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flyhighfunguy


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Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk.
#25151324 - 04/19/18 05:35 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hi everyone, a few days ago i dunked my shoeboxes and then dub tubbed them. I let the surfaces of them dry off for about a day or two before starting to mist again which is what was recommended by a few members here.
What i am noticing, is it is very difficult to see the beads of moisture now. I have to shine a light and get my face very close to the side of the tub in order to kind of see them. I can no longer just look at the surface and easily see the beads everywhere. Im worried im going to over/under mist because of how difficult it is to see the moisture now.
Is this normal? Should i have waited longer before starting misting? I asked a few people here and they all told me to start misting again after a day or two.
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Edited by flyhighfunguy (04/23/18 09:50 AM)
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25151378 - 04/19/18 05:52 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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those are some gnarly stumps. I heard they can cause contams or just rot and make everything look gross idk. Looks like you had some big fruits tho
Just give it just a few days to get readjusted and it'll bead up easier on the surface.
Your myc is just drinking the water rn.
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: misterswisher]
#25153974 - 04/20/18 06:15 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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misterswisher said: those are some gnarly stumps. I heard they can cause contams or just rot and make everything look gross idk. Looks like you had some big fruits tho
Just give it just a few days to get readjusted and it'll bead up easier on the surface.
Your myc is just drinking the water rn.
Some people have told me that but I’ve also seen that they just revert back to mycelium. So far it seems like they are just fluffing back up.
And alright sweet, i was worried that I was over saturating the surface or something, I’ll just give it a little more time and continue lightly misting. Thanks for the response
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25154182 - 04/20/18 08:34 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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After I dunked mine, it was fine for a couple days, then started drying out around the edges. I had to heavily mist in those areas, I got really close to the sub and soaked it, and the substrate absorbed it, then it seemed like every day I was misting, some days heavily. Just don’t let the water pool up, mine did a little bit but then it was absorbed fairly soon. Just got to get a feel for how to care for it.
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: Cybin_man] 1
#25154190 - 04/20/18 08:38 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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generally after a dunk you don't really have to observe any conditions. the extra added water does the trick with very little observation needed. its almost self sustaining. if you see any pooling water at the bottom that might have been missed. just dump the excess out. generally dunking will look just like what your showing. then fuzz up white a few days later and repin. its a little faster turnover between flushes than misting.
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: eatyualive]
#25154316 - 04/20/18 10:16 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think my problem was that I didn’t let it soak very long. I think I did like 2 or 3 hours because I didn’t want it to sit in water over night and have to deal with it before work the next day. Next time I’m going to try to get atleast 5 hours.
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: eatyualive]
#25156482 - 04/21/18 09:02 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: generally after a dunk you don't really have to observe any conditions. the extra added water does the trick with very little observation needed. its almost self sustaining. if you see any pooling water at the bottom that might have been missed. just dump the excess out. generally dunking will look just like what your showing. then fuzz up white a few days later and repin. its a little faster turnover between flushes than misting.
Oh wow i just saw this. So now that i dunked it i shouldnt need to mist it whatsoever?
I've been giving it a light misting 1-2 times a day because i was told you still needed to maintain surface conditions after a dunk. Will that cause me any problems you think?
So after a dunk i dont need to watch for beads of moisture anymore?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HskufFlXEo4
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25087128/page/1
Edited by flyhighfunguy (04/21/18 09:02 PM)
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25158610 - 04/22/18 08:04 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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flyhighfunguy said:
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eatyualive said: generally after a dunk you don't really have to observe any conditions. the extra added water does the trick with very little observation needed. its almost self sustaining. if you see any pooling water at the bottom that might have been missed. just dump the excess out. generally dunking will look just like what your showing. then fuzz up white a few days later and repin. its a little faster turnover between flushes than misting.
Oh wow i just saw this. So now that i dunked it i shouldnt need to mist it whatsoever?
I've been giving it a light misting 1-2 times a day because i was told you still needed to maintain surface conditions after a dunk. Will that cause me any problems you think?
So after a dunk i dont need to watch for beads of moisture anymore?
Bump 
I just want to make sure im not gonna completely dry out the surface and mess things up by not misting at all.
Even if i don't see beads of moisture on the surface i dont need to mist at all after dunking? I weighed the shoebox down under water for 2 hours.
I've had a few people tell me that i should continue misting to maintain surface conditions thats why i just want to make sure.
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25087128/page/1
Edited by flyhighfunguy (04/22/18 08:04 PM)
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25158629 - 04/22/18 08:13 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Naw as eat said, if you just leave it it will pin and fruit.
I usually mist mainly to try and keep it form developing side pins and pinning on the bottom cause it annoys me. So I attempt to keep the surface conditions on top more favorable, but as eat said, if you rehydrate it and leave it with just a dub it will fruit again.
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: Enkidu]
#25158638 - 04/22/18 08:17 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: Naw as eat said, if you just leave it it will pin and fruit.
I usually mist mainly to try and keep it form developing side pins and pinning on the bottom cause it annoys me. So I attempt to keep the surface conditions on top more favorable, but as eat said, if you rehydrate it and leave it with just a dub it will fruit again.
Alright sweet that makes things a lot easier.
I didnt realize that i didnt need to mist at first so ive given it a few mistings already. It seems like theres a nice amount of pins on top again, so hopefully now if i just leave it side pins wont be a problem.
Thanks for the response
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25158647 - 04/22/18 08:20 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I find that smartphone flashlights work the best to help my bad eyes see the surface conditions
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25158657 - 04/22/18 08:23 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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If for some reason the edges are clearly getting dry, and you see a lighter brown color, I would mist those spots. That’s what mine did, I mean it was clearly drying out, so I misted the shit out of those spots.
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: Apples in Mono]
#25158667 - 04/22/18 08:26 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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You misting it is fine, didn't hurt it imo
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: Enkidu]
#25158684 - 04/22/18 08:34 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Alright cool thanks guys.
From now on i think im gonna hold off on misting unless i feel like its getting extremely dry. That makes things a lot easier than trying to micromanage the surface conditions.
There are no microbeads on the surface but it definitely doesnt seem like a lighter brown color like cybin_man said.
This is one of the tubs one week after dunking:
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25158749 - 04/22/18 08:57 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Looks awesome bro
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: Enkidu]
#25159565 - 04/23/18 09:49 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: Looks awesome bro
Sweet thanks man. I'll just keep letting it do it's thing then. If it's anything like the first flush I'll prob be harvesting by this weekend
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25160373 - 04/23/18 04:53 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok so after you've dunked the substrate are you supposed to dry it somehow or let it be in the monotub?
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: Braden2320]
#25160382 - 04/23/18 04:59 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just supposed to put it back to the same conditions as before you dunked. Just like it was for the first flush.
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: Cybin_man]
#25160455 - 04/23/18 05:31 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cybin_man said: Just supposed to put it back to the same conditions as before you dunked. Just like it was for the first flush.
During my first flush i needed to mist about 2-3 times a day to maintain surface conditions.
Are you saying that means i should do the same thing during the 2nd flush, or does the 2nd flush not really require misting like the first flush like the people above me said?
I was planning on just holding back on the misting unless things look very dry. Right now theres no beads of moisture like during the first flush but the coir still appears dark brown.
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25160469 - 04/23/18 05:33 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I always keep the surface glistening at all times if I can. This includes post dunked flushes. There's really no set misting schedule. Just mist when dry. Shine a flashlight onto the sub if you are having trouble seeing the glistening. Ya need a bright light for there to be glistening.
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25160470 - 04/23/18 05:34 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Naw he's saying that dude above doesn't need to put his sub in a mono or let it dry out like he's asking but keep it in the same general conditions it was in prior
You're good flying. Just mist when you think you should
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: Enkidu]
#25160481 - 04/23/18 05:37 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: Mad Season]
#25160694 - 04/23/18 07:06 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: I always keep the surface glistening at all times if I can. This includes post dunked flushes. There's really no set misting schedule. Just mist when dry. Shine a flashlight onto the sub if you are having trouble seeing the glistening. Ya need a bright light for there to be glistening.
Damn now im confused This was my initial understanding, that i should mist whenever there arent little beads of moisture just like during the first flush. But i decided not to mist because of what the other users said.
So i should still be trying to maintain beads of moisture on the surface? I want to make sure im not messing things up now So far the idea ive been getting from this thread is that after dunking i should basically be able to not touch this thing at all until harvest day, unless it starts getting overly dry signified by a lighter brown color in the coir.
In order for there to be little beads of moisture i probably need to mist like 2-3 times a day like during the first flush. Should i just continue that?
These are pictures from today, about 8 days after dunking:
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Edited by flyhighfunguy (04/23/18 07:13 PM)
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25160807 - 04/23/18 07:58 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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You mist when they look like they need it. Yours currently looks like it could use a couple squirts. It doesn't necessarily need to be covered in beads.. That moreso applies to the first flush. Just needs to be moist looking with no pooling water is the best way to describe it. If it doesn't look like it's glistening/shimmering with no pooling water, it needs to be misted.
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25160816 - 04/23/18 08:01 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I always mist as mentioned to create good surface conditions, plus it's extra water for fruits anyway.
You can choose not to mist and it will produce.
You can mist and it will produce.
Either way it will produce.
Misting never hurts unless it's done too much.
At the same time, misting less can also give fruits.
Therefore anything you have a range for misting that is going to be acceptable and produce fruits.
You don't want it too wet and don't want it too dry. Those create the extremes with limits on each end where everything between is acceptable. Everything in between those two limits is fine.
So when he said you can leave it and it will be fine he was correct. When someone else said they would mist it they are also fine to do so. Because both scenarios fall within the extremes of too dry or too wet which would hurt the grow.
I hope this clears it up.
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Re: Difficult to see surface conditions after dunking bulk. [Re: Enkidu]
#25162300 - 04/24/18 12:33 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: I always mist as mentioned to create good surface conditions, plus it's extra water for fruits anyway.
You can choose not to mist and it will produce.
You can mist and it will produce.
Either way it will produce.
Misting never hurts unless it's done too much.
At the same time, misting less can also give fruits.
Therefore anything you have a range for misting that is going to be acceptable and produce fruits.
You don't want it too wet and don't want it too dry. Those create the extremes with limits on each end where everything between is acceptable. Everything in between those two limits is fine.
So when he said you can leave it and it will be fine he was correct. When someone else said they would mist it they are also fine to do so. Because both scenarios fall within the extremes of too dry or too wet which would hurt the grow.
I hope this clears it up.
Alright yea that makes sense. It sounds like as long as I don't go overboard with it then misting could only be beneficial. Ill probably start misting them again then.
Thanks
-------------------- If you need any help achieving proper field capacity, please check out this video. I hope it helps you guys out!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HskufFlXEo4
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25087128/page/1
Edited by flyhighfunguy (04/24/18 12:34 PM)
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