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Mexican states should start legalizing marijuana: tourism minister
    #25138077 - 04/14/18 12:20 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Mexican states should start legalizing marijuana: tourism minister
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Taking a lead from the United States, Mexico should allow states to begin legalizing marijuana while broader efforts are in limbo, a senior government official said, as the country seeks ways to tackle record gang violence.

Tourism minister Enrique de la Madrid, confronting rising lawlessness in and around the resort cities of Cancun and Los Cabos, said it made no sense for Mexico to maintain prohibition given permissive U.S. policies in states such as California.

“I think in Mexico we should move towards regulating it at state level,” he said in an interview late on Wednesday, calling it “illogical” to divert funds from fighting kidnapping, rape and murder to arrest people using marijuana.

President Enrique Pena Nieto has said Mexico and the United States should not pursue diverging policies on marijuana. In 2016, Pena Nieto backed a bill to allow Mexicans to carry an ounce of the drug, but the measure stalled in Congress.

Turf wars between gangs for control of supply and distribution of drugs including heroin, cocaine, crystal meth and marijuana helped push murders in Mexico to a record of almost 29,000 in 2017, according to government data.

Drug policy is one of the major issues in Mexico’s July 1 presidential election. The front-runner, leftist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, has even floated the idea of exploring an amnesty for criminal gangs to curb the violence.

Rising crime last year shook Baja California Sur and Quintana Roo, the states that are home to Los Cabos and Cancun. In January, the government agreed plans with local authorities in both states to beef up security.

De la Madrid said at the time that marijuana should be legalized in the two resorts.

In the first two months of this year, murders climbed again nationwide compared to the same period in 2017. They fell in Baja California Sur, but rose in Quintana Roo.

Despite the violence, Mexico last year drew a record 39 million international visitors. De la Madrid saw numbers rising again this year, forecasting they could reach up to 42 million.

According to de la Madrid, top resorts were exposed to lower levels of risk than the country in general and tourists understood this.

Pressed on incidents like a home-made explosive blast that injured 25 people on a ferry in Playa del Carmen in March, he said nowhere was entirely risk-free, pointing to deadlier events in the United States, such as the October mass shooting in Las Vegas and truck terror attack in New York.

“I’ve learnt that different standards are applied to Mexico. And we have to learn to live with that,” he said. “And we have to be increasingly rigorous on security and transparency.”

Keeping marijuana illegal was to “give away” money to the gangs, he said. “And with the money, these men are bribing more police, buying more weapons and causing more violence.”

His push has added to growing calls for change.

On Wednesday, ex-President Vicente Fox said Mexico must consider legalizing opium poppies, while the Supreme Court made a second ruling in favor of recreational marijuana use after a landmark decision in 2015.

While stressing he was not advocating drug use, de la Madrid said the court ruling, which is for now limited to the litigants in question, showed it was time to act. “I’m against a bad policy that leads to more violence in Mexico,” he said.


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Re: Mexican states should start legalizing marijuana: tourism minister [Re: Ythan]
    #25138265 - 04/14/18 01:50 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

If you are strong or especially coordinated, etc, and stop someone from getting hurt or vandalized, you will not get treated like a hero. Whichever establishment will try to pay you however much they can (thinking it's protection money) and try to get rid of you, in a hurry.

Gangs, etc, can still fight for turf. It wouldn't need to be contraband or an unregistered business.

Possibly, the only reason drugs are attractive to gangs, is because there is a lot of cash flow. Organized crime has trafficked in ozone-unfriendly refrigerants and avocadoes, where those were popular. The legal status of marijuana is irrelevant.

I think, if you build any active business interest, that will attract the same kind of vultures.


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Re: Mexican states should start legalizing marijuana: tourism minister [Re: Ythan]
    #25138865 - 04/14/18 06:04 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

"confronting rising lawlessness in and around the resort cities of Cancun and Los Cabos."

It's hitting the tourism centers.  Now the government stance makes sense.  If you even call what they have a government.  Mexico is a bad joke.


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    #25139319 - 04/14/18 08:29 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cher%C3%A1n

Bullying problems don't seem to exist, where there is freedom of association.

These people have apparently reforested and police themselves.


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Re: Mexican states should start legalizing marijuana: tourism minister [Re: durian_2008]
    #25139701 - 04/14/18 11:05 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

maybe they should think about legalizing kidnapping and murder too!


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Re: Mexican states should start legalizing marijuana: tourism minister [Re: Konyap]
    #25140126 - 04/15/18 05:03 AM (1 month, 9 days ago)

If you go to pharmacies even right outaide cancun, they sell Everything. i remember being offered vicodin and alprazolam, but the prices on just a mexican brand of xanax (they called it "Xanax" too, by american trade name) was like $200 for 60 count or so. No script needed though. They did not have ketamine but maybe thats a pet shop. Literally only was in town for an hour, wanted to see what they sold at their pharmacies. Well, you wouldnt be waiting 30 days to fill your actually-needed script, at least.


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Re: Mexican states should start legalizing marijuana: tourism minister [Re: durian_2008]
    #25140248 - 04/15/18 07:57 AM (1 month, 9 days ago)

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If you are strong or especially coordinated, etc, and stop someone from getting hurt or vandalized, you will not get treated like a hero. Whichever establishment will try to pay you however much they can (thinking it's protection money) and try to get rid of you, in a hurry.

Gangs, etc, can still fight for turf. It wouldn't need to be contraband or an unregistered business.

Possibly, the only reason drugs are attractive to gangs, is because there is a lot of cash flow. Organized crime has trafficked in ozone-unfriendly refrigerants and avocadoes, where those were popular. The legal status of marijuana is irrelevant.

I think, if you build any active business interest, that will attract the same kind of vultures.




The legal status of drugs is not irrelevant. You said it yourself that in drugs there is a lot of cash flow. They are not going to make that much with avocados and other things that's ridiculous. Just look at what happened with alcohol prohibition. The proof is in the past.

Locking people up for drugs is completely immoral. Drugs being illegal is just plain stupid.


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Re: Mexican states should start legalizing marijuana: tourism minister [Re: ds442]
    #25141109 - 04/15/18 03:17 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

What I mean to say is that organized crime can get ahold of anything, regardless of it's legal status. So, legalization doesn't fix that part.

Also, fwiw, if you sell alcohol or tobacco, outside of the legal framework, it is still subject to melodramatic raids. It's still under prohibition, as far as the free market is concerned.

So, you are not safe from legal suspicion or illegal predation.

The safest, most simple way of putting this is it's still stigmatized, regardless of your politics.

I am not condemning or shaming anyone, personally. You just so happen to be a under a presumption of guilt.


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    #25141560 - 04/15/18 06:58 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

I am leaving to go get my prescription of generic Klonopin and Ambien at the Walgreens, 90 and 30 pills a month for a total of 2.50 U.S. together.  I went into a Mexican pharmacy a long time ago and it felt like I was in a movie with a fake set and actors. 

There was nothing I wanted so just bought Viagra to see what it was like. I doubt I will ever be in Mexico again.  I gave a beggar 1 dollar and was swarmed like bees.  My Uncle got drunk and reckless and they held him in jail until a massive amount of money was paid for his release.  Even if they legalize, the laws which have no meaning anyway, are such a joke, and it is so corrupted on every level I won't be back. EVER.


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Re: Mexican states should start legalizing marijuana: tourism minister [Re: Barnaby]
    #25141887 - 04/15/18 09:24 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

I certainly think that Mexico should legalize weed but I don't think it would do anything to stop drug cartel violence there. The Mexican drug cartels make approximately 98% of their money from three drugs, cocaine, meth, and heroin sold to the US. Very little of their money is made from selling their product to Mexicans and even smaller percentage is made from selling weed. The drug cartels make almost no money even from selling weed to the US because almost all of the weed in the US is domestically produced now at a much higher quality.


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Re: Mexican states should start legalizing marijuana: tourism minister [Re: triphead9428]
    #25192541 - 05/08/18 11:37 PM (17 days, 3 hours ago)

Yea its definitely different days than even say 2016. I'm sure they're losing marijuana money every year.


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