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Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising?
    #25133314 - 04/12/18 01:53 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Hi everyone, I'm beginning to harvest more and more fruits from my first flush as time goes on, but I noticed that there are still a lot of little pins, and they are turning green/blue towards the top.

In the pictures it looks kinda black but in person it's more of a blue/green color.

Is this bruising, aborts?... Is this normal?



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Re: Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25133332 - 04/12/18 02:07 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Looks like aborts to me :frown:


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Re: Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising? [Re: dont trust midgets]
    #25133333 - 04/12/18 02:08 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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dont trust midgets said:
Looks like aborts to me :frown:



Damn. Is there any way I'll be able to tell? Or will they just stay looking like this and not grow anymore?

And are aborts normal or is It probably from something i did? The pic below is the rest of the tub, do yiu think these will cause me to lose a lot of yield?



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Re: Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25133340 - 04/12/18 02:13 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

They will stay that size and caps will further turn to a black color.  Aborts are normal.  They are a fact of life.  They are caused by substrate not being able to support growth of every pin formed.


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Re: Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising? [Re: hamloaf]
    #25133350 - 04/12/18 02:18 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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They will stay that size and caps will further turn to a black color.  Aborts are normal.  They are a fact of life.  They are caused by substrate not being able to support growth of every pin formed.



Alright sweet at least I know I didn't cause all those :grin:

So when i know they are definitely aborts, should I twist and pull them or try to slice them off with a knife?


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Re: Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25133367 - 04/12/18 02:28 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Have you been moving your tub around a lot?


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Re: Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25133375 - 04/12/18 02:32 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Have you been moving your tub around a lot?



Damn yea everytime I mist it I have to move them. It's shoeboxes in stacks of 2.

Could moving the shoeboxes around cause this? Because I've been doing it every single day since fruiting.


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Re: Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25133394 - 04/12/18 02:38 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah if they bang around a lot you can abort fruits. They don't like to be moved too much. If you must move them you gotta be as gentle as possible and try not to make any 'impact' when setting it down.

This is an extreme example but I once put a fruiting tub in a car because our town was evacuated.

Every single fruit aborted even though I was extremely careful taking it in and out of the car. I think the vibration of the car had something to do with it.


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Re: Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25133398 - 04/12/18 02:40 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Hmmm this is new to me. I have never heard that until now.


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Re: Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25133419 - 04/12/18 02:48 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah if they bang around a lot you can abort fruits. They don't like to be moved too much. If you must move them you gotta be as gentle as possible and try not to make any 'impact' when setting it down.

This is an extreme example but I once put a fruiting tub in a car because our town was evacuated.

Every single fruit aborted even though I was extremely careful taking it in and out of the car. I think the vibration of the car had something to do with it.



Oh wow I'll be more careful when I move them from now on. I hope that wasn't what caused these aborts, that would be a major bummer.

Do you recommend twist and pulling them or cutting them whenever I'm sure they are aborts?


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Re: Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising? [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #25133832 - 04/12/18 06:16 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Hmmm this is new to me. I have never heard that until now.



Yea, me neither.  Curious as to how much of this correlates to said shaking of substrate, or, rather, lack of air movement being the real culprit, because another factor that causes aborts is misting, then sealing up wet mushrooms in a tight fruiting chamber.  High CO2 levels also attribute to abortion of pins.


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Re: Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising? [Re: hamloaf]
    #25133933 - 04/12/18 07:14 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I am envisioning putting a mini mono in a paint shaker now, lol.


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Re: Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising? [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #25135017 - 04/13/18 07:56 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Well.. I just accidentally slipped and set down one of my tubs very very hard. I guess we'll find out soon if it causes aborts or not :facepalm3::facepalm3:


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Re: Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising? [Re: hamloaf]
    #25135058 - 04/13/18 08:12 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

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Hmmm this is new to me. I have never heard that until now.



Yea, me neither.  Curious as to how much of this correlates to said shaking of substrate, or, rather, lack of air movement being the real culprit, because another factor that causes aborts is misting, then sealing up wet mushrooms in a tight fruiting chamber.  High CO2 levels also attribute to abortion of pins.




Just my personal experience. I don't usually go in for quoting RR but in his straw log tek he says that substrates hate being handled. Whether he's refering to the actual contact with the substrate or the vibration / movement thereof is unclear.

I don't think a single big drop will have the same affect as constant handling. A big drop is kinda one-and-done where as repeatedly handling and fucking with seems more likely to stress the mycelium.

I only brought it up in this thread because that substrate doesn't look like it has more mushrooms than it can handle.

Also, we say aborts happen because the substrate can't handle all the mushrooms growing at once, yet we also say that even after 5 flushes all of the energy in grains hasn't been used because grains are so nutritious.

We've also seen plenty of packed canopies where there are no aborts.  That whole thing about substrates not being able to handle all the mushrooms growing sounds like bullshit to me. Mycelium is the master at moving water and extracting nutrition.

So are genetics a factor? Are some combinations of genetics just better at keeping all the mushrooms happy? Does the substrate really not have enough nutrients to support them all? Or is there something environmental going on?

I'm really leaning towards environment.


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Re: Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25135188 - 04/13/18 09:08 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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elasticaltiger said:
Quote:

hamloaf said:
Quote:

TheMadHatter420 said:
Hmmm this is new to me. I have never heard that until now.



Yea, me neither.  Curious as to how much of this correlates to said shaking of substrate, or, rather, lack of air movement being the real culprit, because another factor that causes aborts is misting, then sealing up wet mushrooms in a tight fruiting chamber.  High CO2 levels also attribute to abortion of pins.




Just my personal experience. I don't usually go in for quoting RR but in his straw log tek he says that substrates hate being handled. Whether he's refering to the actual contact with the substrate or the vibration / movement thereof is unclear.

I don't think a single big drop will have the same affect as constant handling. A big drop is kinda one-and-done where as repeatedly handling and fucking with seems more likely to stress the mycelium.

I only brought it up in this thread because that substrate doesn't look like it has more mushrooms than it can handle.

Also, we say aborts happen because the substrate can't handle all the mushrooms growing at once, yet we also say that even after 5 flushes all of the energy in grains hasn't been used because grains are so nutritious.

We've also seen plenty of packed canopies where there are no aborts.  That whole thing about substrates not being able to handle all the mushrooms growing sounds like bullshit to me. Mycelium is the master at moving water and extracting nutrition.

So are genetics a factor? Are some combinations of genetics just better at keeping all the mushrooms happy? Does the substrate really not have enough nutrients to support them all? Or is there something environmental going on?

I'm really leaning towards environment.



Alright sweet, that's a relief that you don't think the big drop will cause any harm.

I wonder what environmental factors caused this then. I've always been conscious of being gentle with the tubs, but I guess maybe not careful enough.

Could over/under misting have caused this or something? I always mist until there is beads of moisture all over the surface and then stop. Sometimes I only mist the sides of the surface because they seem to dry out quicker than the middle in some of the shoeboxes. The picture below is how I keep my surface usually.

I also kept the shoebox lids snapped on all the tubs until a fruit got too big and forced me to dub tub. It. Could that have caused not enough FAE or something?


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Re: Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25135208 - 04/13/18 09:16 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

As ham said, if you do a really heavy misting and then seal the tub up without any air flow you can risk causing aborts.


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Re: Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25135224 - 04/13/18 09:23 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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As ham said, if you do a really heavy misting and then seal the tub up without any air flow you can risk causing aborts.



Damn alright, for some reason I thought shoeboxes had enough FAE to keep the lid on the whole time. Maybe next time I'll try flipping some lids a little sooner.


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Re: Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25135262 - 04/13/18 09:32 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Sirface conditions with proper air flow takes practice. I have hundreds of tubs of experience so I can just look at my substrate and know what it needs immediately. You'll get there with time.

As far as leaving the lids on though I just don't know. I've only ever done two shoeboxes and I fruited them like trays in a monotub.


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"The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT

Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates)

Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen

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Re: Pins turning green/blue under cap. Bruising? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25135269 - 04/13/18 09:35 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Sirface conditions with proper air flow takes practice. I have hundreds of tubs of experience so I can just look at my substrate and know what it needs immediately. You'll get there with time.

As far as leaving the lids on though I just don't know. I've only ever done two shoeboxes and I fruited them like trays in a monotub.



Yea i guess I just need some more experience, after all this is only my first grow.

So when it comes time to harvest, should I twist and pull the aborts or slice them with a knife you think? And when you harvest with a knife does it matter if the cut is level with the surface? Some of my fruits I had to cut at a angle because they were hard to reach

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