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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25309843 - 07/05/18 12:55 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

As long as there are some leaves along the horizontal stem. You'll get a new stem/bud growing from where a leaf meets the main stalk.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: El Torcho]
    #25309896 - 07/05/18 01:23 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid:

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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25310113 - 07/05/18 03:10 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Open mind - I didn't see a question in there but I feel your stress about the split. I recently did some heavy heavy LST to most od my girls, two are three months old been vegging the whole time and I waited way too long to start (bc I don't know and no one answered previous questions) so I'm learning hard way too.

You basically repaired it the way I see recommended, I usually see people add honry in the break before splinting and tie wrapping. That's what I did I plan to remove the tie wraps in a week or so I fear they may inhibit growth.

I think I may switch to aloe though







Thanks for your input :wink: .



I had no particular question, I was just hoping someone would chime in with their 2 cents from experience of having a stalk split or knowledge about such in general.

After I made that post mentioning the split I had...I did some searching around other forums and it seems that for most folks that encountered a similar situation of having a stalk or branch split, it healed up for them. Most of the threads and things I read about, most people had a split that was deeper into the tissue and longer along the stalk than mine, and most of them healed up just fine (a few lost a single branch)...

....So I am pretty confident it will heal. From the bit of reading I did, it seems like most folks did the "repair" in a similar fashion that I did...using some wrap just above the node to hold the two tops together so the split is closed up. I also saw a few mentions of using a dab of honey around the split, but I had already wrapped it up at that point.

What makes me the most confident that it is going to heal and no serious damage was done....The tops of the plant (above the split) is still looking healthy today. I figure if there was any serious damage to the vascular tissue, within a few hours after the split happening at least one of the tops (if not both) should have been drooping due to lack of water & nutrients being piped up through the main stalk....but almost 24 hours later and it's still looking dandy & putting on new growth.

Thing is....I am definitely going to have to give these two main tops some serious support once they start flowering and putting on weight, otherwise it will likely split at the node again like a "wishbone".










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She's recovered nicely and all the tops curled up immediately....






My plants recovered rather nicely and quickly too from the 45 degree bend I gave them :yesnod:...

....Right after bending and tying them down, I was looking at them thinking along the lines of "I really hope I didn't hurt them" lol . Because they were looking so goofy and sad being bent over compared to how "glorious" they looked before growing straight up to the sun....but even just a few hours after bending them they were already re-orienting themselves for the most part, and today just about all of the branches are already rising upwards and I can see how the plants are going to be taking on more of a "bushy" structure.







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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: openmind]
    #25310196 - 07/05/18 03:41 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I've split some stalks before. IME if you wrap or tie them up quick enough, the plants can heal sometimes to the point where you can hardly tell where the split was. If you have no wilting above the injury you are probably fine. Just keep an eye on it. Like you said, when it starts getting heavy, stake it up. Silica is a very good thing to help with stem strength too.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: hummingbird]
    #25310231 - 07/05/18 04:07 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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El Torcho said:
As long as there are some leaves along the horizontal stem. You'll get a new stem/bud growing from where a leaf meets the main stalk.




Yeah there's leaves galore on the horizontal run. Right on. All of a sudden I noticed I've seen no pics of plants like mine flowering, I didn't know if the auxins would tell it to only form buds on vertical runs or something. Lol that would have ruined my day. Three months of growth swung over 90deg lol


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer] * 2
    #25310272 - 07/05/18 04:32 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

BTW, just a random mention to the thread and no one specifically...




When I was transplanting my plants from their 1-gallon pots into the 20gal fabric pots a few days ago...

...that's when it really "set in" that I am finally growing me some herb :awesome: .




I absolutely adore this plant well beyond "just getting high". It holds a special place in my heart for sure and I have been waiting for and looking forward to this day for years! So I'm pretty stoked to finally have some herb growing in my garden, soaking up that sunshine. It all set in while I was potting them the other day and it put a big ol' smile on my soul :grin: .



I've been smoking small amounts of herb pretty much daily for years now, and I do live in nor-cal where I could have got my card and had small grow going a long time ago...but long story short I was never able to (mostly didn't have the yard outside or room inside to grow)....

...now that I have a piece of earth to work with and now that it's "fully" legal in my state, it's happening :happyweed: .







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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: openmind]
    #25310868 - 07/05/18 11:22 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Openmind, it’s such a good feeling isn’t it? I have 52 100-300 gallon smart pots filled and a light dep greenhouse with 75 in it. I’m super excited to smoke the greenhouse stuff here in a couple weeks.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: ItsAxe419]
    #25310927 - 07/06/18 12:36 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Damn youre Gonna breathing quality cannabis filtered air lol. I just planted some seeds in salty beach quartz sand with a little potting soil. I’m not sure if they’ll germinate and if they do it’ll be interesting to see how it’ll grow.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mmcc]
    #25310951 - 07/06/18 01:14 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

You didnt rinse/cook the salt away first? Might be problematic later bro :whistling:


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #25310957 - 07/06/18 01:21 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

It might still work, I used to live in the Caribbean (Martinique) and there was this beach where you could buy weed pretty much 24/7, there would always be at least a couple guys. The weed there is heavily seeded, so people would throw the seeds in the sand when rolling their spliffs, and there were small seedlings popping up all over the place. Never saw one bigger than like 15cm though.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #25311237 - 07/06/18 08:07 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

That’s why I’m doing this to see if anything will grow. there’s some ice lettuce spouting but no weed yet lol it’s only been a day.
MG that sounds great. I’ve thought about going around and planting seeds randomly lol pioneer public grows


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mmcc]
    #25311307 - 07/06/18 08:46 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

300 gallon smart pots? Holy Mackel, that's like a kiddie pool. How big do your plants get in that thing. I want to see a pic

I transffered my 3 gallon Gelato's into 5 gallon's yesterday and it was a good thing because the pots were filled with roots. I filled the bottom and sides with the soil I made a couple weeks back. It's still probably too "hot" but we'll see what happens. They were looking sad right afterwards, but this morning they perked back up.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mmcc] * 1
    #25311316 - 07/06/18 08:55 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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That’s why I’m doing this to see if anything will grow. there’s some ice lettuce spouting but no weed yet lol it’s only been a day.
MG that sounds great. I’ve thought about going around and planting seeds randomly lol pioneer public grows



There's a collective who does that here, they plant hemp seeds in public planters all over the city, if you got a good eye you can spot them before the city removes them.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25311478 - 07/06/18 10:46 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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That’s why I’m doing this to see if anything will grow. there’s some ice lettuce spouting but no weed yet lol it’s only been a day.
MG that sounds great. I’ve thought about going around and planting seeds randomly lol pioneer public grows



There's a collective who does that here, they plant hemp seeds in public planters all over the city, if you got a good eye you can spot them before the city removes them.




That's freaking Awesome!!! :awesomenod:


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: MeanGreen] * 1
    #25311490 - 07/06/18 10:54 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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That’s why I’m doing this to see if anything will grow. there’s some ice lettuce spouting but no weed yet lol it’s only been a day.
MG that sounds great. I’ve thought about going around and planting seeds randomly lol pioneer public grows



There's a collective who does that here, they plant hemp seeds in public planters all over the city, if you got a good eye you can spot them before the city removes them.




I've dreamed of doing this for years. Imagine how many organized people are doing this across the globe. Not just randoms planting mid seed at their local courthouse flower beds.

I love it :thumbup::thumbup:


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25314311 - 07/08/18 12:59 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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You're avoiding a real light discussion by throwing insults and it's very easy to see merch. You edited your previous argument and I did as well go check it. The words you're grasping for and not finding are PAR and micro mole per square foot and referencing the light charts whose name escapes me atm

Transparent even for a first time grower like me to notice. Go home poser.





I have 8 leds you probably have none I've been growing with them for atleast 8 years with nothing but them and have read all the sales pitches and light charts and unlike you I have those lights that were sold to me with those charts running in my grow room right now. I've sold atleast three leds all my lower than 3 watt models and should have more.

And I have experience with those lights to make proper judgement instead of throwing aroudn trash marketting that will form people like you that really have no idea what they are talking about.

I provided very good information on choosing leds and how they are built you provided nothing but amybe they are this maybe they are that I cant remember right now I seen some charts never ran lgihts but this is what I read.

No I'm speaking the truth and you have no idea what you are talking about whatsoever.

The lights that flex par/lumens etc are the lights have are amped up in more power producing more light, if you seen those charts and bought the lights and understood what was going on with them you'd agree with my post insteda of saying I have no idea what i even read a year or two ago but im going to argue with someone who can tell me almost everything about them inside and out.


A 3 watt led with 900 watts total running at 300 watts actual power (almost one watt per bulb)

Will outperform a 5 watt bulbed 1000 watt light running at 70 watts.

Once the 5 watt bulbs are amped up to 300+ watts they almost double the yield and performance of the 3 watt bulbs.

Most of mars hydro are 3 watt bulbs if I remember right thus none of my lgihts are mars hydro again showing bad judgement by brands instead of knowing what you are talking about. They were either 3 watt or overpriced while being small lights.

On top of finding out what makes a light good I looked into building them and it further clarified what was going on with the leds. The manufacture gets to choose how much power they run each bulb at.


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[quote]sublimistri said:
id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote]

[quote]sublimistri said:
this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]


Edited by merch137 (07/08/18 01:09 AM)


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25314314 - 07/08/18 01:07 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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In that pic is it a 4x4 tent with a mars 300 hydro (white) and another 300 watt LED?

16 square feet with 270 real watts (17watta per square foot)

Is that about right?
Is this what you recommend and advise for flower?
May be 5x5 and two 600w units?

Edit - you edited your previous post, I'll edit this one, I don't pretend to know how to build my own yet but there's plenty of deadmau5 videos amd drbn32 at ilgm constantly advises people on what to buy to build the best LED light you can for the money, you have strong words for someone who says one thing about badass LEDs and flowers with shit Mars Hydro :shrug:





No youre so far off youre just straight up insulting me without saying names, as I've already spoken on mars hydro. It's safe to insult you back and say youre completely :flowstone: as your judgement is so damn bad you shouldnt have even spoken and you shouldnt speak again.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25309460

I'm the one that will get people growing properly with leds with my advice for surely not you.

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custom made form someone I have on skype in china, they were 1000 watt dual 5 watt (10 watt) chips to compare to those normal 5 watters that are also 1000 watt total. The lights were about half the size of those larger lights and pulled the same if not more power.




I'll take custom made from china over the majority of trash america is advertising anyday. I got to choose size (1000 watts in a tiny light case and pulls 300+ acutal watts like the lights twice its size that make their 250-400 watt equivalent hps look like shit with almost no heat in comparison).

The only reason to pay more for an american light is if you want cree leds, if they are even using cree leds, and even then they have to use them properly or theyll be crap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cree_Inc.
And I wouldnt really bother paying much more, the two brands china and europe will use epilux and bridgelux I believe these are more than adequate and compare just fine, my epilux are better than my cree light because the cree is just an amped up 3 watt while my epilux are amped up 5 and supposed to be 6 watts.

I've been using a light with crees since 2011
http://www.lighthousehydro.com/led-grow-lights/blackstar-240-watt-led-grow-light-ho-522.html

It gets outperformed by my chinese lights that are bigger bulbed (5w while america mostly sells 3w) as well as amped up in the same way he used to advertise his crees.

This light will be about 3x less yield if not more than the 1000 watt 5 watt bulbed lights ran properly (this will give you 1 and a half inch buds max in diameter while the single 1000 watt 5 watt lgiht can get around 3.5-4 inches in diameter and larger). On top of that you can buy 4 of the other ones for the price of one of these american lights. Making it mean if you buy 4 of these lights to equal the price of one of those blackstars, you've already bought basically 12 of those american lights in effectiveneess/yield for 1/4th the price. Also even if you bought 12 of the lower performance lights they will not stack as well in performance compared to buffing up the actual power draw/watt per bulb.

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Edit - you edited your previous post, I'll edit this one, I don't pretend to know how to build my own yet but there's plenty of deadmau5 videos amd drbn32 at ilgm constantly advises people on what to buy to build the best LED light you can for the money, you have strong words for someone who says one thing about badass LEDs and flowers with shit Mars Hydro :shrug:




You are clearly the one that deserved to be banned. I've seen people building them not knowing what they are talking about as if they havent used them all in growing, some reccomending cobs, some not really knoowing whats best for the choice of bulbs in terms of growing as if they didnt have full experience with them yet. So to take someones unsure advice when you are certain is foolishness. These are people better off wiring a bulb for home use to light your kitchen thats the area of study they are useful for not their knowledge of plant growth their knowledge of electricity. That way someone like me (many lights wanting to mod them for plant growth after knowing the right path for plant growth messing with enough leds for so long) leeches just enough of their electrical knowledge and then makes good lights with it while hes doing some inferior shit for plant growth with his main study on electricity not plants.


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[quote]sublimistri said:
id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote]

[quote]sublimistri said:
this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]


Edited by merch137 (07/08/18 01:46 AM)


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: El Torcho]
    #25314341 - 07/08/18 01:56 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Merch got bad results with water logged soil, so now you grow in pure water?

Sounds logical.

Water is not your problem. It's lack of air. All your problems with soil could have been easily solved with a $3 smart pot. You don't need a 60% mix of perlite. You spouting off how bad soil is just proves your fundamental lack of growing knowledge. Again, nature is smarter than you. You can't do it better, even with your pH pen and bottle of chemical nutes.

Show us another leaf please. Your bud looks like shit.





This guy is the one that really deserved ban as well if anyone wants to believe this trash over ten years of experimenting with all kinds methods as well as extensively with leds that makes these guys clearly out of their realm of knowledge still acting like they know better when they do not know anything on the topic. Plus net pots just arent the solution as well when using nursery pots or bags for mass planting, it doesnt even sound as good and wouldnt give the same results thats clear as day just reading the difference.

How would I know soil that holds a lot of water works if I didnt try  it twelve years ago and then extended upon trying it into different forms of trying ti into other methods, into even more methods, and finding the best methods? You've got to try things like full coco (water retention) vs mostly perlite and then see what the roots look like how fast the roots took over the medium, which relates to how fast the plant above ground will progress as well. Just talking to you, you have done none of this and probably have rarely if never trimmed roots in different mediums either.

Look at your plants in the corner of your house. You will either need a lot more experimenting to do with that shitty soil or you can stay getting really really inferior results that would never be considered when put beside mine. The best excuse is you cant afford to take care of those plants which has been my problem with the plants you point out (youre talking about mass planting and dug up soil). However you're standing so strongly by youre original arguements you cant play this card.


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[quote]sublimistri said:
id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote]

[quote]sublimistri said:
this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]


Edited by merch137 (07/08/18 02:10 AM)


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
    #25314342 - 07/08/18 01:57 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Let's just get along and have a civil discussion please? :shrug:

I'm sorry if I've offended you before Merch.

Now somebody show me some Reefer!!!! :rasta:

Edit : Put all your posts into one homie!


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: BattyKoda] * 2
    #25314350 - 07/08/18 02:15 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

The organics vs hydro battle has been going on for years. It will never stop. But i do agree, perhaps we can accept the differences of each other, respect each others individual right to grow weed the way we feel best suites our needs and prefrences, and (most importantly) always remain teachable... for the most dangerous position a man can be is when he is stuck standing still, too arrogant to look into the eyes of the night and humbly request fragments of her scintillent secrets and wisdom. It is an absolute waste to declare that the destination has forever been reached. All people are our teachers and we must respect each other :heart:

And this is about growing weed. If heart isnt tbe sole backbone of the discussion, its the wrong place to be discussing such a thing. Let us recognize the GOOD in each others work. Please...
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