Ms where yield is not affected and not apply to mixing for instance two different varieties of cubes you've cloned to agar?
I've read it's possible that this can in fact create a new variety if the two mycellium do twine together in the colonization of the sub, is this true ?
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Re: 2 different strains in bulk substrate [Re: Enkidu]
#25160532 - 04/23/18 06:04 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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When they mix 2 varieties, they have to get mono karyotic Mycellium (mycellium from a single spore) going for each variety and attempt to mate the two. MS has shit tons of spores that already mated before the 2 varietys are even mixed in substrate, preventing any inter-variety mating.
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Re: 2 different strains in bulk substrate [Re: LtLurker]
#25160548 - 04/23/18 06:10 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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What about usng clones from agar and not MS when mixing in tubs ?
I have a bunch I accidently fucked up and nixted together, wondering if it's possible they will shoot me a new variety
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Re: 2 different strains in bulk substrate [Re: Enkidu]
#25160553 - 04/23/18 06:14 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nah it's the same thing man. That clone mycellium has already mated. They may over grow each other, but they won't combine into a new variety.
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