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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: LizardWizard]
#27357672 - 06/21/21 02:26 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I spray with BT water at dusk so the sunlight doesn't immediately destroy it.
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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#27358177 - 06/21/21 09:04 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I use pyrethrins when I get a bad infestation, it works but I try to only use it when I need the strong stuff. Other than that I hit them every month or so with neem, then stop when they go into flower.
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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#27358602 - 06/22/21 08:54 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: coolio, good to know. I read that too. I got some for spraying on it a few times until blooming, then I can use light neem oil spray while flowering?
I do a regular schedule with the neem while it's vegging and then my the time it goes into flower the neem is systemic in the plant and it is already resistant. I try not to use neem in flower, and I certainly do not use it more than halfway through flower. I only use pyrethrins if an infestation is out of hand and I need to stop it.
AKA, I honestly wouldn't use my sprayed plants for smoking. Just consider it her taking one for the team. There will be plenty of weed in your future, just like when you start growing mushrooms and then you're sweating the DEA because you suddenly have 10 lbs under the bed. Allegedly.
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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: LizardWizard]
#27358611 - 06/22/21 09:02 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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When used on a regular schedule in vege it works very well for me and does not affect the final taste of my bud. To each their own
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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: Ran-D]
#27358804 - 06/22/21 12:17 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do a mid-light foliar spray and just a little in the soil. I plan to start using neem meal in my mix to see if I can cut back on foliar and quit any root drench.
A lot of this depends on where I'm growing. Last year in the desert it's not as much of a big deal as it is in the Portland area. There's lots of pests in the city to deal with.
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#27359921 - 06/23/21 10:21 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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So from the start I don't think we're looking at landrace correctly. It's something that has been selected by people for the traits they desire and bred to those desires through many generations. Yes they are selected to thrive in their local environment, but that's not the only traits narrowed down over generations by farmers.
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A landrace is a domesticated, locally adapted, traditional variety of a species of animal or plant that has developed over time, through adaptation to its natural and cultural environment of agriculture and pastoralism, and due to isolation from other populations of the species.
So things like Thai, Malawi, hindu kush, ect. These local varieties have been selected for hundreds, if not thousands of generations by local farmers. While it is a somewhat genetically narrowed selection, there is still a ton of variability in landrace genetics with many phenotypes often present. That's why they make such great building blocks for new strains, there's phenos still lurking out there that we've never sampled but some local growers have been puffing for generations. Who knows what great tastes, resiliency, or potency is waiting out there for us to catch up? I think this is what makes landrace varieties so exciting, that there's still new genetics just waiting in a sun soaked field minding their own business. Genetics that haven't been interfered with by the modern corporate breeding juggernaut.
Some of those "Sativa" (I agree the distinction is becoming less useful) genetics are absolutely amazing. Malawi puts a smile on my face that hybrids do not.
My all time hands down favorite bud I have ever grown and smoked was B4 by MTG seeds. I traded one of the people running MTG some auto seeds for a pack of B4 after we had a lovely discussion about genetics when I visited their booth at a local cannabis festival. I popped a few seeds a couple of weeks later and set about growing out the resulting plants. One of them turned out SUPER sativa in it's traits. Extremely stringy and stretched out growth, very sensitive to nutes, 4-5x stretch in flower, 110-120 day flowering sativa, 10-12" between nodes with ping pong sized or smaller buds. Just noodle branches from hell.
The high though. Oh my god the high. It was unreal and I haven't had anything like it since. Extremely anti-anxiety and euphoric. I was bubbly and giggly while still able to think very clearly. I was doing statistics homework while smoking it. It was like smoking rays of sunshine. Once the high was over there was no stone, I would just go back to being dead sober. Absolutely unreal how perfect it was.
I think when people talk about the old sativas these are the traits they are remembering. Those old sativas could punch at the same potency level that a lot of the modern day hybrids can. Just a daytime treat. That's also why older generations remember experiencing weed differently than the stuff we have around these days and why so many of them are put off by it. They have fond memories of smoking imported sativas back in the day and getting to run around all jazzed.
Now we're dealing with a domestic growing market that is geared towards fast output with maximum potency. This has ushered in a wave of hybrids that flower much quicker than the sativas of old and are very potent... and to be honest some of those hybrids really are fucking amazing. Everything is kinda becoming homogenized again though. Everything is grown for bag appeal and quick turn over and the old sativas are again becoming increasingly rare as they are inconvenient to grow in a capitalist market. It's very difficult to find a pure sativa in a disp. these days, especially one grown well and cured properly. Properly growing long flowering plants is an art that is slowly dying out.
So honestly it's not that landrace sativas are being pushed out by superior smoking weed, they are just less profitable.
That's a real shame.
I plan to spend my fall/winter popping the last of my B4 stock and hoping that crazy sativa pheno is in there somewhere. After that I'm going to try and chase down some Malawi genetics/cuts. Gonna have to do it myself since it's not profitable anymore. I swear if I win the lottery I'm going to open a farm in Oregon that only grows sativas 
Icon: I would gladly take you up on a landrace sativa vs. landrace indica blind smoke challenge any day. I have smoked varieties of both and can very much tell the difference. Glad to have this conversation too, I like seeing different viewpoints and discussing things with each other. This is after all how we learn, by sharing.
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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: openmind]
#27359933 - 06/23/21 10:27 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm familiar with "Lush" from Roots, I was planning on getting some last year but my local shop that carries Roots brand stuff didn't have it in.
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Just went back and saw this. Most shops don't carry it, the old guard is very resistant to new things. I'm going to continue harassing my local shop to carry it so i don't have to drive 200 miles for some. Yes, that's how much I like it.
I think the key is to just keep requesting it from them. Sometimes a lil challange helps, tell them to just get a bag and plunk a plant in it and then see how they feel about it.
The MOB I put in a soil mix I made with LUSH is currently EXPLODING in growth. I did not expect this to happen since I mixed the soil the day I put the plant in it ( I KNOW, I know... moving and time constraints) and it's still hot. It's the same explosive growth I see in anything I plunk in Lush.
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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: Icon]
#27361288 - 06/24/21 09:44 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mr Piggy said: Icon: I would gladly take you up on a landrace sativa vs. landrace indica blind smoke challenge any day. I have smoked varieties of both and can very much tell the difference. Glad to have this conversation too, I like seeing different viewpoints and discussing things with each other. This is after all how we learn, by sharing.
Agreed, I'm open to learning and changing my opinion too because I'm certainly no expert or claim to understand the entourage effects of cannabis. The more I learn about cannabis the more myths are uncovered. That's cool at least some of you have been around to try the OG strains.
I love data more than personal experience though. Maybe tolerance was less of an issue in the 70s and a couple puffs of landrace was the perfect amount to get buzzed without intoxication. Mr Piggy you might not be best for a blind test since you may recognize the terps from experience. Then again, I think that's how you could be fooled - if a heavy strain had some fruity terps or whatever is "sativa" to your brain.
Leafly kinda sucks now but if I use it for example you can search the landrace sativa strains - Durban Poison for example. And other popular sativas that are renown for energy like Green Crack and Sour Diesel. The user reports for effects are all close to 50% for euphoric, happiness, uplifted, etc. That's why I think it's more complicated than just sativa = up. Growing conditions, maturity, chemotype, tolerance, dose, body chemistry, mood, personality, etc. If it was as consistent as adderall it'd be like 90% saying so.
I was born in the eighties, was never there for the 70s. I would talk to the old heads about the things they smoked and how it made them feel. I also did a lot of reading on this subject about eight years back when people started talking more about it. The potency I am referencing is from tests that were done on the old lines (haze, durban, thai, ect) and they are just as potent as modern day "strains." I can't link to data, but it was there in the write up and it was legit. Where else do these modern plants get their potency from if not from their parents?
Personally I do not have the strongest grasp on terps and their qualities, my experience comes from smoking lots of different strains over time and getting a wee bit obsessive about lineage. Being able to pick up a bud, look at it, smell it, smoke it, and possibly know it's lineage is a treat... but I'm also divorced and probably should have put more time into everyday life 
I don't use Leafly for strain info since it's all based on hearsay and whatever corporate cannabis wants them to say. My go to for years when I needed to fill in a blank is seedfinder https://en.seedfinder.eu/search/lineage/
They have an interactive web map of strain lineage that is *chefs kiss*
It's not perfect, but it's a fuck of a lot better than Leafly and has a much longer history that is user made like a wiki.
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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: Hobbit GDF]
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I go direct to soil after soaking my seeds. My success rate has been not great lately, but I attribute that to old and improperly stored seed stock.
When I have fresh or well stored seeds it's about 99%
I also live in a higher humidity environment, so if I lived somewhere dry I would probably use a dome.
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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: A.k.a]
#27361642 - 06/24/21 02:49 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Iβve got a mono with two shoeboxes and a jar full of cuttings inside. I didnβt want to make something and it was the perfect environment.
Have you guys heard of a breeder called alien labs? One of my friends thatβs really into weed raves about them. Supposedly they do smaller batches of high quality stuff but idk. The pictures look great but the stuff sells for 75-100 an eighth which is ridiculous. He got super excited about finding a seed in a bag of βXenoβ and wants me to grow it now. Quick google shows that strain seems to clock in at 30%+ so Iβm gonna give it a shot.
Another super noob growth question. I think these lcxcn are just really slow flowerers but I want to see what you guys think. Tomorrow will be day 35 since flipping.

It seems like most grow journals I see have way bigger buds at this point, but then my healthiest plant took like three weeks to start showing a lot of pistils so Iβm hoping theyβre just taking their time and itβs not a health or light issue.
You stripped A LOT of the fan leaves off of that plant. It might be stressed and stalling out right now. It's also not that far along, give it more time and space to grow. Just keep feeding it and giving it light and good rh/temps. They don't like to be messed with too much once the get along in flowering, at that point just give them room to do their thing.
Also just a heads up, you never know what you're going to get from a bagseed. It could end up being potent and awesome or a complete dud. I popped two seeds from the same sensi star I grew last year and one is VERY indica and the other is stretchy and favors sativa variability in genetics is awesome.
That said bagseeds are my FAVORITE grows. Who knows what you're going to get?!
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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: LizardWizard]
#27361652 - 06/24/21 02:54 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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LizardWizard said: I think that might just be a plant that's genetically preset to give small buds with little weight. It happens. Stable bulk weight strains don't generally have it, but that's why cuttings are used by professional growers. It could also be temperature or VPD point related. Whenever a heat wave strikes here during the bulking stage of bloom, the bulking stays out or is diminished. Not every strain/plant is equally affected though.
Ugh, it's going to be 109 here on Sunday. I know those aren't big numbers to a lot of you, but up here in NW Oregon a lot of things are going to die off. Fire season is going to be a whole new hell a lot of people aren't ready for. Worried about some of my younger plants and probably going to whack one of the autos.
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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: Ran-D]
#27361664 - 06/24/21 03:04 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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We've looking at the extinction of southern Oregon salmon runs if those out of state fucktards the Bundies breach the dams. I'm getting real fucking tired of out of state crusaders fucking with our resources.
Climate change is happening my friend. This is how it is going to be now, each year will be a bit worse. Crops are starting to fail and at 1.5-3 degrees Celsius global temp raise we're looking at global crop failure. At our current rate that's 2025-2030.
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#27361708 - 06/24/21 03:42 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree. I think there's room for the classics and new things. I admit I am confused by what appears to be the homogenization of new strains. Everything is starting to look and taste the same to me, just all gorilla cookie skittles or whatever. There's no great variability anymore and it makes me sad. I think I'm going to dedicate my little tent to growing out some classic sativas and curing them properly.
Not saying the old strains are superior, but thanks to their flowering time they are very difficult to find. I want to run some Thai, Nevilles, Oldtimer's Haze, and if I can find it some pure grinspoon. I miss the high where my whole face is warm and I just want to RUN!
I also want to use one of my autos as a base plant to try and make some of the old sativas into autos. What a difficult and fun task that would be
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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: A.k.a]
#27361727 - 06/24/21 04:01 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bros Grimm C99 is fucking great, enjoy it!
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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: LizardWizard]
#27362565 - 06/25/21 10:21 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, if it's going to get rude and racist in here I'm just going to dip out for a while. That's not my kind of scene, y'all do you.
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#27363952 - 06/26/21 09:45 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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For it to be a strain it needs to be true breeding. A one off F1 is not a new strain, it is pollen chucking. Sure you can reproduce homogenous F1 seed from clones of two parents, but it's still not a strain. Sure you can produce a killer clone on a one off bag seed, but it's still not a strain. (blue dream is a single plant cloned to infinity, not a strain)
A lot of what people are doing these days is simply crossing something popular once or twice and claiming it's new. The best weed I've had in a dispensary in the past several years is some Malawi I picked up at a dispensary a week ago. Guess I just like old landrace sativas 
I'd still put up "older" strains against modern ones. I think AK47 and White Widow can still kick the pants off of any cookies-cake-glue hybrid.
I think is is absolutely asinine to assume we have learned everything about a plant we have only just lifted the restrictions on studying. There are so many phenotypes involving flavor, color, grade of high that we have simply not seen yet. Just absolute beauties sitting in a farmers field soaking up the sun as they have for thousands of generations.
The "leading edge genetics" that we are working with in our modern western world are only a small sample of the whole genetic variation of cannabis. We've inbred and crossed them to infinity with a bottlenecked supply of genetics and think we have unlocked all there is. Maybe we have unlocked most of what is available to us in our limited samples. That part I believe is true. What I simply refuse to believe is that this encompasses the entirety of the cannabis genetic potential.
Now as for "Mexican beaner weed" that you're shitting on...
To date the largest Sinsemilla (Oh, a spanish word. I WONDER WHO PIONEERED THE MASS GROWING OF SEEDLESS CANNABIS?!) grow to date is the 2,500 acre plantation run by Rafael Caro Quintero for the Guadalajara Cartel. This method was imported from MEXICO to the united states after old heads smoked sinsemilla and discovered how much better it was. So we have them to thank for that. Sure lots of garbage brick weed came in too, everyone with access to land and water got in on selling weed to ignorant GΓΌeros who would buy anything available without a concept of grade. The reason for the need to import cannabis was we only had sativas in north america at that point. With the introduction of afghani genetics the need to import went away as we could now grow domestic and have it finish in time for the seasons. Unfortunately this also introduced lethargic cannabis and the slow crawl of the indica juggernaut due to it's quick turnover time. A good example of this would be DJ Short's blueberry. While primarily thai and Oaxacan genetics, Short introduced male afghani pollen to reduce the flowering times while retaining the female sativa's flavor profiles. While he did successfully reduce flowering times and retain fruity profiles, he also created a super sedative strain.
So in reality we only had a short period of time where sativas were being mass grown sensi, not enough time to really get the attention they deserved while being run to potential. But I'm sure uncle Fudds moldy miracle grow afghani was far superior to what was coming in over the boarder.
As for the speculation about landrace sativas and their potency, this has literally been tested. The thing about extremely stabilized lines that have been going for thousands of generations is they remain true breeding to this day. Thus we can test these strains to this day as they are the same the were 30-40 years ago. Lots of the old sativas test at 20%+ on THC.
When I talk about sativa strains being psychedelic I am not talking about second hand info from old heads, I am talking about the landrace sativas that I have personally smoked. None if it had PCP or any other drug on it. We're talking pure sativa. So I am absolutely speaking from person experience when I say I have smoked straight up psychedelic weed. Heart racing, face hot, perception altered, tripping out weed.
So I don't just disagree with you, icon, about the genetic variability of cannabis and the potential left in landrace strains... the results do as well.
And I agree with you Liz that often sativa potential is squandered, but I don't agree with your racist bullshit and I would appreciate it if you checked that at the door.
Things had been going pretty well in here with people being able to have civil discussions about cannabis while disagreeing. I don't know what crawled up everyone's ass in the past day or two, but it's incredibly disappointing. Do better, be better.
I'm going to go tend to my plants, my MOB is already three times larger than I planned for and I need to start constructing a support structure for what is going to be a massive plant. I think I'm quite done with theory for a while, I want to go back to just fussing with my plants and having discussions with growers.
I'll see y'all down the road.
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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: A.k.a]
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A.k.a said: Damn you guys have some nice stuff going.
Iβm having a problem with my tall plant which has been really finicky itβs whole life.

What makes the leaves fold down like this? It was a little light colored a couple weeks ago so i was slowly pushing the nutrients until it got a little darker and then backed off. Idk if this is over feed delayed by the soil or something else. Whatβs weird is it seems to only be happening on the branches that havenβt been getting as much light this week. I donβt have enough room so I rotate them every fourth day when I water.
Looks like you might have pushed the N a bit far.
Also, what are your temps in the grow area?
What is your soil PH?
Do you let the soil dry a little between waterings? Sometimes droopy leaves happen from overwatering.
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LizardWizard said: If you are an American and you are not a native, you're a usurper and your refusal to vacate taken land could be compared to genocide. Don't believe it? How do you feel about the situation in Israel/Palestine today? Why?
I was raised by a DinΓ© woman who educated me from a young age on Indigenous genocide and and I'm an Ashkenazi who apposes Israeli apartheid. Yes, I obviously benefit from racism, and it's something I actively work on every day.
Racist jokes aren't ribbing or good fun, they're just racist. Deflecting doesn't change that.
Please refrain from using racial slurs. That's a reasonable and very simple request.
I like coming in here and talking about cannabis with y'all. I'd like for this to be a safe spot for other people to come in and do that as well.
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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: A.k.a]
#27374870 - 07/05/21 10:30 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Little runt redeeming itself

If you ever get the chance to run a sea of green with autos in half gallons, it's a blast!
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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: A.k.a]
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A.k.a said: Iβm considering chopping a couple branches now and then waiting a week to take more or all of the rest. Do you guys think itβs too soon?

Without the ability to look at tricomes with a magnifying glass or jewelers loupe, I cannot say for shure. To my eyes they appear to need more time.
Get yourself a jewelers loupe so you can track the progress of your tricomes.
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