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OfflineSquattingMarmot
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Shades of Mogadishu
    #2514470 - 04/02/04 01:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Does it surprise anyone that the story of the dead Americans being dragged through the streets of Falujjah is being buried by the US media? I've seen edited clips showing Iraqis jumping around outside a burning car, but I have yet to see the entire video on ANY American channel.

Here is the clip, sorry its not in English, but I can't seem to find any clips of it that aren't from foreign media.
WARNING: Extremely Graphic

This certainly does not bode well for the occupation.


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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2514665 - 04/02/04 01:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ah.

I was wondering who would be the first to post something about this incident. I must admit I'm surprised it took so long.

Being the curious fellow that I am, I am interested in hearing the opinions of the readers here as to what the response to this atrocity should be.

Who'll go first?

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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2514688 - 04/02/04 01:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Bad link.

I really wish they would show it, and it pisses me off they don't.

Doesn't bode well for the operation? As if there were any doubt there are those who behave despicably and rejoice in the death the ones they kill.


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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: Phred]
    #2514992 - 04/02/04 01:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I just recently posted a referene to it in another thread.

Response?

How exactly do you respond to this. Had we gunned down all those participating, it would be claimed we killed innocent civilians. How the fuck can you call these people innocent?

Since there is ample video and photos, everyone that particpated in it that can be indentified should be arrested and charged, even the children. They should start enforcing stricter controls on crowd formation, so hopefully this mob mentality can be kept in check.

Apart from that, I'm not sure. I would have to think about it some more.


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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: Phred]
    #2517939 - 04/02/04 05:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'd like to see these people arrested, tried, and preferably executed by the new Iraqi government.


Maybe they could slaughter them, and feed them to Saddam. :yesnod:


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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: Phred]
    #2517953 - 04/02/04 05:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Being the curious fellow that I am, I am interested in hearing the opinions of the readers here as to what the response to this atrocity should be.



Give the residents of the town 48 hours to turn over the scumbags. If they do, fine. If not, give them another 48 hours to leave the town carrying the clothes on their back and nothing more, then remove the town from the planet whether they have left or not.


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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2517970 - 04/02/04 06:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If not, give them another 48 hours to leave the town carrying the clothes on their back and nothing more, then remove the town from the planet whether they have left or not.




And then what? Do you seriously think such action would make them stop the attacks?

I wonder if these victims are also called "collateral damage" as thousands of killed Afghans and Iraquis.


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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: zeronio]
    #2517973 - 04/02/04 06:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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And then what?



Repeat as needed.


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I wonder if these victims are also called "collateral damage" as thousands of killed Afghans and Iraquis.



What an incredibly foolish thing to say.


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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2518145 - 04/02/04 09:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Repeat as needed.




That tactics of fighting resistance was very sucessfull in history. It was used by Germans in WWII, USA in Vietnam, Russia in Chechnya, etc.
Very smart indeed. :lol:


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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: zeronio]
    #2518244 - 04/02/04 10:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

zeronio said:
Quote:

Repeat as needed.




That tactics of fighting resistance was very sucessfull in history. It was used by Germans in WWII, USA in Vietnam, Russia in Chechnya, etc.
Very smart indeed. :lol:




One of Saddam's tactics in Iraq as well.

The King is dead!  Long live the King!

I didn't think my opinion of luv could have gone any lower than it already had, but there you have it.  I just hope that his brand of crypto-fascism doesn't apply to all of the right wingers on this board.


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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: Phred]
    #2518255 - 04/02/04 10:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

its "war". People die. They will be held accountable, there is no doubt. if they can find them. This is the way people are. I dont think there is too much to debate. People died... people are cruel... whats new?


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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2518396 - 04/02/04 11:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ungrateful bastards! After starving and bombing them for 10 years, launching an illegal war of aggression on the basis of an outrageous lie, killing upwards of 55,000 people, securing the oilfields before the hospitals and hand picking a convicted embezzler to run the place this is the thanks we get.

Unbelievable.


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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: EchoVortex]
    #2518431 - 04/02/04 11:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I didn't think my opinion of luv could have gone any lower than it already had, but there you have it.

Lower than whaleshit?

I just hope that his brand of crypto-fascism doesn't apply to all of the right wingers on this board.

We can hope...


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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2518639 - 04/02/04 12:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Does it surprise anyone that the story of the dead Americans being dragged through the streets of Falujjah is being buried by the US media?

it was on the front page of the new york times, USA today, and 2 local newspapers around here... come to think of it... it was front page news on every newspaper i saw.  :confused:


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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: Phred]
    #2518738 - 04/02/04 01:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'd like to hope that the perpetrators would be brought to justice, but I don't think justice exists in Iraq at the moment.

Perhaps it would have been more to American tastes if the Iraqi's stitched the bodies back together and made them up a bit before parading them in front of the world media.

I can't say I'm that surprised at luv's response, after all, if you condone extra-judicial assassinations it's not a huge leap to move onto suggesting the wholesale massacre of innocents.


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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2518749 - 04/02/04 01:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It would be nice if the media would portray situations as they really are. That's asking way too much though...

News reports in the U.S. constantly inform us that 'American civilians' were butchered in Fallujia. While that's true, all of the reports I've seen make you think of some American businessman or other like civilian driving to wherever when they were stopped, killed and mutilated. What they do not tell you is that the people killed were mercenaries or private professional soldiers. The use terms like 'security firm'., etc. Don't be fooled. These 'security firm' employees are not beer bellied Brinks drivers or two-bit rent-a-cops. Most of these people have more combat experience than most US soldiers in Iraq. They voluntarily signed up for very well paying jobs in Iraq knowing full well the risks involved.

It was horrific what happened, no doubts there. Still, one must see situations in the proper context.


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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: grib]
    #2518776 - 04/02/04 01:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My understanding was that these guys were private security men escorting a food caravan into the city. You know, so the people could have something to eat without having to pay the thugs who stole it from the charitable providers. I don't think these guys were mercenaries in the usual sense, although I have no doubt that they may have been well trained.


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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2518785 - 04/02/04 01:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

And yeah, I don't know what the hell Marmot's talking about. Front page above the fold of the NY Times is about as prominent as you can place a story. Interesting idea of a burial ground.


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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2518806 - 04/02/04 01:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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My understanding was that these guys were private security men escorting a food caravan into the city. You know, so the people could have something to eat without having to pay the thugs who stole it from the charitable providers. I don't think these guys were mercenaries in the usual sense, although I have no doubt that they may have been well trained. 




Hummm, could be... It's good that the 'food caravan' made it through without their 'private security' detail.  :smirk:

About not being 'mercenaries in the usual sense', since I wasn't there I can't claim that my statements are empirical. I can say, however, that my sources are military.


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Re: Shades of Mogadishu [Re: grib]
    #2518827 - 04/02/04 02:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There are also reports like this from the Telegraph, that say coalition special forces troops are quitting in record numbers, only to take up private security jobs back in Iraq and Afghanistan that pay massively increased wages. As you said, it's hard to say whether the murdered men were doing their job for humanitarian reasons, or to make big money fast, but it seems like there are plenty there who do fit the true definition of a mercenary.


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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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