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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #27313732 - 05/18/21 12:02 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

If you have mites in the soil (root mites) they will not be in your leaves.  If you have spider mites on your leaves they will not be in the soil.  Kinda like body lice and head lice don't mix territory.

I'm still not convinced you have mites, it really sounds like springtails.

Can you throw up a picture of them?  I really need to get a macro lens.


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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: openmind] * 1
    #27313820 - 05/18/21 01:23 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

All of that, I'm right on board with OM.  All the buds I have been posting are outdoor buds.  If they're in good sunshine and well fed they can get dangerously potent, complex, and sticky.

I ended up doing intake for a cannabis company in Oregon and developed an eye for reading finished product.  I noticed the same features in outdoor bud that OM does, over thousands of different samples of flower.  Dulling of the color is one part for sure, along with a more complex aroma that bent grassy if the bud wasn't harvested and cured properly.

I've grown in many different setups indoors, but outdoor growing will always be my love.  Something about standing inside the canopy line of a plant much larger than myself while the sun beats down on us is amazing.  The intense growth the small annual plants can put on with just a little coaxing is incredible.

Here's a photo of some sticky Wedding Cake bagseed from outdoor last year.


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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #27313823 - 05/18/21 01:30 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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i pray that they aren't spider mites. i believe they came from outside.

so i have a little compost tub in the backyard. i brought in some to do a compost tea. well i didnt tie the stocking off and i seen mites crawling out of the tea. so i immediately took the tea outside and dumped it on the outside roses.
i think thats where i got them. i only noticed them on the left side of the tent. they was working their way over. i think i seen one in the soil this morning so i soaked it in neem.






This all tracks for springtails so far.  Are they fast moving in the sense you can watch them run around?  If you blow on them do some jump away? (sometimes they jump so fast it seems like some are disappearing)

What color are they?


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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: A.k.a]
    #27313957 - 05/18/21 03:32 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

When I'm getting ready to set clones outside I like to check the daylight hours of the day I'm going to be setting them out.  I try to match my light timer to those hours so the plant doesn't experience time change shock and end up prematurely flowering the revegging. 

Sounds like your environment is a good one to treat the plant with silica.  I treated my desert plants with silica foliar spray and a little bit in the roots, ended up helping them stand up to the desert sun and low humidity.


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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: Icon]
    #27314813 - 05/19/21 09:11 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I agree that treating the plants before positively identifying the predator is a bad idea.  Blanket bombing the plants will harm them, even if it's neem based products.  Head to a reputable cannabis forum (NOT reddit or facebook) and post some pictures of the bastards along with a detailed description of them.

What you have described so far does not fit for root mites and definitely not spider mites (two spot) spider mites live on the plants and not in the soil.

Have the plants shown any signs of stress or damage before you treated them?


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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: Hobbit GDF] * 1
    #27316161 - 05/20/21 10:39 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

From my experience in the trade people who work in dispensaries don't actually know very much about cannabis beyond common industry talking points.  They certainly are not working in a dispensary because they know a lot about cult, if they did they would be making more money in cultivation.  Not hating on your brother, just going off of years of having to educate bud tenders on the very basics, along with dispelling lots of myths.

I have sprouted many disp. bag seeds over the years and exactly none of them have gone hermi on me.  3/4 of what I sprouted turned out to be meh, but that's par for the course when popping beans.  Last year I got an absolutely beautiful plant from one wedding cake disp. bag seed.  She grew out to be sticky, potent, and 9/10 bag appeal.  Out of everything I've grown in the past decade it is one of my most requested.


I've actually gotten far more hermies from seed-banks and breeders.  I sprouted over 50 seeds for shits and giggles this year and the only hermie I got was from a breeder seed.

Many famous strains have come from bag seeds, the entire chem line for example.  So go ahead and pop a bean you found in your bag if you liked the smoke.  You might just find the plant you've always been looking for.  Plus you get to prove a sibling wrong, and few joys in this life are as pure as that.


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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: openmind] * 1
    #27316411 - 05/20/21 02:02 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I may not have read Trex's post correctly if that's what is meant by dispensary seed.  Honestly I'd rather buy them online from trusted sources that due to forum policy I cannot list here.  Either way, I am much kinder to my bag seed plants than I am my regular seeds.  I am guilty of having favorite children :shrug:

A breeder from your area that I really like is MTG seeds.  They bred the best plant I have grown to date, B4.  B4 is a cross of a stabilized blue dream and chem 4.  The most common pheno to pop out is a hybrid that's greasy like chem 4 and strong growing like BD.  The best pheno is a lot less common, a 120+ day super noodle sativa with one foot internode space between ping-pong ball sized buds.  She's very sensitive to nutes and every single branch needs to be supported.  Pain in the ass doesn't begin to describe it.

However, the high from that bud is on a level like nothing I have smoked before.  Extremely anti-anxiety, euphoric, no effect on executive function, like being filled with sunshine.  When the high is over there is no stone, everyone who smoked it just reverted back to stone cold sober.  I had a mother of B4 years ago, but I got real low and depression and alcoholism caused me to be unable to care for it and it died.  I have since permanently quit drinking.

The good news is I got a hold of MTG and I now have some B4 seeds from that original batch.


As for the wedding cake bag seed plant:  I purchased a quarter of wedding cake from a dispensary in the puget sound on my way down to my Pop's place.  The bud itself was nothing special and only partially resembled wedding cake I had previously smoked.  Clearly this was production bud with quantity and speed of drying placed before quality and cure.  We smoked it up fairly quick and were delighted to find a couple of seeds.  One of the seeds I sprouted showed female and we placed that outside in july.  She quickly grew under the desert sun and produced eight ounces or so of sticky bud from a half bag of roots lush soil and alaska fish mix and and rainbow mix bloom.  Just rolled the top of the bag down and plunked her in.  Except for some defoliating it was a completely hands off grow.  These OG genetics respond very well to desert climates.

The bud she produced was much truer to wedding cake than the bud I got the seed from.  Women seem to prefer this to any of the other bud I grew last year, just an oddity I noticed.  I wish I had been in the right circumstances to take a clone, but I was not.  I have found a few seeds in the bud and I will be sprouting them.  No idea where the pollen came from, but there is a CBD farm a couple of miles down the road.  We'll see what pops up!


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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27316417 - 05/20/21 02:03 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Ah, I guess it wasn't clear. I found a couple of random seeds in eighths I bought from dispensaries at different times in the last couple of years. I didn't buy the seeds solo. I feel I got lucky and found a seed in some really good smoke. I also had some random bagseed seeds from a while back and planted some of those. I got 2 plants from each set of seeds. It will be interesting to see the results physically side by side. One of each in the big pot, and the others  have separate pots. 3 of them are bushing at the 3rd stage, but one of them (from the dispensary weed) looks sparse. I topped that one at the second stage. I might top the other one (bagseed) as it's the reg. Top 2, and leave 2 to grow naturally.





Have fun!  You never know what you're going to get with a bag seed, hope you discover a rare gem!


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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
    #27316430 - 05/20/21 02:11 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Since it's probably going to come up at some point:  Yes, those are a bunch of lawn flamingos around my grow in the middle of the desert.  My step mom has a great sense of humor and I came out one morning to find she had placed about 15 around the grow area.  None of them were in the way so I left them to guard the plants, and guard the plants they did!  Turns out the deer want nothing to do with the flamingos and they kept them a good distance from the plants.

Flamingos 1, Mule Deer 0.


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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 2
    #27316591 - 05/20/21 03:32 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Grow them bag seeds and enjoy it.  Who cares if it's not a fancy name brand or being pushed to giant/perfect buds.  As long as you're having fun that's what counts.


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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27317485 - 05/21/21 12:20 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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It has become an obsession with a lot of people to the point where it seems it's not fun.




Autism has entered the game.

  Being mildly autistic is one of the reasons I get obsessed with things.  Honestly losing myself down a hole of learning everything I can about something is incredibly satisfying.  I can see how a neurotypical person wouldn't find it fun though.

  AKA, bubble bags make all grades of hash.  I have a five or seven screen set (can't remember) and when I'm on my game and making great hash it's golden and will full melt on a dab nail.  One can also take a cheater's shortcut.  Put a large pyrex dish down, put dry ice in the bubble bags with dry shake, and shake the bag a bunch.  The dry ice will make the tricomes brittle and cause them to fall off the plants and through the bag.  Just a bunch of pure tricomes in the dish.
 
  Personally I prefer the ice water method.  When I'm done making hash I put all the leftovers and leftover water in a big pot on the stove and heat the water to just below simmer.  Toss in a couple pounds of butter, let it sit in the hot water, then strain it all through some cheese cloth and let the pot cool in the fridge until the butter can be taken off the top of the water.

That way instead of just having bud I end up with bud, hash, and butter.  If you just have a small personal grow for funsies it's a great way to make the material stretch.  Glad I paid attention to my grandparent's depression stories about reusing everything.


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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27317520 - 05/21/21 12:38 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't take it as negative, no worries!  I was just offering an explanation as to why some of us go all super nerd on it.

Even I burn out on it and take a while to get into it again.


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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27317612 - 05/21/21 01:53 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Have difficulty with social situations others navigate with ease?  Find yourself abnormally obsessed with hobbies?  React harshly to loud noises you didn't make?

Autism may be you!

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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: A.k.a]
    #27318783 - 05/22/21 12:54 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Preflowers are what show up at nodes, buds form on the branch tips as they grow.

When plants are put into flower they begin a period of growth known as stretch where they will get 2-3x taller very fast depending on strain.  After that they begin to form buds as bracts build on the branches.


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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #27318976 - 05/22/21 04:46 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Don't bind them.  You want those buds to grow freely from each other.  Binding them could cause them to get damaged as they grow, and you want airflow between buds.  They will not fuse into a larger bud.


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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: A.k.a]
    #27319790 - 05/23/21 10:30 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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If that’s the case they said it’ll reveg and be fine now that the days are longer.





Every plant I've had revege after flowering too early turned out to be absolute garbage, you really want to avoid this at all costs.

Koods, two things going on.  It's a male, so they tend to flower quicker like was said.  Also march is just WAY too early to put out a plant.  I put mine outside June 10th at 45.5 parallel.  Putting plants out too early causes them to flower, then revert back to vege growth as the daylight hours get longer.  Reveged outdoor plants tend to get confused as fuck and will then flower later in the year than they normally would.  This means strains that finish in time for your environment will have a rough go at finishing in time.  June 10 might seem too late, but I put out a 10" plant june 10th last year that ended up two LBS after drying, so with the right soil and care they will get big quick.  When I want smaller plants (8 oz) I jam them in 15-20 gallon pots outside in july.


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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27319836 - 05/23/21 11:28 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Also indoor setup tech has come a very long way in the past decade.  If anyone is interested in making a minimal but effective setup with full odor control I could do a post on that.

Currently running a 2x2x5 Secret Jardin tent, a 4" AC infinity fan (best/quietest I've ever used), a 4" drum carbon filter, and an HLG 135w flowering quantum board LED.  I can pull 8oz out of that floorspace and setup with the right strain if I'm pushing it.  Just a little tent in the corner of the room, scent free.


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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: A.k.a]
    #27320438 - 05/23/21 07:27 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I’m looking at filters now cuz I just flipped two days ago. Any suggestions?




Phresh filter 4" for a closet grow.  Putting a tarp door over the front should do it as long as you seal it okayish and maintain negative pressure in the closet by ALWAYS keeping the fan on.  You want to constantly be changing out the air in your grow space, as well as having a small fan in there for air circulation.

I had a Phresh 4" last me five years.  They're great.


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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27321045 - 05/24/21 10:17 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Dangit hunter, quit copying me!

*eyes pile of rainbow and tiger obsidian on side of house*

Are you a copper nail or antler flaker?

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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #27321123 - 05/24/21 11:51 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Don't know if he went over it with you, but if you want a good adhesive for affixing points look into pine tar.  We can make it on the west coast using fatwood from douglas firs.


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