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Re: The Twelve Tribes Commonwealth of Israel, CULT that recruits at festivals. [Re: Cj-B]
#22439792 - 10/27/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is a super old thread. Didn't even notice.
I'm super old. This was in my threads and I just wanted to post in it again, because I've seen these people at shows recently. They act almost predatory. I mean, I get what they're doing, but they just need to take a lighter approach.
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Re: The Twelve Tribes Commonwealth of Israel, CULT that recruits at festivals. [Re: blissedout]
#22439815 - 10/27/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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blissedout said: You know me so well. By all means, go seek them out. I actually have experience with these fanatics and know what they're about, but do your thing, guy.
I just read through the rest of the thread, and you were the one saying "Oh, it's no big deal, I've never seen 'em before", now you're saying you know all about 'em.
Which is it?
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Re: The Twelve Tribes Commonwealth of Israel, CULT that recruits at festivals. [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
#22439857 - 10/27/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's been 5 years since I posted in this thread, so yeah.
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Re: The Twelve Tribes Commonwealth of Israel, CULT that recruits at festivals. [Re: blissedout]
#22439884 - 10/27/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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As far as this is concerned, my views haven't changed, but I do see these people at shows a lot now and they really kinda piss me off. I guess there could be better things to be pissed off at, though. I'm just a jaded old fuck.
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Re: The Twelve Tribes Commonwealth of Israel, CULT that recruits at festivals. [Re: sui]
#22440021 - 10/27/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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l0l I have one of their papers on my fridge It's like, the most ridiculous shit I've ever seen but the cover is cool as fuck Had it since I was about 18
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Re: The Twelve Tribes Commonwealth of Israel, CULT that recruits at festivals. [Re: Shroomopotamus]
#24962907 - 02/02/18 09:14 PM (6 years, 14 days ago) |
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Please pardon me for bumping a very old thread, but I knew this had to have been discussed before. Interested in your thoughts.
Met some of these guys after a dead show in boulder. Decent people. Took their pamphlet. I too was intrigued by their cover, and really, the marketing was so good I felt instantly drawn to it.
I have to admit, though, I was intrigued. Being raised with a bible-reading dad (not a typical church-going Christian - but I would catch him reading it in the morning), the biblical references and the 12 tribes knowledge of scriptures was kind of neat. Plus, they were at a dead show. Cool, right?
Well, i chewed on it for a bit. Did some reading. Found out much of what was posted here. Not sure if it is verified information, but a lot of rumors to say the least.
Fast forward to Wednesday. I catch a bluegrass esq show. Typically fans and fanfare. Ya dig? I am out at set catching a little smoke with new and old friends.
Talking with some cat about spirituality and bible stuff. This other guy approaches. I smile, he smiles. You dig. Nice people like to meet nice people.
My friends leave to go back to the music. I stay put.
We engage in a verbal sparing of scripture - his "minions" standing by. I ask him, are we brothers? He said "no". Well, "my brother" I reply, we are cut from a different cloth.
I must admit, I chewed on our interaction for some time (well, even now, huh), even had an odd dream about them (which is rare).
Here is my thought on it currently. I want it to be true. I want something like that to exist, but I'm not sure it doesn't already. Why would I give up everything I own, to a community, that will also ask that I work for them? Why wouldn't I just continue the work of my choosing (which I believe to be a fairly honorable profession) and spend my money on interests/passions/needs that I choose?
The 12 tribes say that is selfish, and that I should lay down my life for the community.
I am open to your criticism if I just don't get it, but I wonder if they are what the bible calls pharisees - following the letter of the law rather than spirit. My conscience tells me I am a free bird - all my days under the sun, but it seems they want me to submit to a higher order. I'm sure they were playing to my ego, but they were really working hard to have me over (probably to fondle my butthole).
What are your thoughts on this folks? I am intrigued by the idea, but I'm not sure the tribe is not us.
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Re: The Twelve Tribes Commonwealth of Israel, CULT that recruits at festivals. [Re: AroundtheSon]
#24962919 - 02/02/18 09:17 PM (6 years, 14 days ago) |
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I don't know anything about these guys, but hey I posted in this thread 7 years ago!
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Re: The Twelve Tribes Commonwealth of Israel, CULT that recruits at festivals. [Re: twighead]
#24962921 - 02/02/18 09:18 PM (6 years, 14 days ago) |
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You need to come join us for some sweet tunes and chest bumps.
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Re: The Twelve Tribes Commonwealth of Israel, CULT that recruits at festivals. [Re: AroundtheSon]
#25134409 - 04/12/18 10:20 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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AroundtheSon said: Please pardon me for bumping a very old thread, but I knew this had to have been discussed before. Interested in your thoughts.
Met some of these guys after a dead show in boulder. Decent people. Took their pamphlet. I too was intrigued by their cover, and really, the marketing was so good I felt instantly drawn to it.
I have to admit, though, I was intrigued. Being raised with a bible-reading dad (not a typical church-going Christian - but I would catch him reading it in the morning), the biblical references and the 12 tribes knowledge of scriptures was kind of neat. Plus, they were at a dead show. Cool, right?
Well, i chewed on it for a bit. Did some reading. Found out much of what was posted here. Not sure if it is verified information, but a lot of rumors to say the least.
Fast forward to Wednesday. I catch a bluegrass esq show. Typically fans and fanfare. Ya dig? I am out at set catching a little smoke with new and old friends.
Talking with some cat about spirituality and bible stuff. This other guy approaches. I smile, he smiles. You dig. Nice people like to meet nice people.
My friends leave to go back to the music. I stay put.
We engage in a verbal sparing of scripture - his "minions" standing by. I ask him, are we brothers? He said "no". Well, "my brother" I reply, we are cut from a different cloth.
I must admit, I chewed on our interaction for some time (well, even now, huh), even had an odd dream about them (which is rare).
Here is my thought on it currently. I want it to be true. I want something like that to exist, but I'm not sure it doesn't already. Why would I give up everything I own, to a community, that will also ask that I work for them? Why wouldn't I just continue the work of my choosing (which I believe to be a fairly honorable profession) and spend my money on interests/passions/needs that I choose?
The 12 tribes say that is selfish, and that I should lay down my life for the community.
I am open to your criticism if I just don't get it, but I wonder if they are what the bible calls pharisees - following the letter of the law rather than spirit. My conscience tells me I am a free bird - all my days under the sun, but it seems they want me to submit to a higher order. I'm sure they were playing to my ego, but they were really working hard to have me over (probably to fondle my butthole).
What are your thoughts on this folks? I am intrigued by the idea, but I'm not sure the tribe is not us.
They are a full on mind control cult, Shroombro. You want it to be real? Well, so did I. I ended up joining for 16 months and now I'll carry the wounds of that systematic breaking down process for the rest of my life. They use trauma based mind control straight out of MK Ultra and they try to split your psyche to create a new personality which they program to be what they want it to be. They'll deprive you of food, sleep, social interaction, find your weaknesses and target them until you're crippled. They are desperate for new members because life there is absolutely hell and each new person lightens the workload that their slavemasters put upon them. There term "slavemasters" is no exaggeration. They have quite literally revived the slave plantation system and their "members only" teachings say that slavery is necessary.
What you went through is the beginning of what they call Frog Stew. The idea is this:. You cannot cook a frog by setting up a pot of boiling water and throwing him in. He'll just jump right out. The way to cook a frog is to put him in a pot of cold water and heat it up bit by bit. By the time the frog realizes he's been cooked, it's too late. In their eyes, you are the frog. They did the same to me. They do the same to everyone.
Everything is B.S. They are constantly leading you down rabbit trails which lead nowhere. Absolute mind control is their only goal. Their knowledge of scripture is actually very poor. Their knowledge of the occult is actually very poor a well. Yet, they used both of these things to create a brand new religion and continue to apply them as leverage over your conscience/subconscience. They use coercion, false accusations, Hegelian dialect and cognitive dissonance to bend you to their will. Your free will coopeation means nothing to them because retaining free will means you can use it to leave. They need to break you in order to make a true "Disciple".
Everything they present is a lie. It is an illusion. People want to believe it because it seems good and right. They are liars, bro. If something seems to be too good to be true... Well??? Don't believe them.
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Re: The Twelve Tribes Commonwealth of Israel, CULT that recruits at festivals. [Re: Half Pint]
#25134533 - 04/13/18 12:06 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sounds like the old Zendik cult business model.
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Re: The Twelve Tribes Commonwealth of Israel, CULT that recruits at festivals. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#25134783 - 04/13/18 03:53 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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We had a coworker who said he lived with them for a few years. Several things we all noticed about him and a few I noticed: His stories didn't add up. He was false educated on biblical teachings. I've studied the bible for years and I recognized this type of propaganda, they tell false things about the bible hoping you've never actually read it. Read that last sentence again if you have to, because this is a real technique people use. They say false things about the bible hoping you've never read it so you think the bible actually says it. The guy came off as and even admitted he was vulnerable and was still confused and searching for meaning and truth. Obviously he didn't find it there. He laughed uncontrollably and exaggeratedly. A red flag. We were afraid he would snap, he was odd. He said that they told him no one in the outside world cares about him. And several other strange things I can't recall off the top of my head. Another coworker called him out on it being a cult and he was embarrassed, Best way to describe it. Pulled the 'any religion can be called a cult' card. He admitted a family member had expressed feelings of not trusting the group. He had several versions on how he actually met the group. Again his stories didn't add up, he was odd. I felt sorry for him, how he would burst into uncontrollable laughter, and laugh super loud, it was weird. He talked like you can find the answer and proof to something just by accepting a teaching or something that was told, rather than using rational thinking, debating, reasoning and logic. It was all 'they say this so it must mean that.' He literally didn't know how to think.
I'm just telling you how this guy came off to us, he wasn't a free thinker. And years of being in the group did him no good. Heck we were all at a dead end crappy job where even ex cons got hired. He obviously learned no skills. Bragged about stuff though. Got fired for not following directions, did something foolish and dangerous that made absolutely no sense.
This is just speculation on my experience dealing with someone who was involved with this group. Funny thing was, he said he lived with them and worked for them for free for several years, but never 'joined' them. Whatever that means...He was a very odd fellow.
Are they a cult? Do they show typical signs of a cult? Do they use typical techniques f a cult? I think so. It's obvious.
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Re: The Twelve Tribes Commonwealth of Israel, CULT that recruits at festivals. [Re: Stratocaster]
#25135279 - 04/13/18 09:37 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Stratocaster said: We had a coworker who said he lived with them for a few years. Several things we all noticed about him and a few I noticed: His stories didn't add up. He was false educated on biblical teachings. I've studied the bible for years and I recognized this type of propaganda, they tell false things about the bible hoping you've never actually read it. Read that last sentence again if you have to, because this is a real technique people use. They say false things about the bible hoping you've never read it so you think the bible actually says it. The guy came off as and even admitted he was vulnerable and was still confused and searching for meaning and truth. Obviously he didn't find it there. He laughed uncontrollably and exaggeratedly. A red flag. We were afraid he would snap, he was odd. He said that they told him no one in the outside world cares about him. And several other strange things I can't recall off the top of my head. Another coworker called him out on it being a cult and he was embarrassed, Best way to describe it. Pulled the 'any religion can be called a cult' card. He admitted a family member had expressed feelings of not trusting the group. He had several versions on how he actually met the group. Again his stories didn't add up, he was odd. I felt sorry for him, how he would burst into uncontrollable laughter, and laugh super loud, it was weird. He talked like you can find the answer and proof to something just by accepting a teaching or something that was told, rather than using rational thinking, debating, reasoning and logic. It was all 'they say this so it must mean that.' He literally didn't know how to think.
I'm just telling you how this guy came off to us, he wasn't a free thinker. And years of being in the group did him no good. Heck we were all at a dead end crappy job where even ex cons got hired. He obviously learned no skills. Bragged about stuff though. Got fired for not following directions, did something foolish and dangerous that made absolutely no sense.
This is just speculation on my experience dealing with someone who was involved with this group. Funny thing was, he said he lived with them and worked for them for free for several years, but never 'joined' them. Whatever that means...He was a very odd fellow.
Are they a cult? Do they show typical signs of a cult? Do they use typical techniques f a cult? I think so. It's obvious.
As an ex-member I can verify a few things as normal for their group: 1) "Stories didn't add up" - This is normal. They keep people disoriented and literally condemn logic, reasoning and rational thought. If you use these things while thinking they increase the stress levels of your day to day life until you crumble.
2) "They tell false things about the Bible hoping you've never actually read it" - Spot on. They cherry pick the book and know certain passages well in order to create their own storyline, but beyond that storyline they are lost to what the book says. This results in massive contradictions, not just between their words and the Bible but between their words and their own words. They have guilt based teachings which cover for this and make you feel wrong for seeing their nonsense for what it is.
3) "he was vulnerable and was still confused and searching" - They explicitly target these type of folks. The leaders literally tell the group behind closed doors to specifically target these types of people. What a person goes through as a guest and as a new baptized member is exponentially different, but there are similarities. One similarity is that they will make you and keep you confused. They want to strip you of all critical thought and get you to believe that your ability to judge a situation is completely unreliable so that you let someone else decide things for you. One new fellow used to say "I'm so glad I don't have to think for myself anymore" and his experience was extremely different than anyone else's because they had no need to break him.
4) "He said that they told him no one in the outside world cares about him." - This is standard daily propaganda for this cult. You hear it morning and evening during their meetings. The leaders drive this one into you while saying empty lovey dovey words. It is difficult to imagine what I'm about to say next, when you look at their life as an outsider, but the honest truth is that their life is extremely lonely. You are being conditioned like an animal constantly in there. Human interactions do not exist as far as people connecting with people. They keep you divided like enemies when it comes to anything other than what a leader has specifically told you to do. Yet they redefine terms to keep you hooked and feeling guilty, all the while repeating daily how evil and non-caring it is outside of their cult.
5) "Pulled the 'any religion can be called a cult' card." - This is one of the things they taught us to say if the cult word came up. Another thing they taught us to say is that "cult just means culture" and that the word is blown out of proportion.
6) "He talked like you can find the answer and proof to something just by accepting a teaching" - This is exactly what guests and new members are taught by the cult. They say that reasoning is evil and is from Satan. They say that their life is not supposed to be logical. They would go on and on with me about how intelligence is evil.
7) "Funny thing was, he said he lived with them and worked for them for free for several years, but never 'joined' them. " - They do have these situations at times. People like him are still considered outsiders to the members though. The life he saw was still not the real nightmare of a baptized member. He would have been kept in the darkness regarding their real conversations, real intentions, real teachings, real goals, ect. Even baptized members are kept in the darkness with this stuff until there is enough mind control established to trust them.
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Re: The Twelve Tribes Commonwealth of Israel, CULT that recruits at festivals. [Re: Half Pint]
#25136149 - 04/13/18 03:39 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for your replies. I have not drank their kool-aid and prefer ours!
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