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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: WeAreMushroom] * 1
    #25142815 - 04/16/18 10:29 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Guess not all of them got potted up in the end WeAreMushroom huh? :grin:

Looks like these guys enjoyed getting a new pot; First day outside, first flowers of the season :smile:


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25143322 - 04/16/18 02:59 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Nothing like a bloom day :cool: enjoy it brother.

Do you like to swab the pollen at all, or are LW's self fertile? I'm still fairly new to them and I've never had one bloom


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    #25143454 - 04/16/18 04:11 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: WeAreMushroom]
    #25143456 - 04/16/18 04:13 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

But back on topic, your children are BEAUTIFUL, Mean Green.

:awedance:

Do you find that the larger older ones benefit from being potted so closely?


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #25143457 - 04/16/18 04:14 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

LW for sure is (but it produces less seeds) im not sure about the other species


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Lipa Kreepa] * 2
    #25143460 - 04/16/18 04:16 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

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Nothing like a bloom day :cool: enjoy it brother.

Do you like to swab the pollen at all, or are LW's self fertile? I'm still fairly new to them and I've never had one bloom




Yes I usually keep a paintbrush in the pot so I can cross pollinate the various flowers. There are 2 different types of L. williamsii, the northern form which is self-pollinating, and the southern form which isn't. All other species of lophophora are self-sterile afaik.

But cross pollination really isn't an issue with lophs, it really baffles me how they manage to synchronize themselves to flower at the same time, even if in different pots. I don't think I ever had a loph flower alone, they're always at least a couple to flower at the exact same time.

And I mean really at the exact same time down to the very minute the flowers start opening, check out this timelapse I did last year which demonstrates that:


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25143471 - 04/16/18 04:20 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Sorry if it came out wrong, there was no ill feelings in my remark, if you are in a position where you can eat peyote more power to you, you won't be the first nor the last. I wouldn't hesitate if I had access to plants that were already harvested anyway.

I don't know yet if potting them together like that is beneficial, did it very recently. But they certainly have more root space now than before in their individual pots. I oriented the taproots so they're going across the pot and not towards their neighbour.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25144612 - 04/17/18 02:08 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Thanks for the writeup meangreen. That time lapse is killer bro. I could stare at that for quite a while :awesome:

If peyote has been harvested and dried and is offered as a gift... i feel like it would disrespectful not to ingest it. Disrespectful to the people who offered it me and more importantly to the cactus itself.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #25144684 - 04/17/18 03:14 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

I bought a book at a resale shop last year. It was wrote by a man who grew up and lived/worked on a ranch in south Texas. His book is about the plants found in this area and their uses. He does not list every single plant that might be found in south Texas. He listed more or less wrote about the ones on his ranch that he is familiar with and used.

He has two pages about the peyote, most notably he writes about cutting them up and putting them in high proof alcohol as a topical medicine just what wearemushroom has mentioned doing.

The real kicker here is this book is autographed by the author with a note to his friend a famous Texas Ranger that passed away named Joaquin Jackson. The women that did his estate sale owned the shop I found this gem of a book at. It has a coffee ring on the cover..I think it adds character.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: WeAreMushroom] * 2
    #25144759 - 04/17/18 04:42 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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Group shot before they get potted.

:aweyeah:



FWIW, I strongly suspect these are not Lophophora. They rather look like despined Echinocactus horizontalonius.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: LSoares]
    #25144848 - 04/17/18 07:17 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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Group shot before they get potted.

:aweyeah:



FWIW, I strongly suspect these are not Lophophora. They rather look like despined Echinocactus horizontalonius.




Having eaten one I can definitely testify that these are definitely Lophophora with the tufts ripped out.

The ones with roots even display the expected "forked" taproot for a willamsii.

From the provided photo, you can only see the baseball shape of the largest most beat up one, all the others were the classic flat donut shape.

The rib definition is really defined and they're very hard, but that's because the grower before me had them in 100% ocean forest soil which he would water every time it dried out. :facepalm:

On the oldest big one down on the base by the roots, you can see the typical fractal-pattern willamsii tufts that whoever ripped out all the tufts missed.

They're dirty and quite solid but they're there.



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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Pony]
    #25144867 - 04/17/18 07:50 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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I was on WebMD, it’s applied topically, even for fractured bones.  Definitely quackery.




Link or it didn't happen


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Solipsis]
    #25144868 - 04/17/18 07:52 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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I have also seen anecdotes of success where the peyote was used not topically but ceremonially




The first result in google on this is a marketing site/page

Some webmd link is pure bunk, it's a unknown source who wrote that following by

"How does it work?
There isn't enough information available to know how peyote works as a medicine."

Research would have picked up on it don't you think?


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: karode13]
    #25144875 - 04/17/18 07:59 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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Pony said:
I was on WebMD, it’s applied topically, even for fractured bones.  Definitely quackery.





So you wouldn't think  that this has any anti inflammatory properties if it were used for so many ailments where inflammation is present.


Yeah, must be quackery. It's the only logical conclusion.


Many cactus and succulents are used in medicine. Aloe vera, Opuntia, Hoodia gordanii etc...


The discussion isn't about quackery, it was about historical use of the plant. It seems people are proving this to be correct, while trying to point out quackery. Your attention spans must be very low.





Show me historical topical use of peyote then


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: DualWieldRake]
    #25144884 - 04/17/18 08:15 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Let me educate you

Peyote has been used historically by natives perhaps forever. (they even based religion on this)
They ingest it and set their minds free or something similar.
'Strong' physiological effects occur too, things like heart rate bloodflow etc.

A lot of people beeing very interested, they sell it as ointments. ($$$)
Mostly cause the people buying are quick to convince, or even ride the placebo effect.

Transdermal use of peyote by natives does not seem to be documented (or atleast references to this documentation are missing from this thread)
Given the high working dose of mescaline transdermal application seems farfetched to me, admittedly i'm no doctor

I'm not at all against mescaline, any research showing a beneficial effect on physiological conditions however seems to be non existant


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! *DELETED* [Re: DualWieldRake]
    #25145263 - 04/17/18 11:57 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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    #25145530 - 04/17/18 02:21 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: WeAreMushroom]
    #25146746 - 04/17/18 11:15 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Those aren't lophophora bro.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: WeAreMushroom]
    #25147237 - 04/18/18 05:13 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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Can't find any pictures online of enchinocactus horizonthalonious roots but I'm pretty sure they don't look like this:









It is MOSTLY because of those roots that I say it is E. horizonthalonius (sorry for the misspeling earlier). You can see how they look here, and compare them with these:

And please bear in mind that Loph is a degraft (two years worth of root growth). A plant that size grown from seed on its own roots would have a tap root easily 2-3 times the size of the "button".


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: WeAreMushroom] * 1
    #25147246 - 04/18/18 05:24 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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The ones with roots even display the expected "forked" taproot for a willamsii.




Loph roots may or may not fork. And they are ALWAYS fleshy and juicy, not fibrous.

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The rib definition is really defined and they're very hard, but that's because the grower before me had them in 100% ocean forest soil which he would water every time it dried out. :facepalm:




This is highly suspicious as well. Lophs are never "very hard". They can be "firm" if well watered, but they are in no way "hard".

I'm not trying to rain on your parade, man. Just thought you should know what you're ingesting - and perhaps warn about someone who's selling you something misnamed. I found it highly suspicious that the guy cut so much out of the plant just to remove the tufts, when they are so easy to pull off even accidentally.


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