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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
    #25306978 - 07/03/18 07:02 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

No I just woke up and havent smoked you guys are sitting here acting like grows without any quality control are top looking buds.


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id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote]

[quote]sublimistri said:
this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
    #25306980 - 07/03/18 07:04 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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If you are growing organic you don't need to flush. In fact well made soil with good humus content will most likely get waterlogged if you try.






And soil that will get waterlogged at all is trash period. that will ruin plants and roots and is a complete and total trashy environment for root systems to thrive. Theyll live not thrive.

I can pour infinite gallons into my mixes and it will balance itself out and be clean soil, this is why i use high perlite its impossible to get the many problems that come from saturation.




We want pics of your beautiful flowers. All flowers are cool and no one grows perfect weed.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mmcc]
    #25306982 - 07/03/18 07:06 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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If you are growing organic you don't need to flush. In fact well made soil with good humus content will most likely get waterlogged if you try.






And soil that will get waterlogged at all is trash period. that will ruin plants and roots and is a complete and total trashy environment for root systems to thrive. Theyll live not thrive.

I can pour infinite gallons into my mixes and it will balance itself out and be clean soil, this is why i use high perlite its impossible to get the many problems that come from saturation.




We want pics of your beautiful flowers. All flowers are cool and no one grows perfect weed.





Perfect weed does come from leds and hydroponics that are maintained. Perfect isnt the proper word for what seems like improved potency as well.

Even in small areas for roots, the waterspace seems to be infinite space for their small lifetime, which is another big factor in thriving not living.


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[quote]sublimistri said:
id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote]

[quote]sublimistri said:
this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
    #25307003 - 07/03/18 07:21 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Humus rich soil conserves water, is what that means... which is not actually a bad thing.

Perfect is a matter of opinion. You know beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that. There's no real definitive way to compare cannabis from just pictures on the internet. :ruggedwink:


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: hummingbird]
    #25307011 - 07/03/18 07:25 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Perfect is clearly not opinion, one mushroom bit all to hell from flies is imperfect, while one growing in perfect conditions with no flies is perfect. Your bud should be the equivalent to rubbing all the thc off with your hands before smoking it in quality, very imperfect.

Coco conserves water and its a fucking terrible thing, anytime you see saturation youre currently sacrificing vigor.

I've come to the conclusion coco is to be used like verm in brf cakes, to hold water around the perlite. This is how it performs best.

If you start going full coco you sacrifice vigor from being saturated and compact, start adding any kind of soil/dirt/sand to this shit and it become further compact making those problems/degeneracies amplified.

For my mothers I went more heavy on coco than normal thats because I dont want to water them twice a day for being in optimal soil, big plants can suck down good soils water fast, or fully developed plants in their rooting environment/pot will suck the good soils water down fast as it doesnt retain water much for optimal growth. As I said before I made decisions on them that werent for performance.


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[quote]sublimistri said:
id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote]

[quote]sublimistri said:
this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]


Edited by merch137 (07/03/18 07:31 PM)


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
    #25307028 - 07/03/18 07:41 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I have perlite, lava rock, and growstones in my soil for aeration. Growstones seem to be holding up way longer than perlite through the recycle, which is awesome, plus lighter than lava rock...and they are made from recycled glass too.


I do agree that overwatering/saturating causes problems though. Shit, that means we agree on something.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: hummingbird]
    #25307061 - 07/03/18 07:58 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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I do agree that overwatering/saturating causes problems though. Shit, that means we agree on something.




Many problems one being how fast your roots and the rest of the plant grows, overall health/vigor. If the roots are slacking within two weeks the rest of the plants a slacker compared to what it should be.

If your soil can even saturate than in general the plant is in those conditions already to a lesser extent which hits vigor, its got too much of the water retaining parts in its mixture whether it be coco, soil, humus. It's not an optimal soil. If the soil saturates at all the soil is also probably compact and the roots slacking and growing differently as well. If it rains youre saturated.

This is one of the key points in how my soils are even made. I've been altering everything based on vigor, and the best mixes are 60%+ perlite with the rest being coco. Not compact and doesnt saturate so all its water content is fresh and easily flushes/cleans during proper waterings, which the plants respond to.

Soils that dont saturate and watered more frequently in some manners seems best compared to hydro plants with an airpump on them vs the ones sitting without an airpump or in this case saturated soils. The waters not saturated its fresh and full of oxygen.

Controlling plants in optimal soil is way too much work when hydro is one step further down that same path and can require anywhere from 7 to 28 times less work.

Environment also helps, fresh air exchange and a little heat will help leech water from the tops of the soil and dry it out evenly for another good watering. Indoors environments without these two are more prone to saturate even with good soils, although a good soilless mixture can prevent most if not all of it once the plant is almost sized to its container.


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Those that know their mushrooms say...[...] Amanita.
[quote]sublimistri said:
id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote]

[quote]sublimistri said:
this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]


Edited by merch137 (07/03/18 08:27 PM)


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
    #25307093 - 07/03/18 08:24 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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I think the florida soil was in bottom middle as well as up one and to the left, possibly all three bottoms if I ran out of mixture


Theres sand in the bottom parts of this image where grass cleared, I found/used some dirt.

I also tried sand, which makes the soil compact, which is what I try to do the opposite of with lots of perlite, one of the things anyways.




Your soil looks waterlogged


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mmcc]
    #25307097 - 07/03/18 08:25 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
    #25307103 - 07/03/18 08:28 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I haven't lived in florida for years.

I moved to vermont to grow legal marijuana.

That was me twelve years ago when I was still making soils that got waterlogged before doing the entire twelve year experiment with soils. Which seems to be somewhere around where youre at right now, me twelve years ago making waterlogged soils before trying my first soilless mixture.

Also I think I had pots and no soil and started digging it up to get the plants I wanted in pots.

If these werent confiscated I'd have pictures of 40+ strains by now

Do you see a soilless mixture that will saturate in that image even though i didnt have enough perlite for the bunch?



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...wait, this thread is about succulents? Well fuck me, I'm in the wrong place.





Every single plant I tried followed suite.

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every plant I tried after this followed suite. Since then I've tried various self made soilless mixtures to alter performance.




This seems to be one of the only images I can find of multiple plants








Countless species were tested.



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[quote]sublimistri said:
id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote]

[quote]sublimistri said:
this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]


Edited by merch137 (07/03/18 08:49 PM)


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137] * 1
    #25307183 - 07/03/18 09:12 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Hahahaha. Dude, I've grown more plants in a single season then you will ever see in your life. Trust that.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
    #25307193 - 07/03/18 09:18 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Hahahaha. Dude, I've grown more plants in a single season then you will ever see in your life. Trust that.





My tent does 100 clones in two months and this is a very tiny amount imo.


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[quote]sublimistri said:
id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote]

[quote]sublimistri said:
this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D] * 1
    #25307204 - 07/03/18 09:23 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Hahahaha. Dude, I've grown more plants in a single season then you will ever see in your life. Trust that.




Isn’t hydro just like growing in soil except the soil? just an easier and quicker way to get the nutes to your plants and less chance of bugs fucking with your shit. LEDs will never beat the sun though that’s for sure. Merch what’s the point of bashing on a method? Hydro is a good method, doesn’t mean outdoor in the soil isn’t a good method.  indoor hydro doesn’t mean top shelf weed everytime either. Commercial production isn’t the best grade and is mostly done in hydro. The magic comes down to the time, effort, and thought put into growing.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mmcc]
    #25307211 - 07/03/18 09:25 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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LEDs will never beat the sun though that’s for sure.




:rofl2:

5w epistars running at atleast 30% power gets the most amazing growth I've ever seen. At the very least juvenile plants don't seem to be able to be compared which converts to sogs as well. Overall end quality should be higher.

Soil/soilless dont have the same flexibility as hydro, if I do the same amount of plants in the same amount of space I will get rootbound root restrictions.

These should be the old sunspects running off epistars or bridgelux I think they were called, and both were good.
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[quote]sublimistri said:
id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote]

[quote]sublimistri said:
this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]


Edited by merch137 (07/03/18 09:42 PM)


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
    #25307275 - 07/03/18 10:16 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

That's pure ignorance. LEDs are great and all, but you haven't seen much if you think they beat the sun kid.

I wish I could have some ladies outside in my greenhouse. Someday.


ps- those Chinese knockoff LEDs you linked aren't very good examples either, there's some really nice ones being made these days if you look around.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: hummingbird]
    #25307285 - 07/03/18 10:23 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Brand doesnt matter its the specs. I highly doubt you know half as much about them as I looked into them and used them, which makes your comparison fucked up.

Like the ones using cob lights thinking they are superior, when they are indeed inferior to these bulbs setup properly.

I was going to build my own lights and still probably am in the far future, because I have to relook up all the configuration, the important part is the actual power or percent of power they run at and the types/sizes of bulbs.

I've been using leds exclusively since 2010. starting with 1w and 3w lights some manufactured in usa on cree leds which are not anymore impressive than the other leds. The american light was better at the time (2011) for not being as efficient and using more power, which is where I got the idea from as it was indeed true. With each upgrade in bulb size + power consumption I see noticeable increases in yields as well as light penetration. No matter which brand is replacing who its all the same pattern.

My 1000 watt light from china running off 70 watts power super efficient and no heat will put off buds the size of my thumb, while pretty much the same exact lights running off 320 watts power puts off buds the size of 2x spraypaint cans. Its incredibly dim in comparison and has no penetration.

I'm sure he gets a shitload of acceptable smoke, however I don't think it will be as quality as indoors led and hydroponics plus rainwater and roughness of weather can more than likely fuck with trichomes.


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[quote]sublimistri said:
id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote]

[quote]sublimistri said:
this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]


Edited by merch137 (07/04/18 05:22 AM)


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    #25307688 - 07/04/18 06:30 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: El Torcho]
    #25307689 - 07/04/18 06:31 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I know when I think of killer bud, I always think of ....... Vermont.

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    #25307716 - 07/04/18 06:54 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Dont let that scare you away. Stick around stranger. If you do have thirty years of experience, you could be a valuble contribution to this thread and potentially help some ppl w less time in the trenches. Welcome to the shroomery btw :heart:

Ran-D, could you elaborate on the aloe foliar feed? Im familiar w using aloe for cloning. The salicytic acid (i prbly butchered that. Just woke up. Lazy, tired and kinda dumb :P ) was the chemical component which i was told was what was good for the propagation process. But are you using it for nutrient purposes or pest control? Lmk, im hella curious :strokebeard: any chance i have to work w aloe, ill prbly take it. Good stuff. Maybe i just have slime issues :evil2:


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #25307785 - 07/04/18 08:04 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Well, I will basically summarize the words of smarter people.

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soilscapesolutions said: The aloe contains saponins and salycilic acid... Saponins trigger System Aquired Resistance and Hormone Aquired Resistance. Salycilic acid is involved in plant deefense and helps during times of stress.

Aloe vera is a nutrient accumulator and works great when foliar sprayed. It contains amino acids, enzymes, micronutrients, lignins, polysacharides... It also improves microbe life in soil and on leaves and is a fungal food source.





So yea, I am using it as a growth promoter. It seems to help deter pests as well though.


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