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Re: Crimea [Re: chibiabos]
    #25145813 - 04/17/18 02:46 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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modern world class airport from the one Ukraine had before.  The new bridge to connect mainland Russia with Crimea is set to partially open by early May, way ahead of schedule (for the few of you interested in non-US centric news).



Cool.  Now they don't have to deploy riggers and shit in order to move tanks onto the peninsula.  Plus redundancy, and whatnot.  :shrug:




Do they have a Cinnabon at the Simferopol airport? I'm not going to take Pravda91s word for it.

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Re: Crimea [Re: koods]
    #25145818 - 04/17/18 02:49 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Falcon is a product of RT.  Pravda was a lot more nuanced than RT is.  RT really doesn't give a shit if their translations even have a veneer of honesty, which is to say that they'll translate "da" as "no" (even if the guy saying it is nodding his head).

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Re: Crimea [Re: chibiabos]
    #25145845 - 04/17/18 03:04 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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the Russians were trying to drive a wedge in between Odessa an Kiev but didn't really have enough momentum to make it quite there without overextending themselves, owing to the fact that the only way into Ukraine was through their own Western frontier.



I don't know what you're talking about.  Can you provide a link that explains?

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Did you happen to, perhaps, ever look at a map of the area while you were in the Crimea and notice anything about how the major roads are laid out (especially relative to Russian and Ukranian troop dispositions and the location of major ports on the Northern Black Sea)?

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/5-33/ch5.pdf



I still have no idea what you're talking about.  Can you explain?

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Falcon is a product of RT.



Actually I travelled to Crimea so I'm a product of reality.  If RT reflects reality, then so be it.  You're clearly just a product of Faux News.


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Re: Crimea [Re: koods]
    #25145853 - 04/17/18 03:09 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Do they have a Cinnabon at the Simferopol airport? I'm not going to take Pravda91s word for it.



I doubt it, as didn't see a single western company in Crimea while I was there, as the US Government has banned American companies from Crimea.


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Re: Crimea [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25145908 - 04/17/18 03:36 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Did you happen to, perhaps, ever look at a map of the area while you were in the Crimea and notice anything about how the major roads are laid out (especially relative to Russian and Ukranian troop dispositions and the location of major ports on the Northern Black Sea)?

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/5-33/ch5.pdf



I still have no idea what you're talking about.  Can you explain?



A map is a picture that tells you where things are.

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Re: Crimea [Re: chibiabos]
    #25145950 - 04/17/18 03:54 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Once again, you said "the Russians were trying to drive a wedge in between Odessa an Kiev but didn't really have enough momentum to make it quite there without overextending themselves, owing to the fact that the only way into Ukraine was through their own Western frontier."  CAN YOU PROVE THIS WITH A LINK?

And once again, you talked about a map of the area showing how major roads are laid out.  DO YOU HAVE THIS MAP, or just a link to a generic field service manual that has absolutely nothing to do with Ukraine?


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Re: Crimea [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25146432 - 04/17/18 07:11 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Again, I'm happy to answer any questions anyone may have about my trip.




did you have any of that wild, passionate, outdoor sex you're so fond of while you were in crimea?



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It's a fun place to visit, and believe it or not, the people love Americans.






oops.  i guess this answers my question.


ps, outdoor sex rules.

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Re: Crimea [Re: relic] * 1
    #25146551 - 04/17/18 08:03 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

The sex I had in Crimea was indoor.  It was just too crowded for outdoor sex.  :blush:


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Re: Crimea [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25146826 - 04/17/18 09:45 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Since this is the active Russia propaganda thread, I just wanted to say that Russia has poorly designed balconies because notable people keep falling off of them.

Putin totally didn't have this guy thrown out of his 5th story apartment.


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Re: Crimea [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25146884 - 04/17/18 10:13 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Once again, you said "the Russians were trying to drive a wedge in between Odessa an Kiev but didn't really have enough momentum to make it quite there without overextending themselves, owing to the fact that the only way into Ukraine was through their own Western frontier."  CAN YOU PROVE THIS WITH A LINK?

And once again, you talked about a map of the area showing how major roads are laid out.  DO YOU HAVE THIS MAP, or just a link to a generic field service manual that has absolutely nothing to do with Ukraine?



You've been bragging about how much more you know about the region than the rest of us, and you really don't know how to find a fucking map of the region?  Ye gods, man... :facepalm:

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Re: Crimea [Re: koods]
    #25146894 - 04/17/18 10:16 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Since this is the active Russia propaganda thread, I just wanted to say that Russia has poorly designed balconies because notable people keep falling off of them.

Putin totally didn't have this guy thrown out of his 5th story apartment.



He wrote a story saying that Russian mercenaries were "killed in Syria on 7 February in a confrontation with US forces".

So you think the CIA killed him to cover up the story?!?  There's no reason Russia would care about that story.


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Re: Crimea [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25146908 - 04/17/18 10:24 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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You've been bragging about how much more you know about the region than the rest of us, and you really don't know how to find a fucking map of the region?  Ye gods, man... :facepalm:



Of course I can find a map, why are you behaving like a kindeegartner?  I'm asking you to back up your story, which you haven't done.

Let's try again:

You said "the Russians were trying to drive a wedge in between Odessa an Kiev but didn't really have enough momentum to make it quite there without overextending themselves, owing to the fact that the only way into Ukraine was through their own Western frontier."  Can you prove they were trying to drive a wedge in between Odessa and Kiev?

I have a map of Crimea.  WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SHOW ME ON THE MAP?


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Re: Crimea [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25146946 - 04/17/18 10:47 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Since this is the active Russia propaganda thread, I just wanted to say that Russia has poorly designed balconies because notable people keep falling off of them.

Putin totally didn't have this guy thrown out of his 5th story apartment.



He wrote a story saying that Russian mercenaries were "killed in Syria on 7 February in a confrontation with US forces".

So you think the CIA killed him to cover up the story?!?  There's no reason Russia would care about that story.




The CIA director was fucking bragging about it at his confirmation for Secretary of State. Nice coverup.




You really aren't that great at spin. It's pretty laughable TBH.


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Re: Crimea [Re: koods] * 1
    #25146989 - 04/17/18 11:14 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

That was weeks after the incident.  :whatever:

Russia reported the casualties within days after the incident:

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Bloomberg News quoted Russian sources as saying as many as 200 Russian nationals could have been killed in a clash last Wednesday and Thursday




You gotta do a little better than "DURR, PUTIN!!!"  :shrug:


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Re: Crimea [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25646890 - 11/29/18 03:50 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Although the West still pretends Crimea belongs to Ukraine, it is very clearly a Russian territory.  If you try to enter Crimea from Ukraine, as required by Ukrainian law, there is a very long wait as a result of a Ukrainian (not Russian) checkpoint.  Ukraine clearly wants to discourage its own people from entering 'their own' country.

If you fly into Crimea from Russia (as I did), it is considered a domestic flight and there is no customs/security to go through upon entering - you simply get off the plane and leave the airport.



Welp, if you want to visit Crimea, you can no longer do it from Ukraine:

Kiev bans foreigners from entering Crimea
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All non-Ukrainians will be barred from entering Crimea from the Ukrainian land border, according to border guards cited by AP. It is still possible to fly into Crimea from Russia or to enter via the bridge from Russia's south, though Ukraine claims that is a violation of its borders.




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Re: Crimea [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25647066 - 11/29/18 05:15 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Do you feel good about supporting Russian imperialism?

Putin himself eventually admitted that the 'polite people' who appeared across Crimea before the referendum were Russian troops.

96.77% voted for yes. You know what votes get 95%+ majorities? Fixed votes. We already know that Russian military was occupying Crimea at this point. Do you think fair and democratic votes occur under military occupation?

And isn't it convenient that only two months after annexation, a law was passed where incitement of violation of territorial integrity of the Russian Federation (incl. calls for secession of Crimea from Russia) was made illegal? No wonder there isn't much talk against Russian annexation in Crimea.

And isn't it just super convenient that Crimea holds incredible strategic importance with access to military ports for Russia's Black Sea fleet?

And then Russia's recent action of blockading access to the sea of Azov? How you can deny the imperialist behaviour of Putin's Russia.

I'm against US imperialism too, but I don't let this opposition lead me to supporting imperialism from Americas opposition. Colour me disappointed.


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Re: Crimea [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #25647149 - 11/29/18 06:14 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

I honestly doubt that Russia is going to outright try and take over the country right now.  Not that they probably wouldn't like to, but it's more realistic to just either capture ports like Odessa or just blockade them.  If they push hard enough then maybe they'll even manage to cut Kiev off from Ukraine's entire Black Sea coast.  :shrug:

Either way, the troops are massing at their respective frontiers.

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Re: Crimea [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #25647279 - 11/29/18 07:41 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

My sister in law is Ukrainian and she says the Crimeans are glad they’re not a part of Ukraine.

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Re: Crimea [Re: Mycolorado]
    #25647305 - 11/29/18 07:54 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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My sister in law is Ukrainian and she says the Crimeans are glad they’re not a part of Ukraine.



Of course Crimeans are glad - they're mostly ethnic Russians whose economy shot through the roof after rejoining Russia, while Ukraine's economy tanked after ousting their elected leader.


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    #25647377 - 11/29/18 08:25 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Gorgeous pictures, man! Did you get to tour Livadia?


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