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Re: Newbie. Ordered cube syringe. Help with shopping list and tek list please. [Re: Burbles]
    #25140123 - 04/15/18 02:52 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

It is going to take me a few hours to really understand what you guys are all saying/arguing-about before I can decide what my style is.  I might go both (or is it all three?) routes at the same time and see what happens.

PF, SGFC, etc.  I'm going to have to look those up (or click on the links provided).

I will spend a few hours reading etc. Sunday and Monday.

Thank you - everyone - a bit of disagreement or different perspectives is healthy.
~Thorasta

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Re: Newbie. Ordered cube syringe. Help with shopping list and tek list please. [Re: Burbles]
    #25140127 - 04/15/18 03:04 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Burbles said:
What is your ultimate goal? Growing mushrooms as a hobby and exploring all the nooks that the hobby offers, or just doing a quick, successful grow?




Hard to say.  I've done mushrooms twice - first time was a light dose, the second time I suspect was a really heavy dose (I was a floating eyeball) almost two years ago. 

My initial goal is to safely gain access to shrooms without risking exposure to the man.  I would like to do a big grow often enough so that I have access to them - and I would also like to be able to identify what grows naturally around the Seattle area - and maybe create a few "wild" patches of my own.

I'd also like to try a few different varieties - the two times I had mushrooms, the way I reacted to them was very different.  First time colors got brighter, the larger rock formations had golem or face shapes in them.  Second time the world got very geometric, I lost depth perception, and like I said above - I was a floating eyeball...  those feet underneath me weren't me, they just liked being there under me following my floatiness around.  oh, and treetops were terrifying, so i didn't look at them.

Growing I'm starting with cubes - I picked these simply because it seems like they are by far the most common, and I figure there's reasons for that.
Being in Seattle, I hope to find ovoids, cyans, and azures.

re-reading your post - A mix of the two.  I want a quick successful grow, but then expand on that once or twice a year.  (seems one good grow ought to last years?)

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Re: Newbie. Ordered cube syringe. Help with shopping list and tek list please. [Re: Thorasta]
    #25140133 - 04/15/18 03:17 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I'd recommend looking into all of BOD's teks... aka the user bodhisatta  -- and trying the unmodified tub grow with grain + bulk substrate. The real trick at first will be to get a clean culture; you can *likely* do spores to grain but almost everyone bitches about it (despite many many of my customers succeeding at it time and time again) -- so, maybe what would be best is to take spores and get it to grow on some agar, then suck it up with some sterile water, and inject into a properly made LC jar - then test that lc on agar, then inoculate the grain.

To get a clean culture, you could try spores to an agar slant, and then add sterilized water to that, and suck it up - once you see that it is clean.
culture slants are nice for this IMO due to their small and area and re-usability --  easy to work with and cheap.

If you fill it fairly high, like 70 to 80% full, you can scratch the surface of the agar with a sterile needle, and then inject sterile water, swirl and suck up the myc into the syringe. I've done this to make LC and it's pretty quick/easy. No need to pour hot agar in a glove box into petri dishes. Ive done that a lot, and it is a total pain. Definitely do use a SAB/glove box/flow hood for the sterile water/sucking process.

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Re: Newbie. Ordered cube syringe. Help with shopping list and tek list please. [Re: Burbles]
    #25140135 - 04/15/18 03:17 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

This will be a great resource for you: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24297804

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Re: Newbie. Ordered cube syringe. Help with shopping list and tek list please. [Re: Burbles]
    #25140310 - 04/15/18 06:56 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

What does someone gain from someone else doing all the work. If you already have a PC and want to get into agar I think it’s a great idea.
Here are a lot of the most up to date TEKs

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Mushroom Cultivation Abbreviations


50/50  = 50% vermiculite/50% peat moss
aq.    = aqueous (water based)
BRF    = Brown Rice Flour
CFL(s) = Compact Florescent Light bulb(s)
coir  = coco coir; coconut fiber; coconut "hair"
contam = contamination
DNR    = Dunk N' Roll
FAE    = Fresh Air Exchange
FC    = Fruiting Chamber
G2G    = Grain to Grain [transfer]
GB    = Glove Box
GE    = Gas Exchange
GH    = Green House
GLC    = Grain Liquid Culture
HEPA  = High Efficiency Particulate Arrestor
hpoo  = horse manure
inoc  = inoculate or inoculant
karo  = A brand of light corn syrup (dextrose)
LC    = Liquid Culture
LME    = Light Malt Extract
Martha = "Martha Stewart everyday stationary storage closet", a shelf inside a zippered plastic cover
MEA    = Malt Extract Agar
MS    = Multi-Spore
MT    = Mono Tub
myc    = mycelium
PC    = Pressure Cooker; sometimes used as shorthand for P. cubensis
PDA    = Potato Dextrose Agar
PF    = Psilocybe Fanaticus, author of the "PF Tek"
pin    = primordia, the beginning of a mushroom fruit body
PMP    = Poor Man's Pod
PSI    = Pounds per Square Inch
RH    = Relative Humidity
RR    = RogerRabbit
SAB    = Still-Air Box
SFD('s)= Synthetic Filter-Disks
SGFC  = Shot Gun Fruiting Chamber
SWIM  = Someone Who Isn't Me
tek    = technique
TiT    = Tub in Tub
TMC    = Paul Stamets' "The Mushroom Cultivator"
Trich. = Trichoderma
verm  = vermiculite
WBS    = Wild Bird Seed





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Re: Newbie. Ordered cube syringe. Help with shopping list and tek list please. [Re: Explicitdetail]
    #25140763 - 04/15/18 10:51 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Ok.  Bod's Easy AF cheapest way is what I'm going to do - upgraded with a pressure cooker.  I already have a syringe (or will once it arrives).  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=24981864&page=0&vc=1#24981864

There's just too much information, and this seems like the most concise way I've seen yet to start.

Just one question - will cubes grow on brown rice flower /verm mix?

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Re: Newbie. Ordered cube syringe. Help with shopping list and tek list please. [Re: mushhiehunter]
    #25140805 - 04/15/18 11:23 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

LOL. This dude asks one question and these two dudes get into a pissing match. Lol misterwisher/mushhiehunter.


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Re: Newbie. Ordered cube syringe. Help with shopping list and tek list please. [Re: Cybin_man]
    #25140831 - 04/15/18 11:36 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

thats why i just backed out. haha

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Re: Newbie. Ordered cube syringe. Help with shopping list and tek list please. [Re: Cybin_man]
    #25140911 - 04/15/18 12:06 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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LOL. This dude asks one question and these two dudes get into a pissing match. Lol misterwisher/mushhiehunter.





I really don't want to see another post with contaminated grains man... :crazy:

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Re: Newbie. Ordered cube syringe. Help with shopping list and tek list please. [Re: Thorasta]
    #25140999 - 04/15/18 12:36 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Just one question - will cubes grow on brown rice flower /verm mix?





:wellholyshit:
Yes, yes they will :lol:

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Re: Newbie. Ordered cube syringe. Help with shopping list and tek list please. [Re: mushhiehunter]
    #25141004 - 04/15/18 12:37 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I tried inoculating 25 bags with MSS and there is hope for 1 maybe 2 bags. It was an epic fail for me at least. Right  now I am trying agar. I just bought prepoured plates and I finaly!! have some mycelium growing. So dang exciting. Whatever ya choose keep it fun and good luck.

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Re: Newbie. Ordered cube syringe. Help with shopping list and tek list please. [Re: Erock]
    #25141178 - 04/15/18 01:42 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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I tried inoculating 25 bags with MSS and there is hope for 1 maybe 2 bags. It was an epic fail for me at least. Right  now I am trying agar. I just bought prepoured plates and I finaly!! have some mycelium growing. So dang exciting. Whatever ya choose keep it fun and good luck.





wtf? what do you exactly mean by innoculating 25 bags? You mean real, big, grain bags?

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Re: Newbie. Ordered cube syringe. Help with shopping list and tek list please. [Re: mushhiehunter]
    #25141650 - 04/15/18 05:42 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

They were the 1lb rye berry bags from outgrow. I am just starting so no pressure cooker yet. So I thought some spore syringes and buying their bulk deal would be good. After the fail and reading I am now in the middle of trying agar. I am determined although that learning curve is working me at the moment.

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Re: Newbie. Ordered cube syringe. Help with shopping list and tek list please. [Re: Erock]
    #25142451 - 04/16/18 01:54 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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They were the 1lb rye berry bags from outgrow. I am just starting so no pressure cooker yet. So I thought some spore syringes and buying their bulk deal would be good. After the fail and reading I am now in the middle of trying agar. I am determined although that learning curve is working me at the moment.




Oh man I feel bad for you... that's some tough luck even though spore syringe is asking for it... it must have been contaminated a lot.

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Re: Newbie. Ordered cube syringe. Help with shopping list and tek list please. [Re: mushhiehunter]
    #25142465 - 04/16/18 02:12 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

you can use one of these for cakes too. I've been digging it so far over my old SGFC.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25103564/page/2


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Re: Newbie. Ordered cube syringe. Help with shopping list and tek list please. [Re: mushhiehunter]
    #25142943 - 04/16/18 10:07 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

Erock said:
They were the 1lb rye berry bags from outgrow. I am just starting so no pressure cooker yet. So I thought some spore syringes and buying their bulk deal would be good. After the fail and reading I am now in the middle of trying agar. I am determined although that learning curve is working me at the moment.




Oh man I feel bad for you... that's some tough luck even though spore syringe is asking for it... it must have been contaminated a lot.




Ya I was pretty bummed. But on the bright side it made me go back and read teks. I finally have mycelium growing on agar with no contams!! Followed C10 and Bods texs on SAB and Agar and I am having success!! Another week or so and I should be ready to do agar to grain transfers so it is looking up again :thumbup:

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Re: Newbie. Ordered cube syringe. Help with shopping list and tek list please. [Re: mushhiehunter]
    #25142975 - 04/16/18 10:20 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Cakes are not necessarily bad. They're just not worth it imo. Think about it man your gonna make a fruiting chamber anyway. that fruiting chamber can hold either ~12 cakes(made of only brf and verm.) or a couple pounds of substrate with nutrients.

And like you said he's using ms. Which means each cake is gonna have different genetics. Cakes don't usually yield too high unless you have killer genetics.

Also cakes are not easier than bulk especially if you buy pre pasturized substrate.

Op could make 4 brf 'cakes' as spawn and buy sub and get 2 zips.
or he could make 12 brf cakes and get maybe a zip if he's lucky.





See the thing about many small cakes is that if one goes bad, you can just throw it away, if he goes big, he has to throw away more.

The second part about each cake having different genetics... it's not only each cake will have different genetics but also each single cake will have multiple cultures growing on it. Yes, it is a crapshoot but he can take a clone (the genetic variability is good here)

You know why was being such a dick? Because when I started, I did 2 pf tek grows and jumped straight to grains and monos... it took me a whole year to get used to agar and get some decent grain grows... PF tek inoculation can (but shouldn't) be done in open air environment.

I just don't want to see another post with pictures of bacterial spawn with the poster being excited he's got beautiful spawn just to learn his hard work went to shit...

But I might have been just unlucky and someone with luck can pull a grain grow on the first try...



My first grow was bulk. In fact I've yet to see a cake/sgfc in person, let alone grow from one. It was hard, and I failed twice before i pulled off a successful grow, but it was hella fun. It's for this reason I'd be a hypocrite if I said people shouldn't start with bulk.


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Re: Newbie. Ordered cube syringe. Help with shopping list and tek list please. [Re: Mad Season]
    #25143044 - 04/16/18 10:55 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I’m in the same boat you are Mad Season, I started with bulk and haven’t seen a cake/SGFC in real life either.


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