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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: ItsAxe419]
#25308841 - 07/04/18 08:22 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont like removing anything because if light is getting there it will grow nicely. In general I try to leave on surface area.
However I did lollipop a dinafem white widow auto and it was a gigantic cola. It is something I'll be trying again especially in my compact setup its kind of the plan.
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Bubbling wont kill the plant it provides oxygen for the roots, I've bought a really large pump for my system, that when i first got it was so strong where it was pumping air formed a large fountain like area of bubbles inside the res pushing upwards, allw ater moving around somewhat voilently due to it. The thing has gotten fucked up by flooding since. More air to the water the better, and it will never get stale like a fishtank without air going to it where it gets nasty shit forming on top. that saturation is bad, should signify no oxygen.
 As long as there is nutes in the water and its changed every so often, and the ph is close enough to right, the only thing to make sure is that you dont stick the plant too far into the water just hang the roots into the water, as I've had large mothers I've carelessly trimmed the bottom sections off of and shoved them into flowering containers and rotted out their wounds...
As far as using coco in a netpot it holds water, my first try without the foams was with perlite and it works but went through the netpot and the plants werent held up that well with it once larger. You could go as far as using small little rocks you find on the ground the only thing that is important about this substrate is that your plant will not fall over, the water is 100% everything, its the soil, it holds nutes long term, and this is what I believe is how this part works where a soil can saturate holding water that eventually deprives of oxygen then needs more water into waterlogged soil and its a problem, an airpump provides the oxygen to the hydroponic systems not new waterings.
However you have the plants above the water does not matter at all it could literally be a floating tray like styrofoam with holes that the plants leaves prevent the plant from falling through the hole Ive used this a few times and still am outdoors on lettuce and cabbage atm. Or if you could magically levitate them above the water they dont need anything. A plant inside of a netpot will lean over, rocks inside of this prevents them from leaning. A netpot can float on a styrofoam raft just fine its just more work putting one in a thicker piece of styrofoam than drilling a small hole.
When I first started I used fox farms inside of high phed water and it was ok, but not optimal. Clean the roots well and it will take a few days for it to form its water roots.
I clone in coco then goto hydro, switching the types of roots the plant has. Only because I can micro propogate and mass root atm only with coco and my success rates with coco rooting can be up to 100% and my hydro attempts at rooting have been massive failures. I've taken many larger plants from coco to hydro no problem as well. The only ones that died had wounds submerged or roots that werent touching water.
I want to try aquaponics by putting a plant in a shallow marshy area in lake champlain on a painted styrofoam raft.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
#25308898 - 07/04/18 09:04 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I hear that bro. Coco is all i ever clone w. Adding a small amount of mycorrhizae powder to it has really uped my game in regard to healthier white roots that def seem to be appearing quicker than straight coco.
And hey man, thank you kindly for taking the time to write that up for me really got me thinking about some cool stuff kudos.
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Lipa Kreepa said: I hear that bro. Coco is all i ever clone w. Adding a small amount of mycorrhizae powder to it has really uped my game in regard to healthier white roots that def seem to be appearing quicker than straight coco.
Everytime I get momentum i've had to start my grows over for many reasons.
I think I've used coco a few ways one being high perlite with high success rates, I think recently I've been using straight coco in a shoebox, with the lid on the shoebox at first, and the coco provides adequate moisture. I think I've had success in low heat without any lid on the plants and then in higher heat require a lid on the shoebox.
I rooted 80-100 plants micro propagated 100% success in pure coco in a single shoebox if I remember right, however it was fresh coco i think after I use the batch once or twice algae and mold start rampaging shit maybe I just need to sterilize it each time.
Theres been times where Ive gotten momentum and was getting 100% success and times where Ive had 100% failrate possibly needing to sterilize the soil I'm thinking.
look at the shoeboxes here :

The plants that went into hydro were taken from those shoeboxes these were micropropogation tests where I took say one 5 inch area and made 3-5 clones with it.
i've never tried mycorhizzae but have been looking into it due to gyroporous cyanescens and clitocybe odora I have bought grain of both being mycorhizzal and using a method they call "landing" to put or land it by a tree.
-------------------- Those that know their mushrooms say...[...] Amanita. [quote]sublimistri said: id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote] [quote]sublimistri said: this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
#25308913 - 07/04/18 09:27 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: Hahahaha. Dude, I've grown more plants in a single season then you will ever see in your life. Trust that.
My tent does 100 clones in two months and this is a very tiny amount imo.
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merch137 said: What you guys are now doing is making it look like Im attacking when i was being flamed you might want to go back a few fucking pages in the thread and see who was really being put down and why its being defended when its right and youre wrong.
You've been doing nothing but telling us we're full of shit and can't grow our asses out of a wet paper bag. Show us the money.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: KenInVic]
#25308918 - 07/04/18 09:30 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had around 40 strains confiscated in 2017 and waited almost a year before I started to grow again.

This is the last image of that grow (before adding more lights that I just ruined the other day) before it turned into a disaster that I no longer wanted to take care of until harvest. Compared hydro vs coco of the same strains already.
-------------------- Those that know their mushrooms say...[...] Amanita. [quote]sublimistri said: id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote] [quote]sublimistri said: this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
#25308929 - 07/04/18 09:40 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice photo. The shoe boxes w the straight coco are the cloning domes, but how about the big rubbermaid w the holes cut for net pots? Is that the early veg of freshly rooted clones or another wave of clones?
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
#25308931 - 07/04/18 09:42 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thats the wave of clones. For that batch i think i did veg. To get things going faster I'm rooting in flowering right now and putting them into hydro as soon as possible they will still get around a foot tall.
Here's some boss hogg cuts grafted onto a large ass amnesia/sativa that was like a year old itself that was more than likely a clone looking like a fuckin tree lost those too the trunks were overgrowing 2 inch netpots. These were the mother plants of all those clones.
 
I put diesal autos on here and I did fertilize them and I did get seeds in veg.
I had like 5 strains on this big ass sativa. These were some amnesias that got flowered, accidentally revegged, flowered, then I decided they were so big and produced so many clones I couldnt dispose of them so i took them out of the tent and grew them in the room with my oldest lights.
I wasn't trying to be against organics or the sun. When I hear soil I think of something black, compact, and waterlogged. Once the plants are large a little more water retention seems ideal but when they are small they wont be able to suck up all the water and it will saturate.
I was going to use cow shit in my first grows mixed in soil was told that was leeching nitrogen and just to use liquid fertilizers/fox farms, I tried using bone meal or blood meal at one point and had to supplement it with liquid nutes, burning the plants. Being able to control whats available to the plant by not providing it anything in the soil was the easiest way to get healthy plants, so I didnt bother with organics although I see strong looking vegetables grown this way I still dont think end quality vs hydro is going to be better due to vigor should be on the other side. As far as organics goes I just started using liquid ferts as it was the solution, and continued down that road. As far as soil goes, soilless mixtures were really more effective in vigor, and trying to fluff out soil with perlite was nasty and black perlite. Organic hydroponics is aquaponics and that I havent tried although I don't really think that would produce better results than my current setup. What I'm using is the most effective I've seen in many areas. After switching to this fert I compared it to fox farms in soil as well as hydro. It was like upgrading to soilless mixtures all over again. I had like 100 dollars worth of shit to upkeep with foxfarms between ph, 3x foxfarms bottles, and calmag. Now i'm using one twenty dollar bottle for all of those functions.
-------------------- Those that know their mushrooms say...[...] Amanita. [quote]sublimistri said: id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote] [quote]sublimistri said: this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]
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#25309377 - 07/05/18 07:34 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Open mind - I didn't see a question in there but I feel your stress about the split. I recently did some heavy heavy LST to most od my girls, two are three months old been vegging the whole time and I waited way too long to start (bc I don't know and no one answered previous questions) so I'm learning hard way too.
You basically repaired it the way I see recommended, I usually see people add honry in the break before splinting and tie wrapping. That's what I did I plan to remove the tie wraps in a week or so I fear they may inhibit growth.
I think I may switch to aloe though, after catching up the last few pages, I've seen honey used a rooting hormone for helping clones and I think that's why it's recommended for this repair. So, from this, I think aloe would have the same added benefit.
When honey is used for a rooting hormone it's recommended to boil water, add the honey, mix, let cool. Sterilization is important. For this alone it makes it inconvenient vs the aloe method Ran D linked and I will now start using.
Not to brinf up an argument or anything, I just want to stress what I've learned from months of reading for all the noobs like myself absorbing every detail in this thread back those who are impressionable, I agree with merch that LEDs are now more powerful than HID lights and will have better results.
But these lights are the cutting edge in LEDs and building your own will be $1/watt round about, or buying from a premier LED company like say Timber grow lights, you'll easily spend $2/watt.
A 400 watt LED could easily cost 600-800 yet it will have better color spectrum bc it's completely customizable, it will run much cooler and be a staggering 40% more efficient bc less electricity is being converted into heat, it's all becoming light, and then there's the further added benefit of modern LEDs having up to 3x the PAR (photosynthetically available radiation) as HId lights in the same lumens.
In summary, one could purchase a light that puts out 3x the usable light (photons) even though it's the same lumens rating, it will run cooler and cost 40% less electricity to run. For indoors the future is LED and it's undeniable.
HID lighting is not new nor state of the art as someone said, it's quite old it's been the standard of growing for 40years, it's incredibly wasteful energy wise bc so much power is used to create unwanted heat, and the color spectrum just happened to be one we can take advantage of, we can do this better by running MH for veg and HPS for flower.
But the reason they're popular today, still, is start up cost, a brand new I power 400 watt hps is $130 for the whole kit including hangers and a timer, a quality 400 watt LED is $400 if you build it yourself with no extras.
That's the major reason along with knowledge, there's 100 Chinese grow light manufacturers out there and most are crap,you brag about how you're getting x amount of watts worth of power but only using 70 watts from the wall, you're drinking the advertising koolaid and then telling us you did your research earlier ans we just have to believe you.
I'm very interested to learn what lights you run merch. I have no dog in this argument you had but the more you talk the more you reveal how little you know on rbe subject. There is soooooo much disinformation out there and I feel it's necessary to clarify.
All the real LED grow lights do not persuade one to buy with claims of saving power from the wall, they assume one knows even with LED you still want full power from the wall, I want all 400 watts from the wall for that timber grow light for example bc unlike the ipower 400 that draws 400 but only uses say 340 for light and rhe other 60 watts are constantly producing heat all day, this is one of the system they get extra PAR is same power in, more light output out by increased efficiency.
We don't want to be more efficient to save power. We want more efficiency to crank up the power as high as we can without tripping breakers or causing unwanted heat.
For example I have a tiny veg tent I recently bought two of the best (imo) Chinese led grow lights for. They advertise at 300 watts each, they advertise one is more than enough for my 2x4 tent but I know better. I bought two for my tent and I know I'm still underpowered. At 34 true watts per square foot i will be adequately powered for veg, I could flower in there and i may one time just to see, but I bought them bc a) much more preferable daylight spectdums for veg and b) much cooler for this tent it's only 5' tall.
It's koolaid my friend, do more reading before taking such hard stances. Unless of course, you are running an appropriately sized and spaced quantum board or similar, but then you wouldn't link such garbage or have such holes in your arguments logic.
I initially bought a mars hydro 300 thinking it would be all I need and that's what I'm preventing here is some noob from following merchs breadcrumb trail.
Most people in the other forums that have all those Chinese grow lights have literally 9 of them to total an acceptable wattage draw. Ridiculous.
And to claim LEDs are better than tbe sun is just bollocks imo, I agree totally on missing a full profile in tbe end product the sun gives continual variations in wavelengths all day all year. LED chooses one.
Edited by Humble Newcomer (07/05/18 08:19 AM)
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Too big of a wall of text but youre thinking brands mean something in leds they dont.
You can get 120 dollar 1000 watt chinese lights that will perform as good if not better than those american made 500 dollar lights. In watt for watt performance let alone being two and a half times the size.
When selecting a light the amount of power it uses it secondly most important to the size of the bulb. if you fuck up on one of these two areas while choosing the led youll get buds the size of my pinky. Whether its an american light running off cree or chinese off bridgelux/epistars does not matter if you fuckup on one of those specs let alone both your light will give underperforming results.
You want 5w+ bulbs and pulling about 30% of its power so for a 1000 watt light you want atleast around 300 watts actual power.
Youll find two types of chinese lights
Super efficiency : Pulls around 70-100 watts for an entire 1000 watt light, these lights only use less than one watt or so per bulb and they have a hard time penetrating with so little light output, nor can they give good yields like this even when stacked together.
The lights you want : Runs at around 30% total power, a 1000 watt light pulls around 326 watts of power. These lights can penetrate and put off way more light per bulb.
Brand doesnt matter they will be using cree, epistar, or bridgelux led bulbs.
The size of the light bulb also efffects light production and penetration so a 1k watt lgihtbulb of 1 watt bulbs will give you less than half the yielf of 5 watt bulbs as they cannot penetrate and give off way less light.
Reading a little bit of your post shows massive ignorance towards leds in general and you wouldnt select the right ones and overpay for bad ones and get shit results and have a terrible perception of reality of leds vs sun vs hps.
-------------------- Those that know their mushrooms say...[...] Amanita. [quote]sublimistri said: id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote] [quote]sublimistri said: this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]
Edited by merch137 (07/05/18 08:17 AM)
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"When I hear soil I think of something black compact and waterlogged."
My soil has lots of aeration and never gets waterlogged. Crazy eh?
Read Teaming with Microbes.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
#25309407 - 07/05/18 08:01 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Problem is it will never be superior even with mycorhizzae helping you powerhouse in soil you should still get outperformed by hydro in your best of soil as well as end products.
My soilless mixtures are heavily aerated which is very close to your soils as you have already revealed.
-------------------- Those that know their mushrooms say...[...] Amanita. [quote]sublimistri said: id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote] [quote]sublimistri said: this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
#25309413 - 07/05/18 08:06 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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merch137 said: Problem is it will never be superior even with mycorhizzae helping you powerhouse in soil you should still get outperformed by hydro in your best of soil as well as end products.
My soilless mixtures are heavily aerated which is very close to your soils as you have already revealed.
You keep repeating nonsense that has no basis in reality.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
#25309416 - 07/05/18 08:07 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Non aerated soil gets outperformed by aerated soils.
Soils in a bag mostly arent very aerated as well as being inferior to soilless mixtures.
Any kind of well aerated soil gets outperformed by hydroponics.
This has been done by testing.
If you want to argue and give no slack expect none.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
#25309421 - 07/05/18 08:15 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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In that pic is it a 4x4 tent with a mars 300 hydro (white) and another 300 watt LED?
16 square feet with 270 real watts (17watta per square foot)
Is that about right? Is this what you recommend and advise for flower? May be 5x5 and two 600w units?
Edit - you edited your previous post, I'll edit this one, I don't pretend to know how to build my own yet but there's plenty of deadmau5 videos amd drbn32 at ilgm constantly advises people on what to buy to build the best LED light you can for the money, you have strong words for someone who says one thing about badass LEDs and flowers with shit Mars Hydro
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
#25309424 - 07/05/18 08:17 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Merch got bad results with water logged soil, so now you grow in pure water?
Sounds logical.
Water is not your problem. It's lack of air. All your problems with soil could have been easily solved with a $3 smart pot. You don't need a 60% mix of perlite. You spouting off how bad soil is just proves your fundamental lack of growing knowledge. Again, nature is smarter than you. You can't do it better, even with your pH pen and bottle of chemical nutes.
Show us another leaf please. Your bud looks like shit.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
#25309426 - 07/05/18 08:19 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Youre trying to argue against solid fucking tests of soils, and many types of soilless mixtures with peat, verm, sand, and coco.
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Humble Newcomer said: In that pic is it a 4x4 tent with a mars 300 hydro (white) and another 300 watt LED?
16 square feet with 270 real watts (17watta per square foot)
Is that about right? Is this what you recommend and advise for flower? May be 5x5 and two 600w units?
You need to go up and read my posts for what I reccomend as its not just just a 600w unit that Im selecting I select by specs not brand or light size.
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merch137 said: Reading a little bit of your post shows massive ignorance towards leds in general and you wouldnt select the right ones and overpay for bad ones and get shit results and have a terrible perception of reality of leds vs sun vs hps.
I've got a total of 8 led lights now, in that picture I had a total of 4 to cover flowering and veg.
Within the last two weeks I have blown out my more prized dual 5 watt chips 1000 watt lights I had custom made from china that pull 326 watts a piece.
The lights that you seen in that image should be a black and a white 1000 watt lights that are 5w bulbs pulling 300+watts of power.
For this 4x4 setup I want atleast two sets of 3 lights, so this would be 6000 watts total at the very least for getting near optimal results.
-------------------- Those that know their mushrooms say...[...] Amanita. [quote]sublimistri said: id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote] [quote]sublimistri said: this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
#25309435 - 07/05/18 08:27 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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The cringe is too strong
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#25309441 - 07/05/18 08:29 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're avoiding a real light discussion by throwing insults and it's very easy to see merch. You edited your previous argument and I did as well go check it. The words you're grasping for and not finding are PAR and micro mole per square foot and referencing the light charts whose name escapes me atm
Transparent even for a first time grower like me to notice. Go home poser.
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There's an excuse and an edit in like every one of his posts in here.
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So now that I've LST'd a few plants and gotten a feel for what, how, why, I realize I didn't do an optimal job. Or at the optimal time.
I was quite late, Mary Lou is 3 months old now and it was her first LST. Several branches broke, I'd seen many videos saying that's not a big deal so I wasn't worried and I put honey in it and tie wrapped the stalk closed tight.
However, I basically took all the nodes and pulled them down horizontal and tied to outer rim of fabric five gallon pot. The tops extend out past the edge of the pot a few inches all around she has a huge footprint now.
She's recovered nicely and all the tops curled up immediately and now have maybe 2-3" of vertical growth from this very large footprint, and, bonus, a lot of the smaller side shoots are now becoming tops and that saves me because I accidentally combined both LST methods and bemt over the center cola too lol, so I have a huge ring of tops and a naked inner diameter.
My question is did I mess up big time by ending up with so much horizontal surface area of tops? She's still in veg, but if I were to flip her with only 3-4" vertical rises yet a foot of horizontal run on each top, will I get any bud on the horizontal runs?
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