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Re: The Presence of Mescaline in Opuntia cylindrica [Re: durian_2008]
    #25157691 - 04/22/18 12:53 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

If you do think that Opuntia cylindrica might contain mesc as the paper says, maybe you should try test it.
Since mesc isn´t found in any other Opuntias at higher levels, i feel it is a high chance it is a misidentification as Naum pointed out.
But the only way to know for sure is to test it, either by some chemical test or by eating some.
If you are going to eat some, i would do some research on opuntias first so there isnt any bad stuff known to be in similar opuntias.


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Re: The Presence of Mescaline in Opuntia cylindrica [Re: Mateo]
    #25157725 - 04/22/18 01:14 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Does someone have access to a machine, or what is a reasonable way to test, for mesc, without just eating random stuff?

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Re: The Presence of Mescaline in Opuntia cylindrica [Re: durian_2008]
    #25157771 - 04/22/18 01:42 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

If it contain 0.9% mesc, you should be able to taste same bitter taste as with a tricho.
There probably are some easier chemical tests one can do, try google it.
To send for lab testing probably is quite expensive.

Maybe one of those diy tests one can buy to test drugs.
Choose the one for stimulating amphethamines.
Should work, in theory at least.


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Re: The Presence of Mescaline in Opuntia cylindrica [Re: Mateo]
    #25158189 - 04/22/18 04:45 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Noone, here, has access to the equipment? I will donate the material.

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Re: The Presence of Mescaline in Opuntia cylindrica [Re: durian_2008]
    #25159144 - 04/23/18 02:01 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

This is Austrocylindropuntia cylindrica (Opuntia cylindrica is a very old name).

This is Austrocylindropuntia subulata.

Once you see them, there's no way to confuse them. :wink:


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Re: The Presence of Mescaline in Opuntia cylindrica [Re: LSoares]
    #25159809 - 04/23/18 12:07 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

San Pedro doesn't have succulent, leaf like structures or long thorns. In it's mature form, there will be obvious ridges, and it prones toward blue-ish skin, for starters.

Look, I have already, separately found cheap field tests, as well as computerized, which could satisfy my academic curiosity.

These can be published, formally, and still critiqued by casual lookie-lous, who made no material or financial contribution to the effort.

One of the problems with the free marketplace of ideas, and free speech, and idle chatter, is that talk is cheap. There are no stakeholders, without organization, so no credibility, no matter how rigorous my standards. :shrug:

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Re: The Presence of Mescaline in Opuntia cylindrica [Re: durian_2008]
    #25160406 - 04/23/18 05:11 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I have this plant.


Is this a Opuntia cylindrica?


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Re: The Presence of Mescaline in Opuntia cylindrica [Re: Mateo]
    #25160657 - 04/23/18 06:51 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

most likely subulata monstrose

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Re: The Presence of Mescaline in Opuntia cylindrica [Re: Feroxx]
    #25161452 - 04/24/18 01:47 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: The Presence of Mescaline in Opuntia cylindrica [Re: LSoares]
    #25161697 - 04/24/18 06:33 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Tnx for the ID

Austrocylindropuntia subulata f. monstrosa is a large tree-like cactus, up to 13 feet (4 m) tall with round cylindrical joints, up to 1.6 feet (50 cm) tall and up to 2 inches (5 cm) thick.
The green leaves are nearly cylindrical, up to 2 inches (5 cm) long.
The spines are light yellow, up to 6 inches (15 cm) long.
The flowers are red, up to 4 inches (10 cm) long.

Oh my, can get 4 meters tall.
And spines 15cm long, that can´t be correct. 
It does have some strange differently looking parts, the monstrose i guess.


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Re: The Presence of Mescaline in Opuntia cylindrica [Re: Mateo]
    #25166007 - 04/26/18 02:58 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

FWIW, I've never seen the monstrose form get that big. The "normal" form, however, can indeed get huge, and one of those spines was responsible for the nastiest stabbing I've had in nearly 40 years of growing cacti...


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