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Doc9151
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Bph]
#27674537 - 02/26/22 05:02 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Bph said: Do you guys think this could be a phenotype? It’s been curled up the whole grow and this is by far the largest healthiest looking plant in the tent except for the fact the leaves are all wonky.

Looks like it has strong ruderalis genetics
Edit: any light leaks? It looks like it could have revegged as well, I get funky leaves when I regrow a plant or switch from flower to veg again.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Doc9151]
#27674708 - 02/26/22 07:10 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I'm seeing it a bit better on my phone oddly enough. The screen at work is a normal pc.
Yeah something going on. She's obviously sensitive. Notice the lack of burn at the curls. I think it's safe to say the genetics are prone to react to something lol. Next top of the pic where the curl touches. I see thin spots in that leaf. Might be a trick of the light but it looks like the light is shining through. Lower right. Looks like possibly the same splotches as above from the top view. There's some yellowing and a small spot of heavier damage.
You guys are hard to keep track of.
Weren't you doing a home made soil? Could be wrong.

My initial thought is toxicity or deficiency, but so many damn things can cause the claws. Could be wind burn. Pests. A combination of. It's a long list. We can pick it apart though.
All in all, I wouldn't call what you are seeing a phenotype. I do think it could qualify as a sensitivity trait. Provided it's not viral.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Bph] 1
#27674732 - 02/26/22 07:37 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Bph said: Do you guys think this could be a phenotype? It’s been curled up the whole grow and this is by far the largest healthiest looking plant in the tent except for the fact the leaves are all wonky.

Looks real healthy. Maybe too healthy. I bet those tips burn and might be a sign of too much fert and possibly over watering.
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That or a ventilation issue, like the plants sitting in a draft. Looks more like an N issue though.
But it looks to me like it's just a strain that's highly sensitive to N. The Nevil's haze I'm growing will always have clawing leaves at the start. One year I tried cutting the potting soil I use for all others with 50% seedling and cutting soil to see if that helped and all it did was make sure the plant suffered more losses later in the grow, and I still got the clawing leaves.
I can't answer if that's the case here.
With strains that claw a lot these days I sometimes just kinda skip the vegetative nutrients. I'll still give them the regular doses of root stim, calmag, but instead of grow nutes I add a low dose of bloom nutes , a little bit of PK boost, and every now and then I'll feed them a splash of the regular veg feeding water the others get. I basically just make sure I cut back on N more than should reasonably be necessary. It helps, but only so much.
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Damn man 15 weeks and it’s still half white?? That’s pretty gnarly.
I’m sure it’s just coincidence but I’ve been using epsom for a week or so now and the smell the last couple days is intense. Like slap you in the face when you open the flap strong.
The Afghan is finally developing a scent too, it’s completely unlike any of the other stuff I’ve grown so far. Its like a strong new car smell with a little bit of perfume or flowers in the background.
Super impressed with the c99 speed still. 7 weeks and only one or two white pistils and the trichomes are going white.

I saw a few people saying it finished so quick it was tough to make seeds from. Not quite but close.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: A.k.a] 2
#27675230 - 02/27/22 09:04 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I’ve been using mainly feminized seeds lately so I forgot about these Huckmonkey seeds I traded for a while back. Already started germinating some Strawberry Cough for my next run, but I think these will be in the following run!
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: A.k.a]
#27675232 - 02/27/22 09:06 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Damn man 15 weeks and it’s still half white?? That’s pretty gnarly.
I’m sure it’s just coincidence but I’ve been using epsom for a week or so now and the smell the last couple days is intense. Like slap you in the face when you open the flap strong.
The Afghan is finally developing a scent too, it’s completely unlike any of the other stuff I’ve grown so far. Its like a strong new car smell with a little bit of perfume or flowers in the background.
Super impressed with the c99 speed still. 7 weeks and only one or two white pistils and the trichomes are going white.

I saw a few people saying it finished so quick it was tough to make seeds from. Not quite but close.
Looking frosty!
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: A.k.a] 2
#27675236 - 02/27/22 09:11 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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the_chosen_one said: I'm seeing it a bit better on my phone oddly enough. The screen at work is a normal pc.
Yeah something going on. She's obviously sensitive. Notice the lack of burn at the curls. I think it's safe to say the genetics are prone to react to something lol. Next top of the pic where the curl touches. I see thin spots in that leaf. Might be a trick of the light but it looks like the light is shining through. Lower right. Looks like possibly the same splotches as above from the top view. There's some yellowing and a small spot of heavier damage.
You guys are hard to keep track of.
Weren't you doing a home made soil? Could be wrong.

My initial thought is toxicity or deficiency, but so many damn things can cause the claws. Could be wind burn. Pests. A combination of. It's a long list. We can pick it apart though.
All in all, I wouldn't call what you are seeing a phenotype. I do think it could qualify as a sensitivity trait. Provided it's not viral.
PH is where I start with deficiency, but with the funky looking leafs on yours, it makes me think genetics or lighting. I've accidentally bumped a timer button and the light came on for 15mins during lights off time for I don't know how long until I noticed it on one day when it should have been off.
It's interesting that you pointed out clawing from other caused outside of nitrogen toxicity, that's new to me, because nitrogen was the only thing that I knew that caused it. Learning little things like this is exactly what I love about the shroomery community. It's so much easier for me to learn in this type of environment than reading boring and/or poorly written and illustrated books. Having access to the internet while in the field has also been a tremendous tool for me, because after the last stroke, I have to look things up over and over because I can't always recall the information as quickly as before the stroke.
Yes, I'm making my own homemade potting soil, will post pics at the end of this post. I was fortunate to have parents and grandparents who educated me on how to forage for some of my medications and cultivate them. Farming and victory gardens were part of normal, every day life for us. My first experience with cannabis was at age 7 or 8, I had a nasty case of the flu. Mom would blow me shotguns to ease the nausea and stomach cramps, as well as helping me to sleep. She would also make a tea from the flower by steeping it in boiling water, strain and added lemon and honey. It helped sooth a sore throat and relax the body while providing essential vitamins and other nutrients. My people had been using it for about 300 yrs at that point for both medicine and divination, but they would have been arrested for giving me real natural medicine that doesn't have the side-effects of man made drugs.
Ok! Here's the brickweed seed plants that are in my homemade soil and now outside transitioning to full sun. Im so freaking pissed!!!🤬 something has been eating my plants, chewed off the stem and hauled ass with the rest and they had to climbed inside of a trailer with wire mesh sides. The 3 in the smaller pots were hit.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Doc9151] 2
#27675242 - 02/27/22 09:18 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Loving this Slurricane outdoors, what a beaut, rock hard buds.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: DERRAYLD] 1
#27675254 - 02/27/22 09:28 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Looks tasty. Can’t wait til I can grow outdoors. Wish they would just go ahead and nationally legalize.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Doc9151]
#27675279 - 02/27/22 09:58 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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What is a victory garden?
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Enjoil]
#27675330 - 02/27/22 10:55 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Just some old school shit
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Enjoil]
#27675332 - 02/27/22 10:57 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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those look good. the slurricane & c99.
my X18 is looking pretty good.
   they all suffered a little from solo cup to transplant and being in reused soil that was lightly amended. they are all recovered now and growing great. the X18 or cider kush is a heirloom landrace so im really excited about her and how she will grow and smell. im letting her or him grow natural without any training. i plan on cloning her and making sure i can get pollen one way or another. i dont have very many of the seeds but im sure i can get a male or just reverse one of the females.
also here is the wedding cheesecake auto cross is this a deficiency?
 and im pretty sure the cross is with jawa pie because i have written down it was jawa pie and gorilla girl xl auto. i had to go back and check the books. lol. so the smell coming from her is nothing like the mother (she smelled like cream cheese icing leaning on the cheesy side) and this wedding cheesecake smell more like lime citrus with a hint of cheese making it a lime yogurt smell. the jawa pie is a very limey strain. so i beleive by smell and what is written down in my books it is Wedding Cheesecake Auto X Jawe Pie
I didn't plan to continue breeding her. it was just a fun cross but now she is pregnant with seeds. seeds will be (WCAxJP) x tatooine donut ((LCxCN)x jawa pie)
so that's kind of cool that both of them had jawa pie as their father. i wish she had more of a cheese smell like the mother, fastbuds -wedding cheesecake auto
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@DERRAYLD That's looking very nice!!
@Enjoil The name victory garden was coined during WW2, it's a home vegetable and herb garden because most products were being diverted to the war effort. But! I am Poarch band Creek, we have always been poor and had to have supplemental gardens and food animals like pigs, chickens and rabbits. We were lucky to get a cow when I was kid, at least until my stepfather (my dad] came along and exposed me to the world.
When I retired from the military I started reviving a lot of the things that I learned in my youth, in order to pass them on to my own children and grandchildren. I have very found memories of family gathering with fresh farm to table food, the best kind of food. There's nothing better than chicken that was walking in the yard an hour earlier or fresh peas picked that morning and shelled.
As for the herbs, and medicinal plants, I try to keep things like lemon balm, cannabis, Solanum, Rose, Citrus, Aloe, Rosemary, Basil, Digitalis purpurea to name some and there's several others that I want to add. It breaks my heart the amount of knowledge that has been lost by indigenous peoples, including Europeans, but between the church and greedy governments that knowledge was deliberately taken away.
@Hobbit How do you like the black cloth pots? I have some more chamomile color that have done well but I always felt black would be better to keep light out of the root zone.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Doc9151]
#27675568 - 02/27/22 01:37 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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i like them alot. you can find about any size and shape. i have some 4 gal that are slim and tall and 3 & 5 gal ones that are short and wide. so its cool to be able to find sizes that fit good. i would like to get some slimmer 5gal ones. i have square 3gal fabric pots that when they are full they are about 5 gallons and not square anymore.
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Hobbit GDF said: I'm only on week 5 day 3 so they have 5 /- weeks to go. I'm following a nutrient schedule. aurora root organics dry lineup.
Yuh plenty of time, I always get worried when I see leaves that dark thinking pm is waiting around the corner.
@DOC9151
Super rad you're passing that knowledge down, give em everything you can! Wish I had more time with my great grandparents, they lived that lifestyle. It's how I live now, but I've learned everything I know about medicinals through reading ect n personal exploration. My family went the opposite way of life my great grandparents lived, but at that time you wanted to be American not whatever is your hertiage. Now family will ask me for advice on gardens, herbs, ect.. *facepalm moments*
I guess this is a perfect time to share this... The other week I started soaking healing herbs in oil. The base is comfrey leaf(dynamic accumulator/also wonderful compost for cannabis), white willow bark, st.johns wort, chamomile, tulsi, neem, mullein, and cannabis but each half gallon also has it's own mixture of extra herbs n terpy plants to make it smell good. If anyone wants to hear the full recipes holler, I don't have the notebook on me right now. Anyways they soak for 2 months minimum, strained multiple times thru a fine filter, cbd added, then can be made into salves or kept as oil and passed out to the family n homies.


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hey chosen one. i dont have the link to the organic homemade nutes. can you help me out so i can save it to favorites.
i just seen that apple fritters grandma or grandpa is C99. my apple fritter is growing slow still and like lettuce looking. i topped them so they will bush out more. very short compared to all the other strains in the tent.
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https://www.unconventionalfarmsupply.com/unconventional-farmer-links
I've been passing a kidney stone since 9am. Think I'm through the worst, but the experience always leaves me beyond exhausted and stupidly emotional. So I'm going to get really cheesy and have a group hug moment.
You guys and gals are pretty cool. I'm really happy to be growing with all of you.
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the_chosen_one said: https://www.unconventionalfarmsupply.com/unconventional-farmer-links
I've been passing a kidney stone since 9am. Think I'm through the worst, but the experience always leaves me beyond exhausted and stupidly emotional. So I'm going to get really cheesy and have a group hug moment.
You guys and gals are pretty cool. I'm really happy to be growing with all of you.


Glad you’re feeling better. I was in the ER with a kidney stone last year. Hurt like a mother.
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Doc9151
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I feel for ya!! That is not something I would wish for anyone, my ex wife gets'em bad. She had to have lithotripsy to bust'em up and then stand on her head and shit to try to get the fragments out of the lower kidney, it was some funny but no so funny shit to watch.
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