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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25265581 - 06/13/18 12:29 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

The thing with GG#4, Skittles, and many other strains held in high regards is that they are clone only strains. In the case of Gorilla Glue it was only available privately if you knew the right people for like the first year or so, which really helps the hype.

Whether selfed seeds or crosses retain the high potency remains to be seen, and as you said light intensity and overall growing conditions are the main factor.

Also, I wouldn't rely on High Times cup winners, these cups are well known to be rigged and just given to the highest paying breeder. Hence all the subpar cup winners from Arjan/Greenhouse Seeds, Sensi Seeds etc...


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25265607 - 06/13/18 12:39 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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This one seed bank has Hindu Kush listed at tops 18% thc and it's only $59/5 seeds vs gorilla glue at 26% thc and $79/5

I notice sometimes there's variances between seed banks in their numbers but if anyone's gonna have reliable numbers it's them, they breed catalog maintain and run these strains.

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Bruce banner is up to 30% :mushroom2: :rasta:

They say there was Bruce banner 1-5 and #3 was the best, chosen at the cannabis cup.

Pretty sure all the seeds I got except maybe the black widow are oast cannabis cup winners. Supposedly banner #3 and gorilla glue #4 that I mentioned earlier are like in the top five strains in the world. You can trace the lineage and at that point it's all top tier stuff. Eady to believe they're in the top ten or twenty with no argument, I don't know if weed like this used to exist honestly.

Speaking of for fellow nerds like me, they say Hindu Kush is a 100% indica which I find interesting. I guess there's a lot of those

Bc they make a big stink about Durban Poison bring the last true sativa left in the world it's a hot commodity right now. Some American marijuana enthusiast spotted this specimen out in Durban Africa in the 70s and brought it home at the height of marinuanas illegality in America and his find is the cultivar for all Durban Poison today.

They've bred all the pure sativas away I guess. I find it interesting




That Durban Poison info is pretty interesting. Because of prohibition we probably have more limited genetics. I wonder if anybody tries to find cannabis in the wild and mix them with other strains to get different effects whether it be growing or the amount of active chemicals. I would like to find some wild strains to experiment with.

I'm getting really into autoflower plants. I'm excited to try them out and wish I would have started with them. They are as strong as most strains or close and they grow way faster, just less quantity which would be a good thing for growing for personal use. I have seen some auto's that get almost as big as regular seeds

The best strain I've ever tried is Sunset Sherbet. Taste was top notch and so was the high. Don't know about growing it though


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25265623 - 06/13/18 12:46 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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The thing with GG#4, Skittles, and many other strains held in high regards is that they are clone only strains



This ^^^
If you want good genetics clones is were its at, seeds are very hit n miss, the hk that everyone i kno grows is old genetics that you can only get from clones, and it always tests at 26-30% thc, if your growing hk n only getting 18% you got shitty genetics or dont onow how to grow


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #25265634 - 06/13/18 12:50 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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I wonder if anybody tries to find cannabis in the wild and mix them with other strains to get different effects whether it be growing or the amount of active chemicals. I would like to find some wild strains to experiment with.



Some breeders do indeed work with wild landraces, one example is Ace Seeds out of Spain. Haven't been too convinced with the one strain I grew from them though, the Violeta.

If you think about it, current strains obviously come from wild landraces at the beginning in the 60's.
Hippies would travel to Nepal, India, Afghanistan, Jamaica and bring seeds back. Soldiers would go to Vietnam and bring seeds back. With the Gulf War & Iraq too.

Cannabis is so good today because so many people have been breeding all these wild strains from around the world for over 50 years, and then breeding what others bred and so on. Starting back from scratch is sort of counter productive imo.

Check-out Strain Hunters on youtube, cool documentaries.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25265866 - 06/13/18 02:37 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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The thing with GG#4, Skittles, and many other strains held in high regards is that they are clone only strains. In the case of Gorilla Glue it was only available privately if you knew the right people for like the first year or so, which really helps the hype.

Whether selfed seeds or crosses retain the high potency remains to be seen




So are these sterile strains then?

I just planted a whole lot of gardening and I'm hearing my new Guinea Impatiens are the same way. I wonder why that is.

Sunset sherbet hmm.. I won't forget that name.

I haven't tried autos yet bc I want to learn the details first im a detail guy.

I may have mentioned this already but I learned auto flowers are a cross with a third species of marijuana, the ruderalis.

These are small hemp like plants that don't look much like the indicas or sativas I've read theyre short and have very low thc content but they've evolved to live their whole life cycle under 24hr sun bc they're from Alaska, Siberia, the upper Arctic circle where it's daylight for 3months straight. Fascinating.

So it's my understanding a Bruce banner auto for example is a quality bud mated with an underwhelming plant that we want it's genetics. I'm worried the THC will be less always bc of that, and the size is known to be smaller. I'd love to grow one but right now bc I have to be stealth I like controlling when to flip.

I had assumed the guy brought back a clone or something on the Durban Poison bc what I read said the word "cultivar" but it's very likely be brought back seeds.

Of which were probably breeder and weeded doen to the best he liked, which probably became the Durban Poison cultivar for America.

I didn't know there would be so much variance in potency from seed to seed I guess since each different strain is actually wildly different with marijuana unlike cubensis I expected marijuana to be consistent with it's qualities I guess too

Edit : just found a seed in my apple pie! Only one from this bag but it's mature!

It's neat getting excited about seeds for a change. It's almost like cracker Jack's or something now, hidden surprises worth getting stoked about


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25267447 - 06/14/18 09:02 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Two Harvest Questions Pretty Please :grin:

How do you keep bud from over drying during the curing process? Humdity packs or a piece of lettuce in the cure jar? What is your preferred length of cure time from the minute you drop in the jars to when you rip off a hunk for chiefing?

Second question... just looking at a finishing plant whos been on nothing but a water or sweet diet for a 7-14 days... what are you looking for in the physical appearance of the plant that says 'this is it. Anything less would be dissapointing and anything more would be harmful.' Example would be, the sweet leaves starting to yellow. You consider this a good spot to chop, too long, or close but not yet?


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #25267516 - 06/14/18 09:51 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Two Harvest Questions Pretty Please :grin:

How do you keep bud from over drying during the curing process? Humdity packs or a piece of lettuce in the cure jar? What is your preferred length of cure time from the minute you drop in the jars to when you rip off a hunk for chiefing?

Second question... just looking at a finishing plant whos been on nothing but a water or sweet diet for a 7-14 days... what are you looking for in the physical appearance of the plant that says 'this is it. Anything less would be dissapointing and anything more would be harmful.' Example would be, the sweet leaves starting to yellow. You consider this a good spot to chop, too long, or close but not yet?



My method of drying is wait until the bud stems snap with no flex, jar it up and open the lid the jar for 30 mins once a day for one month.
I would only put a piece of lettuce or orange peel if you overdried the weed and it crumbles to dust when squishing a bud.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Psilosion]
    #25267526 - 06/14/18 09:56 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Right now I try to only work with something passed down from Chemdawg (the breeder), or from Dinafem (just reliable with strains).

Boss Hoggs (Chem4 Incross) high felt like almost doubled in potency compared to anything I placed beside it, im working with a different pheno right now unsure of its potency.

Autoflowers are cool I reccomend the white widow auto from dinafem bitch gets gigantic buds if lollipopped ill go grab some pics if I can find them, they wont be good ones though because I didnt get too good of pics of it. For non lollipopping I'd go with bubblegum from nirvana gave me a nice yield and many colas, they wouldnt stop growing colas really liked that strain as well, potency of both strains were right up where they should be. If you want a for sure dark purple almost black buds I know one I think it has bubba in the breeder name.

These were fighting algae on roots in this container,  since I have bought better containers for an sog setup.


This pineapple express auto wasnt as large and nowhere near as dense as that white widow.The white widow bud dwarfed these buds.




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id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote]

[quote]sublimistri said:
this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
    #25267593 - 06/14/18 10:29 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

It's hard to put moisture back into buds when curing. The best way is to not let them dry too much. Lettuce or citrus peels usually just lead to mold.

I used to dry them and then jar them. If they feel too wet after a day or so, I would spread them back out flat and let them dry for an hour or however long before putting them back into their curing jars.

I would say two weeks at minimum in curing before good smoking. Curing is a long process, so the buds will slowly change over time. It's interesting to smoke a homegrown bud that's been properly cured for a year or so.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: El Torcho]
    #25267599 - 06/14/18 10:32 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Its not hard to add moisture you can use a fresh or half dried cannabis leaf.

I found adding moisture sucks and you would want a way longer curing time because of it if it will ever get to normal state. Like spraying in some cologne and trying to cure it out.

I prefer to smoke too dry than too wet.


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[quote]sublimistri said:
id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote]

[quote]sublimistri said:
this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
    #25267628 - 06/14/18 10:39 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Here's some pictures of my plants this year.
Most of them are Girl Scout Cookies,
the rest are from random seeds from good buds I smoked throughout the year.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
    #25267645 - 06/14/18 10:45 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Right now I try to only work with something passed down from Chemdawg (the breeder), or from Dinafem (just reliable with strains).

Boss Hoggs (Chem4 Incross) high felt like almost doubled in potency compared to anything I placed beside it, im working with a different pheno right now unsure of its potency.

Autoflowers are cool I reccomend the white widow auto from dinafem bitch gets gigantic buds if lollipopped ill go grab some pics if I can find them, they wont be good ones though because I didnt get too good of pics of it. For non lollipopping I'd go with bubblegum from nirvana gave me a nice yield and many colas, they wouldnt stop growing colas really liked that strain as well, potency of both strains were right up where they should be. If you want a for sure dark purple almost black buds I know one I think it has bubba in the breeder name.

These were fighting algae on roots in this container,  since I have bought better containers for an sog setup.


This pineapple express auto wasnt as large and nowhere near as dense as that white widow.The white widow bud dwarfed these buds.







Nice buds! I ordered Northern Lights auto, Afghan Mass auto, and the last one is called something like sweet soma auto. I'll check out those strains for next time.

I'm going to mix my own soil this time. I have organic soil, coir, perlite, worm casting, and bone meal. Anything else I should add in?


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lophosaurus] * 1
    #25267648 - 06/14/18 10:48 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I dont like mixing nutes into my soils. I like the plants to only get what I give them and not have any random or unknown. Id personally go with perlite/coir and then feed them when they show me they need feeding with a complete nutrient made for similar use (like the hydro fert since soilless will contain nothing of value like water).

worm casting is ok since its not a heavy fert but it will yuck up the soil

The main time ive really ever nute burned plants was mixing into soil

Below shouldnt be nute(nitrogen) burn it should be salts from not wanting to change water, it was the first time using this sog setup and without an alteration to design they all fell over when water was replaced, being tall sativa strain instead of short indicas it was a mess.

Day 68 dinafem amnesia




Still wasnt done 3 months or so in to my taste so i cut them early.



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[quote]sublimistri said:
id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote]

[quote]sublimistri said:
this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
    #25267718 - 06/14/18 11:20 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Do you recommend doing that with autoflowers too? I was reading that you shouldn't feed autoflowers that much and not until flowering because the soil will give them plenty of nutrients. When growing mushrooms I would add as much stuff as possible, within reason, and that always seemed to give me better results. Same with veggies

I was planning something like

1.5 parts soil
1 part perilite
1 part coir

Then adding more or less of whatever to get good consistency.

then mixing the other stuff in as recommended for weed and the amount of soil. Actually I will probably do less than recommended because I have fertilizer that I could add if needed.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #25267722 - 06/14/18 11:24 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I do that because I have control over the plants nutrients, if I do over fert which doesnt happen I can flush it out completely.

The plant if anything will mostly be under ferted and you give it some food, this prevents over and under feeding for the most part, you have full control.

this was the mothers of like almost 50 strains before I got fucked over by basically cussing out a bank manager


compared to hydro root trimming and watering these were a bitch.


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[quote]sublimistri said:
id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote]

[quote]sublimistri said:
this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]


Edited by merch137 (06/14/18 11:30 AM)


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #25267734 - 06/14/18 11:31 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Dude Psilo, youre killing it bro. Excellent work.  I cant wait til fall... :hehehe: and i know you really can't wait!

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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #25267787 - 06/14/18 12:07 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Absolutely!! I can hardly wait for October to come around every year.
Last year's crop was so bad, half the size of these when fully finished.
This year I used 5 gallon buckets with bottoms drilled out so much it looks more like a plastic netting. I tilled the ground below like crazy so it could root into the ground. So far so good, :blush: Thanks Lipa!


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Psilosion]
    #25267791 - 06/14/18 12:09 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Of course buddy, keep us posted :heart:


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Psilosion]
    #25267817 - 06/14/18 12:26 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I would probably have the majority of my outdoors crop as autos (well it is easy to clone mothers and put them out there but with autos you can keep harvesting).


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[quote]sublimistri said:
id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote]

[quote]sublimistri said:
this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Psilosion]
    #25268690 - 06/14/18 07:58 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Here's some pictures of my plants this year.
Most of them are Girl Scout Cookies,
the rest are from random seeds from good buds I smoked throughout the year.






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