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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: KannaKris]
    #25326300 - 07/14/18 04:27 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Mine all have pre-flowers too, once they matured. I reckon, I meant, once they really start showing signs of early flowering, after the light change, my bad:cool:





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Outdoor plants stretch bigger and stack better. The natural transition into flower is much better for plants than a 12/12 flip.




I totally agree with this statement.







Oh boy!...I think they're going to get a bit bigger than I assumed they would lol. My plants aren't all that big at the moment (the biggest, my cherry cookies, is prob around 24 inches tall from the base of the stalk and almost equally as bushy). But they're really putting on the new growth each day.


I've seen weed growing before..I've seen friends/acquaintances grows...but I've never seen a plant through out the entire growth cycle so I have no reference point for how much growth they can put on within a certain amount of time.




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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: hummingbird]
    #25330783 - 07/16/18 11:53 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

A question for anyone that's gone about the "organic" route or knows the gist of these things....

....Just wondering how often I should be giving the plants/soil some tea and/or foliar feeding.

I can imagine the answer for that varies a lot depending on all sorts of variables, I'm just trying to get a reference point for how often & how heavily some folks do so.




My plants are outdoors in 20 gallon fabric pots with roots original soil (perlite, coco fiber, peat, composted, pumice, worm castings, bat Guano, soybean meal, alfalfa meal, fish bone meal, kelp meal, and greensand).

They're all cuttings that have been rooted for at least 2 months as far as I know (I've had them for a month, dude said he was growing them for a month). They've been in 20 gallon pots for two weeks as of tomorrow (coming out of a 1-gallon slightly bound)....Over the two weeks I have given them tea twice, an aloe foliar spray twice, and they've been watered with just water twice as well (I'm way surprised how well this soil retains moisture for how hot & dry it is, and it's not really compact either)

The tea I am using is made with "Dr. Earth" 5-5-2 @ 1-cup per gallon of water (feather meal, fish bone meal, kelp meal, alfalfa meal, potassium sulfate, seaweed extract, and a variety of mycorrhizae), + 1/2 a cup of worm casting, + 1.5 table-spoons of molasses per gallon of water.

The aloe foliar I did with fresh aloe blended up @ 1/4 cup per gallon of water...gave the plants a thorough soaking spray then poured a little bit of the left overs into the soil.

I'm more or less intending on following this pattern as long as they continue to look as healthy as they do...I'm just wondering if I can/should increase the concentration & frequency of giving them tea? Or maybe change up the contents of the tea a bit?...




For the most part they're looking healthy to my eyes (still can't take pics, I know that would help lol), growing quickly and with lush new growth, they're around 16 to 26 inches tall and trained out a bit. Starting right before I transplanted them into the larger pots, occasionally a random leaf or two on the lower portion will yellow and eventually dry out & drop, and a few leaves around the lower 1/3rd of the plant have a slightly pale/blotchy yellow color to them (just a few)...It looks like it's an N deficiency from the bit of learning I've done but it's only on one random leaf at a time.

Other leaves around this portion of the plants are still looking healthy and there is new healthy growth around the leaves that yellow & drop off and the few dingy/pale leaves....Besides that the rest of the plant(s) look healthy to my eyes .


So do plants just drop an older leaf occasionally?...or is this definitely a sign the plants are just not getting quite enough N (or some other nutrient), as there are a few leaves towards the bottom of the plant that are always slightly blotchy & yellow/pale. I thought if it was a deficiency it would spread up through the plant? Or is it possible that they just barely have enough N to grow well, but not enough to keep the lower part of the plant 100% lush?...

Part of me wants to "fix" this lol...but other than that they're growing pretty quickly and the entire upper 2/3rd of the plants are totally lush & healthy looking so the other part of me says to let em' do their thing and keep feeding & spraying them like I have :shrug: . (Again, this if my very first time growing the plant lol)






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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #25352706 - 07/28/18 05:28 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Nice :cool:



That gelato has some really fat leaves.


How did you Sour D go into flowering? Was it placed outside kinda early in the season?





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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: MoonFarmer]
    #25353097 - 07/28/18 09:51 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

My plants continue to have a few of their fan leaves around the lower portion of the plant turn yellow and dry out and drop....

....but they're still looking good and growing lush & healthy other than that :shrug: .



To my newb eyes, it looks like a N deficiency but the plants look healthy and are still growing just fine...Is it possible for a plant to have a nitrogen deficiency but still continue put on new healthy & lush new growth?



I notice it's only the old fan leaves...And on my Cherry Cookies, the leaves that yellow and drop, some of them are only single finger leaves and three finger leaves and they're much more massive then the rest of the leaves on the plant. I heard that a plant will throw out single leaves like that when it starts to go into flowering but has gone back into veg quickly after, or something along the lines of that (that plant already had the single finger leaves when I got it)...Since my plants are clones that were taken what I'm estimating is three months ago, is it possible that those leaves are dropping just because they're the older/original leaves that were on that cutting and they're just dropping because of old age?




Flowering is coming up soon and I want my plants to go into it as healthy as possible...Just wondering what might be going on here?...I know pics would help but I still have no way to take or upload pics.

If I need to give the plants an increase of nitrogen and quickly...Since I'm working with organic soil and fertilizer...is there anyway to actually provide the plants with a "shot" of available/water soluble nitrogen that is "organic"? As in, not salt based N...Or is non-water soluble N the only way with "organics"? Just wondering how one fixes a potential N deficiency when growing this way since the delivery of N is slow and over time.






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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #25353141 - 07/28/18 10:49 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I've done that only once so far...The last time I made some tea (this past Tuesday) I peed a little bit into the bucket of tea (fish meal, bone meal, kelp meal, alfalfa meal, seaweed extract, worm castings, and a little molasses)...I peed into it after it was done brewing and right before I poured it into the soil.

It was almost 5 gallons of tea and I didn't pee all that much so it was rather diluted.





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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
    #25354156 - 07/29/18 02:18 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Fish emulsion is good for a quick nitrogen shot.






Good to know! :wink:





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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Howefarmsmedicals]
    #25364504 - 08/03/18 02:10 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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A lot of run out clones only throw low number finger counts. As plants veg they'll run up in finger count until they sex, then some might run a few more out but most stay at that count until preflowering gets more serious then they start losing finger counts til just a few blades as flowering becomes the major plant function, they continue that until light change(with photos) or pollination then, they swell at that point, then the last of it is oil production and trich maturation.. So clone from clone (probably,.. not bad if always healthy), then health and nutrition, environment and photo period, that's most of what contributed to finger count.. Cheers








What is a "run out clone"..?...


I was wondering what causes single finger & three finger leaves.....


I have 4 clones and two of them had a few single finger and three finger leaves going on when I got them earlier this summer....The single finger and thee finger leaves are all WAY WAY bigger than the rest of the leaves on the plant(s), they look like beasts compared to the rest of the leaves on the plant and they're also the only leaves that have been turning yellow and dropping. (I wasn't sure if it's because of an N deficiency or if they're yellowing/dropping just because they're old leaves?...I'm still not sure?...).


Besides those few single and three finger leaves...the rest of the plant(s) have lots of 5 to 6 fingers and a few with 8, all new growth has 5 to 8 fingers.







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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Howefarmsmedicals]
    #25364722 - 08/03/18 03:47 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Sorry the yellowing is probably just old leaves, starting at the bottom, and just the big fans?. If you don't thin those, they naturally consume those themselves :smile: lunch.. Cheers






Yea it is only the big old fan leaves (which are mostly 1 to 3 fingers) on the lower 1/2 of the plant(s) that are yellowing & dropping.


The rest of the plant is looking fine, totally lush & green and putting on new growth...but there is almost always a random leaf or two (always old fan leaves) on the lower portion of the plant that will yellow and drop.


This is my first time growing this plant so I've been wondering what the issue was...Figured it was either N deficiency or the leaves were dropping just because they're old, but since this is my first grow I wasn't sure how to visually differentiate between the two.



Thanks for the simple clarification on that!...Good to know!...


Since I thought it might have been an N deficiency issue, and since flowering is coming up soon I wanted them to be as healthy as possible.....So yesterday I gave them a batch of tea relatively high in N, or at least it's the most N I've given them so far this season. Since the issue probably wasn't an N deficiency, I hope the tea I gave them yesterday doesn't end up pushing them over the line into N burn.







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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Howefarmsmedicals]
    #25370374 - 08/06/18 02:55 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

My plants appear to be transitioning into their "stretch" and the very beginning of flowering :awesome: .




This being my first grow, seeing the plants go through their different phases of growth day by day is a totally new thing to my eyes (I'm familiar with what the plants do, but seeing it with my own eyes is cool). Since the 1st of this month, pretty quickly basically over night I've noticed quite a pronounced increase in growth. It's like they're "reaching for the sky", and there is a lot going on at the nodes.


I know I've said it before...but I'll eventually find a way to get some pics of them posted.






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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
    #25383772 - 08/12/18 02:42 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Fish emulsion is good for a quick nitrogen shot.






Going the "organic" route....Do you know of something that can deliver a relatively quick "shot" of phosphorus and potassium?

Or is P & K more readily available to the roots/plant in general compared to N from organic sources?


Just wondering about what route to take as far as giving the soil/plants a boost of P & K since they're starting to form buds...My Slymer already has trichomes developing.



I was thinking about doing a top dress with some bone meal and/or high P guano...

...as well as using Dr. Earth 3-9-4 (Fish Bone Meal, Feather Meal, Potassium Sulfate, Alfalfa Meal, Kelp Meal, Seaweed Extract, micronized humic acids) as a top dress, and in a tea once a week.










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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #25390239 - 08/15/18 01:42 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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My auto's on 7/28


Same auto's taken 2 days ago


They grow up so fast






:thumbup:


Those things are putting on growth quickly.

I think I'm going to grow some auto's next time around. Just a few. Most of my plants will still be photo's but it'd be nice to have some erb to harvest a bit earlier in the year...or just squeezing in more "harvests" in a grow season in general.







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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
    #25403758 - 08/21/18 07:08 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

A ramble/update about my plants....

My Slymer is getting frosty and smells amazing already. It started to develop trichomes almost the instant it switched into stretch/flowering. Smells like a creamy lime & cherry sorbet with a skunky/earthy thing going on underneath :drooling: .

My South Fork Kush has some buds forming, it just started to develop some trichomes as of the past day or two. Smell isn't too strong yet and is still a generic earthy-weed aroma.

My Tangieland and Cherry Cookies are both a bit behind the other two as far as how quickly they're forming distinct buds...They have pistils at the bud sites but still no distinct buds like the other two strains.

It's interesting to notice....all four of my plants seemed to switch phases into stretch/flower basically overnight right at the beginning of this month, around the 1st to the 3rd of this month I noticed all of them changing their growth and had more "going on" at the nodes. There was a rapid change among all of them around the 1st....But the Slymer was the quickest to jump right into flowering and basically right away started to form buds & trichomes, the SFK is shortly behind it, and the Tangieland and the Cherry cookies are a bit behind them both but on par with each other.


I'm building a simple hoop structure over my plants. To help block out light coming from the sides from my neighbors lights, and so I have a basic shelter over them in the event some early season rains come through in Sept or early Oct. (I'll have the structure in place, but I'll only have tarps over it if it rains)





I live with my pops at the moment and when I left the other day to run some errands..while I was gone, he said he randomly looked out back and saw two dudes in the backyard, they took off running and hopped the fence as soon as they saw my dad coming outside. Sooo yeeaahhh :mad2: ...I'm not too concerned about it but def something that's got me a bit agitated and pissed, mostly just the fact people were on our property/trespassing, that feeling of being "violated" or "invaded". I don't know if they were back there specifically trying to get the plants (the plants are kinda hard to see through the fence unless you're specifically looking for that and look hard), or if they're just some hoodlum/tweaker trash going through people's backyards looking for anything they can take (it's happened before when I didn't have plants).

I don't think anyone could manage to take the whole plants, at least not in a sneaky way..They're in 25 gallon fabric pots so they'd be kinda difficult to just "walk off" with them down the street, not to mention they'd have to lift them over a fence. But when it gets close to harvest time, sure someone could hop the fence and chop the tops/colas and then dip out real quick....So I'm thinking about placing a motion-sensor light along our back fence...and maybe even sleeping in a tent in my backyard for the last couple weeks when it's close to harvest time :lol:, or just leaving a tent back there with some light inside and maybe a small radio inside it playing quietly as a "decoy" lol .


...but boy did that get me agitated when I heard about that. I live in a relatively shitty neighborhood so I figured there'd be some hoodlums trying to scope out plants to swoop around this time of the year...Not all that surprised, but still. There are lots of other folks growing herb in this neighborhood too, I smell it on almost every block of this part of town.




....and to wrap up this ramble....I'm really looking forward to the weather around my area for the next week+, and no doubt the plants are going to love it too!!! Since the beginning of July temps around my area have consistently been right around 100 every day (as high as 106), but for this next week or longer temps look to be around 86 to 90 at most and down to around 60 at night....Perfect :cool: :bliss: .








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All you outdoor growers make sure you get your plants staked and trellised if you haven't already, branch snappin season is upon us.






I was just thinking about this the other day...at least in regards to my Cherry Cookie plant specifically since earlier this season it split along the main stalk. The main stalk forks into two tops pretty far down the plant (so there's a lot of weight above it, relatively) and there was a split right down the middle of the node where it forks into two (like a wishbone).

I wrapped it together with some "stretchy plant wrap" and it healed up well and I still have the wrap around where the main stalk forks, so the weight of the tops won't pull apart that node/split again.



And Ran-D....I recall earlier this summer you mentioning you do a foliar spray with aloe from time to time (?). I've been doing so myself about once to twice a week since around late June. How far into flowering is it OK to do a foliar spray with aloe? If I understand correctly, the main reasons it's not suggested to do any foliar spray at all during flowering is because of the chance of developing bud rot/fungus from moisture lingering around the buds, and because some things like certain pesticides or oils can really fuck up the trichomes and the over all taste/quality of the bud....?....

I figure an aloe spray early in the morning doesn't pose much risk for bud rot since it is still so warm & dry through the day, and I don't think a mild aloe solution will funk up trichomes?...

What about spinosad?

My plants are a bit dusty (and probably ashy to from all the smoke in the air)...before they're deeper into flowering I want to give them one more foliar/wash down with aloe early in the morning, then one final spray of spinosad at sundown. Do you think this is still OK to do?









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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: pur3bind] * 2
    #25418015 - 08/27/18 09:32 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Finally...


...got some pics of the plants.





From left to right...Tangieland, South Fork Kush, Frosted Cherry Cookies, Slymer







Tangieland (Tangie X Candyland)









South Fork Kush (SFV Kush X Chemdawg)









Frosted Cherry Cookies  (Cherry Cookies X The White)







Slymer (Trainwreck x Jack The Ripper x Trinity)










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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: MoonFarmer]
    #25419547 - 08/28/18 03:42 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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....Don't underestimate a thief, especially a tweaker-thief. They will watch you and wait for you to leave and they will get your shit. They have nothing better to do. I have had so much weed stolen from me I'm getting pissed just typing this.

Back to the plants... :lol:

Foliar feeding is still ok this early in flower, especially with how warm and dry it still is around here.

What kind of pest is the spinosad for?






Don't wanna go off into talk about thieves....but just to reply to this...Yea I actually had a feeling it may have been someone in the neighborhood (both my next door neighbors are chill)....I don't know though....

...part of me almost feels like my dad was delusional or was just making up a story. He was drinking that day and had a stroke a while back so he didn't seem "100%" that day. He's totally not one to make up stories or lie about things tho, so :shrug: .

I've got a very realistic "scare crow", or I suppose I should call it a "scare thief" lol, posted up sitting in a chair near the plants. It looks enough like a real person that when I walk into the backyard it still spooks me 1/2 the time lol, I keep forgetting it's there .


As for the spinosad......It's for what I'm pretty sure are thrips....I don't have a total infestation, but I've spotted them on my cherry cookies and SFK, along with some minor "damage"/markings from them eating leaves along the lower portion of the plant. To my eyes it didn't seem like anything bad.







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Looking good. :asianofapproval:




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Nice plants!

Frosted Cherry Cookies sounds dank af :homerdrool:






Thanks dudes...


Yea the Frosted Cherry Cookies is the one I'm looking forward to the most! It's from Relentless genetics, (GSC x Fire OG) X The White ....Said to have a sweet hashy/earthy, doughy, cherry fuel like funk.







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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: pur3bind]
    #25442755 - 09/07/18 02:24 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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What's your peoples opinion on "You should pick off the crystallized buds right when they start to crystallize- each at individual seperate times it's meant to, rather than picking the whole stocks out and letting them dry"







I kinda get what he's trying to get at as far as harvesting individual buds/colas at different times, rather than the entire plant at once....

...but following the advice of, "You should pick the buds right when they start to crystallize" doesn't really make sense.

Some strains will get "crystallized" buds rather quickly. Some of my plants started to get "crystallized" within a few days after they started to form buds, and now they're pretty damn frosted but they are certainly not ready to be picked....Buds that have trichomes on them does not mean they're ready to harvest, there's usually still a long way to go after the buds have started to produce trichomes.

Keeping an eye on the ratio of clear/milky/amber trichomes and the color of pistils is a reference for knowing when to harvest.










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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #25443586 - 09/07/18 08:23 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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....I can smell my Gelatos from across the yard. The Afghan Mass has a good smell, but still not really strong.







That's how it's getting around my yard & plants now too.

My Slymer and South Fork Kush have been pretty aromatic for a while if up near the plants, and if I barely touch a bud it's a loud burst of smell, but they haven't started to stank up the yard until this past week (the heat is likely playing in role in that too)....Over the past few days now, when ever I open the backdoor I pretty much instantly smell them and I constantly get whiffs of em' around the yard.



The essence of my Slymer is a very strong creamy-lime smell, a lime-citrus sherbet kinda thing.

The South Fork has a sharp/clean lemon-fuel thing going on, lemony & skunky & gassy.

The Tangieland just started to get some aroma over this past week...The first smells I noticed when it first started to get some going on were peppery (like black pepper), and it still has a bit of that peppery smell at first/up front but it's starting to take on more of a sweet-berry-citrus-woodsy character.

My Frosted Cherry Cookies is the farthest behind....It still doesn't really have too much of a distinct/pronounced aroma, I expect that to change within the next 48 hours lol.





Frosted Cherry Cookies




Tangieland






South Fork Kush








Slymer















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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
    #25478099 - 09/21/18 02:14 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Dang...Look at em' go!

Those are like the epitome of Sativa lol.














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:thumbup:

I'm digging the fall colors....I'm hoping at least one of my plants gets some colors going on as they get deeper into flowering.

Those buds look similar in structure to my South Fork Kush buds.









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If transplanting slows down or effects the growth of your plants negatively you are doing it wrong, just sayin...





When I transplanted from 1 gallon plastic pots into 20 gallon fabric pots earlier this summer, yea my plants weren't really impacted by the transplant at all....

...I didn't notice their growth slowing down or a change in their vigor, and they really "took off" after just a couple days of being in their bigger pots.







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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: openmind] * 2
    #25478425 - 09/21/18 04:25 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Some pics from a few days ago...


South Fork Kush












Slymer














The Tangieland and Slymer both got a bit of caterpillar/worm damage...I first spotted a small dead & dry portion on one of the small lower buds on my Tangieland. I plucked out the dead portion of the bud and found a teeny tiny cat/worm buried way in there. I scoped out the rest of the plant and didn't see any other spots....Then a few days later I noticed another spot on the lower portion of one of the colas, cutting out the dead portion of the bud I found there was a bit more damage than what I first saw...I ended up plucking out 4 more caterpillars from the TL and cut out a portion of the cola from where they were eating/shitting.

I also spotted two dead/dry spots right in the top/middle of my Slymer, basically right in the heart of my two most prime colas...Bastards...I cut out the dead portion of the bud, found one caterpillar in the bud on the Slymer.


Lesson learned....Next year I'll be on the BT much earlier in flowering. I ended up giving all my plants a spray with BT after I went through them and checking for caterpillas & damage...It looks like they're mostly interested in the Tangieland and Slymer, my Cherry Cookies and SFK have no signs of damage and I didn't find any on them.

Caterpillar damage on the TL



on the Slymer....








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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #25483245 - 09/23/18 02:51 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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El Torcho said:
Spinosad works wonders. Better than bt imo. Spray it early. It seems to colonize a plant (I know it's supposed to be dead) and protects for quite some time. I dont like the tatse of bud sprayed directly with spinosad. Even early in flowering.






I've heard that BT is more effective than spinosad when it comes to cats & worms specifically...(?)...but that switching between the two with a regimen of sorts is ideal.

I did give my plants a spray with spinosad a few times during late veg and early flower, at the time I was doing so for thrips.

Both spinosad and BT don't even really have all that much smell to me, and they break down in the sunlight within a few days....Do they really funk up the taste of herb that much even if they were sprayed weeks before harvest?








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This is retarded imo, you spray toxic substance on the bud you then smoke :crazy2:






Do you even know what spinosad and BT are?....Neither of them are toxic. I'm pretty sure a human can take a drink of the stuff and not be harmed at all. And they both break down in sunlight, so after a few days they're not even on the plant.








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Northern Lights Auto - About 8 weeks old and getting massive. The stem is like a trunk the size of a 50 cent piece or bigger.








Looking good....Didn't you grow another auto-flower earlier this season too?...Or was that some other photo-plant that you harvested a little while back?







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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Just_A_Noob]
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Starting to really do some stuff!  I'm just trying to keep it dry and air moving.







They're looking good to my eyes but they seem like they're still kinda in the early stages of flowering...?....Unless it's mostly a sativa, which it doesn't look like it, I'd expect most outdoor plants to be deeper into flowering and almost ready for harvest by this time of the season....To me it looks like those still have a while to go before they're ready, 3 or 4 weeks at least.

....but I am new to growing, so :shrug: . It does look they still have a ways to go though.





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