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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Most of my plants are finally starting to flower. This will likely be my last grow for a year or two but next time around I will be more mindful about choosing varieties that flip into flowering a bit earlier. The first couple years I grew all of the strains I had going flipped around the beginning of Aug, last year and this time around everything I have going isn't transitioning into flowering until basically now/the beginning of Sept. (And now, 8 to 10+ more weeks to go)
Looking on the bright side, since they all continued to stay in vegetative growth through out the month of August they are all quite a bit larger than I imagined they would get...I got the clones around early July IIRC and figured they would have about 4 to 5 weeks of growth before flipping into flower, but they got an entire extra month of veg that I didn't think they were going to get. What I thought were only going to be quarter pounder plants are likely going to give me 1/2lb to 3/4lb each, so that's nice! (If I successfully bring them all to a prime harvest) The Macs still aren't quite there but close....those plants are going to take so long to finish up, I'm assuming November 10th to 15th at the earliest but I would love to be wrong lol. One of my random seed plants looks to have some mites on a few leaves but other than that all of my plants appear free of pests/issues and have nice healthy white pistils at the bud sites and some already have some frost/trichomes forming. I gave all of my plants another spray down with oils yesterday. Hoping that continues to keep the mites in check. The store where I get my essential oils was almost out of all of the best oils, all I can assume is that a lot of other local/small time growers are starting to use them because I've never seen the shelves of essential oils completely wiped out at this store before...They were out of rosemary oil which is my #1 and their lavender oil was way too expensive, so I ended up getting a blend that has peppermint oil, eucalyptus oil, hyssop oil, and rosemary oil. I'm curious to see if it does the trick. It was right around this time last year that I was hit with the mite infestation, so I've been a bit worried (especially after seeing some on one plant) but I feel I have things a lot more under control this time around. When I spotted some on another plant several weeks ago my oil mixture definitely wiped them out because I'm not seeing any signs of them on that plant at all anymore. Lots of aphids around my yard/plants this time around too...usually they don't appear until early October/closer to harvest. Caterpillars have been pretty prolific this year too, more so than the last few years. Quote: That is super cool! Being able to see not only humidity but also C02, and having it all graphed out like that. I love "data" and info like that lol. And I can see that info being very valuable for dialing in the cure. I'm aware of the gasses/C02 that comes from the curing/bacteria, but I never actually gave much thought to tracking the C02 during the cure like people track the humidity levels. I mentioned it a while back...but a few of my jars of buds from last summers harvest that I thought were completely dry and done curing were definitely not lol. Once I thought they were done curing they sat around sealed up for several months with out being opened, and when I opened them there was a lot of gas/pressure build up in a few of them. Which made me realize the buds continue to cure & bacteria continue to feast for quite a while so lots of gasses/C02 are still being released. This time around I will be burping/venting all of my jars a few more times even several months after I feel that they've finished up "curing". -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: Yea outdoors is a bit different of a game with different potential risks/issues, at the same time though I look at indoors as being a bit more difficult in other ways. It totally depends on one's climate and where one lives and what pests reside in their area. In some areas/climates growing outdoors is easier than others, lots of variables. Where I live I have damn near zero risk for mold/rot/mildew on the leaves or in the buds from humidity/moisture through out almost the entire grow season. It is pretty sunny and dry in my area all grow season but when getting close to harvest (October and beyond) the mornings can be cool/moist enough for some dew to be on the plants. It is sometimes still in the 80s here though into October though, a dryer & warmer autumn is becoming more common it seems over the years in my area (but some rain or even big storms have happened mid October, still possible) I do feel that the bugs/pests are a bit more of an issue in my area though than others. I see some outdoor growers in other parts of North America that do just about nothing for controlling pests and they still harvest good buds. I'd say caterpillars are the most common/wide spread pest through out California (and no doubt other parts of the country), if one doesn't do anything to control them I feel their buds will absolutely be fucked by them. Caterpillars are very easy to control though. Aphids are one of the only other pests I've had that pose a threat to my plants. I don't really worry much about them, they don't impact the plants health/development all that much and they are easy to get rid of tho can be tricky during flowering. It is just the sticky/sugary mess aphids make from their excretions that can fuck up the essence of the flowers if one doesn't do anything about em'......AND MITES!, as you probably know by now if you've read my and LizWiz and others experience with mites (particularly hemp/russet and broad mites), they can be absolutely devastating and at times very difficult to what seems almost impossible to irradiate. Mites aren't an outdoor only issue though, they can and absolutely do happen indoors (Liz had em' worse than I did and he's indoors). So caterpillars are just about the only pest I deal with that you indoor growers likely don't. I've never had any issues or pests in the soil/roots. If growing directly in the ground gophers can be a risk, but that can be controlled easily by using metal mesh cages/baskets in the ground to protect the main root structure. It's not that difficult to control such things if one has the $ for it and knows what to do and what options are out there. $150 or less on stuff for pest management is all one would need for 10-ish medium to big plants outdoors for the full season. Considering one isn't paying any electricity outdoors it is pretty cheap to grow the plants so that cost of having a solid pest management regimen in place isn't all that bad. If I had the $ I would have damn near zero issues with pests. I'm just getting by on bare minimum this time around and don't have the $ to get what I feel would prevent the risk of a mite infestation, which is really the only potentially devastating pest I've had to deal with over the past several years that I've grown besides caterpillars. If I started applying my oil sprays earlier in the season I feel it would have prevented any mites from taking hold on my plants, I've just been a bit lazy and down this year and haven't kept up on everything (I really should tho, fack lol). Caterpillars are very easy to control, "BT" is cheap and highly effective for preventing and killing them and it still fits in with my "organic"/bio based approach to growing. Aphids can be knocked off the plant with a paint brush or some water from a hose...or something like Dr. Zymes or essential oils & alcohol can also kill/control aphids, the zymes can be used through out flowering. Mites can be controlled/killed with oils/soaps/alcohol. And microbial-based insecticides such as Venerate and Grandevo are pretty effective at preventing all sorts of pests including mites from ever taking hold on the plant at all (which are the specific ones I would be using if I had the $ for them), and they too can be applied all through out flowering and are safe. Outdoors can be daunting in ways, no doubt...and it really depends where one lives...but in an ideal climate and with a proper approach it's not more difficult than indoors, I feel indoors is more difficult in ways lol. It is also cheap to grow a lot of herb. I've spent less than $250 total on my grow so far this year (that's including the cost of seeds/clones) and if I bring em' all to harvest I will have more than a years worth supply of herb/several pounds. And there is nothing like growing the plant under real sunshine, buds being blasted with a full spectrum of intense light that changes slightly through the day/season. I also like the unique "signature" or "terroir" that comes from the climate and soil where a plant is grown, and each year can be a bit different. I really do want to give indoor a go someday though ...seems like a much different game, it'd be nice (and tricky) to be in control of everything. And nice to be able to "pump up" things a bit with supplemental C02 once one has their grow dialed in...Just seems like it costs a pretty big chunk of $ for a proper indoor grow set up, even if small. Ideally...my dream set up is green house. Still having the natural sunlight and native climate to work with but sheltered from the elements just a bit and a have a little more control over the conditions. Tell your friend about "BT"...they'll have way less to almost no issues with caterpillars. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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One of my favorite moments of the grow that I've been looking forward to and waiting for, as of today several of my plants now have very distinct aromas starting to come from their resin/oils. And they are getting stanky enough that they make the house smell when I open the doors/windows in the early mornings for fresh/cool air to flow through the house. I'm a bit obsessed with aromas/essences and I love giving a flower on each of my plants a little tickle and smell every morning & evening, so I'm happy that I get to do that now lol. I've also been wanting to smell the fresh/live resin of some of the strains I've growing for a while now.
The "Sherblato" smells like a tropical perfume...floral and fruity and skunky, already has some gassy/diesel to it. The "Ice Cream Cake" straight up smells like an ice cream sundae to me...I don't know how else to describe it. Creamy and sweet vanilla and slightly fruity. One of my plants that came from a seed that I pulled out of the "Lemon Wookie Glue" that I grew last year...it has a very sharp juicy/sour pine and turpentine aroma that reminds me a lot of Jack Herer. Considering it just started to push out some pistils as of the past 3 to 4 days and it is just BARELY starting to push out its first trichomes (the trichomes just started to emerge like 24 to 36 hours ago), it has a very pungent aroma considering it just started to flower...From what I've observed, most plants I've grown take a few days for their resin to be aromatic/complex/unique, and this one has a very aromatic and distinct aroma right from the start...This plant should be ultra terpy/aromatic. I know the character of the aroma/essence can change as the flowers ripen up, but I'm really looking forward to this one! I have a "Skywalker" auto from mephisto that is very close to harvest, will likely take it down in the next day or two...It has a lemon/pine pinesol-like aroma. I'm not picking up much beyond that so far, not a very complex aroma and not quite the aroma I expected but it is pleasant. I will ramble on about the other strains/plants I have going once their aromas start to come through lol. Quote: I've heard the same from several others, seems to be mostly as of recent times/over the past year or two. This was my first time working with their stuff and my very first time working with auto genetics so I don't have much to compare to. I've been pretty impressed with most of what I've grown so far though...but the Skywalker gave me a lot of runts/stunted plants. Out of 5 seeds only one has grown up to a decent size and even it is small, though I did transplant it so that may have impacted its vigor/over all size. The freebie I got "3BOGXSamsquanch OG" was also stunted...but the other freebies I've got "Strawberry Nuggets X Mango Smile", they have been pretty fire and grew up with a lot of vigor. I loved the Creme de la Chem...That is one I will def be trying to get my hands on again, as well as any other auto crosses with CDLC or Mango Smile plants as the mommy or daddy. I still want to try their auto cookies (i forget the name of it), and one of their grape/purple strains. But yea...I've heard from a few different people/sources that their quality control has gone down a bit in recent times. And the way they sell their seeds it can be a hassle trying to get them since they sell out so quickly (but they can be found at other places/vendors) Sounds like Night Owl still has some quality stuff coming out...though small releases. I have a lot of interest in some stuff from Night Owl when ever I grow some autos again. Quote: I was pretty impressed with em' too. Night Owl, Twenty20 Mendo, and Rocbud are some I would suggest looking into. I feel they all have typical prices though, not sure what you consider to be "insane prices" lol. Seems like a lot more breeders are getting into autos over the past year, and some that have been "in the game" for a while like Twenty20 and Mosca....and a lot that are totally new to the game entirely. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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All of my plants are finally in the swing of flowering, most have been but the Macs are finally getting with the program here.
The Sherblato is the farthest along. The Cakes are doing things but taking their time. Frost/resin on all of them, the Ice Cream Cake and Sherblato are the most resinous so far. The seed grown "Lemon Wookie Glue X ?" smells strong and amazing and it is just now barely starting to get a touch/frost of trichomes, I can't wait until that thing is dripping with resin/oil...Heavy pine note up front, turpentine, sour, pineapple, lemon lime...similar to Jack Herer....So drastically different in aroma than any of the other plants I have going right now. This plant also got way taller than I imagined, pushing 7ft tall right now, has a classic christmas tree shape with a fairly open structure. I guess I am ending up with a plant that could qualify as "big" this time around, it took so long to flip to flowering that it continued to grow for a lot longer than I anticipated. This plant is also attracting the most pests, mites and aphids. My other seed grown plants that have a mystery father/pollen source so far seem pretty similar to their mother (one from Granimals and another from Vanilla Frosting), I'll be able to tell once they are a bit deeper into flowering....I was hoping so because I wanted a "do over" with both of those strains that I grew from clone last year. Those plants were impacted by mites pretty bad and I can tell I didn't do them justice at all, only got a few prime tops from them and the good buds I did get were really good but still not up to par with their potential. Speaking of other things I didn't anticipate, or just straight up didn't really think about doing this year...I have no trellising or any support structure built around any of my plants right now lol . They are all pretty stout plants with mostly strong/rigid branches, but come mid to late flowering once their branches have fat chunky heavy buds on them they are going to be flopping and drooping down everywhere. The Wedding Cake I grew last year got really floppy towards the end of flowering...And I can tell some other plants are going to need a lot of support in about a month lol.Aphids are prolific and persistent this year and they definitely like certain plants more than others...I haven't had a total infestation, I've kept them controlled with oils and even using a paint brush to swipe them off my small plants, but dang! I feel I have the mite situation under control (fingers crossed). All of my plants are developing as they should, unlike this time last year (what a nightmare). When looking over/scoping some of them earlier today, 3 of them do have some on some of the lower/inner buds but I'm doing another round of pruning this evening so all that is going to be removed anyway and I'm doing another round of essential oil sprays. Quote: What a beauty! I dig the pointy bracts. What sort of aroma does it have? Quote: I haven't seen your plants and grow space from that...uhh...from that angle before lol. Your grow space and those plants are a bit taller and larger than I thought they were. Sweet looking grow space/set up! Your lady is a beauty too. Ooof Quote: I like that look too! When his plants first started to bud I was really looking forward to seeing them swell up along the branch like that...Cool! Quote: Dude! ![]() Killer looking stuff right there BTW...in a nutshell, what is your style of growing as far as medium/nutrition? I think it was mentioned a while back that you're in soil? Wondering what you feed em' and how you go about it & what not. Quote: lol I don't think it's an idiotic move to do that. I've actually considered doing it myself but I am in soil (with a lot of coco in the mix), not sure how that'd play out in a totally inert medium. Experimenting and trying new things is good. -OM . Edited by openmind (09/09/21 06:09 PM)
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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I picked up my first bottle of nutes today lol.
I've always worked with raw organic materials/meals and ferments but I wanted to see if something like this that's already mostly soluble and available to the plants will enhance and boost the quality of my flowers. I've always been pretty happy with the flowers I've harvested through my first several years of growing now....but I feel I still have a lot of room for "fine tuning" and dialing in my ways of growing, there are always ways things can be improved, and finding out how much more nutrition my plants can benefit from. The stuff I got is from Roots Organics, their "Buddha bloom" ( 0.5 - 2 - 1 ... derived from Bat Guano, Phosphate Rock, Molasses, Earthworm Castings, Yucca Extract, Kelp Extract (Ascophyllum nodosum), Soy Extract). It still falls inline with my "organic"/bio based style of growing and is CDFA registered. They have another bloom nute that is mostly salts but along with several plant extracts in the mix that I want to also get but the grow store I went to didn't have that one. The one with the salts would be out of line with my typical approach to growing but I've been very curious about adding just a lil touch of em' to the grow. The store also gave me a free sample bottle of some fermented fish shit .I have some whole melons and banana peels fermenting right now. The melons popped up in my yard from what I grew last year and some critters got to them before I could so they went into the bucket to ferment along with nanner peels and a tiny bit of molasses. I will start to use that fermented melon in about 2 to 3 weeks along with small amounts of that fermented fish shit (about 2 to 3 times a week), a touch of magnesium-sulfate and molasses once or twice a week...Then nothing but water the last 2 ish weeks before harvest depending how quick/late some of them finish up. My plants are going to get a spray down this evening with clove oil, peppermint oil, eucalyptus oil, and sesame seed oil (with a dash of soap) to keep the mites away and eradicated. So far all flowers on all plants have healthy looking pistils on them and no leaves are showing signs of mites, I feel I have been controlling them with the oils but still a bit concerned about the thought of them lol. I do plan on lowering the concentration of the essential oils as the plants get deeper into flowering, but the oils really don't seem to impact the essence of the flowers or impact the trichomes or leafs in anyway. By morning I don't even smell them on the plant but I do give my plants a gentle rinse off with carbon-filtered water from the hose just to help remove any oily residues. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: ![]() This is the very first bottle of nutes I've ever purchased but I have worked with soil from Roots before and pretty familiar with the brand and their product line. I started my "soil" with "Roots Original" 4 years ago, since then I've added/expanded it a bit with their 707 mix, and this year I added a lot more coco to my soil, I've also added a lot of compost and other amendments over the years so the overall composition has changed but the base/start of it was Roots Original. But yea...I've heard good things about em', they are one of just a few "brands" that I have any interest in working with. Quote: Quote: Before I even read Icon's post, I was thinking the same thing....setting up a new grow room/space with all the gear/"toys" seems like it would be fun in some ways lol. I look at that space/room like a blank canvas lol. Lots of potential there and different ways things can be done. Even better when one has a variety of "toys" to work with beyond just lights & fans. I really do want to give indoor a try someday, just seems so damn expensive. And the cost of electricity every month on top of the initial cost of all the components one needs to start growing indoors. With my outdoor I spend like maybe $150 to $200 in total the entire 7 to 8 month grow season, the biggest cost of which are the seeds/clones themselves. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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One of my mystery/"bag seed" plants, grown from a seed that I pulled out of the "Granimals" that I grew last year, it definitely has an essence that is almost identical to its mother (Grape Pie X Animal Cookies). I have no idea where the pollen came from, it could be self pollinated, really not sure....but this plant is almost identical to its mother/Granimals as far as the aroma/essence it has. Like a combination of sweet & sour grapes & berries & flowers, and also some "spice" & cologne-like notes. Smells like a mixture of perfume and cologne, or like a gentleman's cologne that is turned a bit sweet & sour & candy like. One of my favorite smells for sure, I am super stoked that this plant has the essence/character that it has.
And my other "bag seed" grown plant with a mystery father/pollen source, the seed came out of some "Vanilla Frosting" that I grew last year, it too seems to have an aroma/essence that is almost identical to its mother! It barely just started to develop an aroma so it will become richer/more complex and change a bit over time, but it has a pine and creamy vanilla aroma so far that is quite similar to the Vanilla Frosting/mother that the seed came from. Both of those strains, "Granimals" and "Vanilla Frosting", I really wanted to try to grow again since last year those plants were impacted by mites and I only got a few prime buds from them and the over all quality was impacted a bit... ...So I am super happy to see that the seeds I got from those plants are resembling/smelling a lot like their mother/the plant they came from, and they are in WAAAAAY way better shape than their mother's were this time last year, and they have that "seed grown" vigor. Working with mystery/bag seeds is super exciting/fun for me lol....I just love the mystery of not knowing exactly what they'll grow into, as well as seeing how much they actually resemble the mother/plant they came from. I have somewhere around 100 to 150 "mystery/bag seeds" on hand, most of which came from mothers/strains with pretty good genetics...the father/pollen source is a total mystery though. I plan on growing a few of these mystery seeds every year along with my selected genetics of specific strains/clones. The mystery seed plant I grew last year, the seed came out of some "Thin Mint" I grew the previous year, also grew into a super dank killer plant (though it didn't smell anything like "Thin Mint"). Quote: ![]() Quote: Is that your big plant? I really do feel it had at least several more weeks to go, but it is hard tellin' how mature/ripe it actually is from looking a those pics. Unless the humidity is super low in your area I would not expect them to be ready to go into jars in just 3 to 4 days (but it is possible). At around 70 degrees and 50% humidity it usually takes my buds about 5 to 8 days to become dry enough to go into jars (and then it's another 7 to 10 days before I feel comfortable leaving the buds sealed up in a jar for more than a couple days with out venting/burping them). Depends on how dense the flowers are too. Quote: Looks yummy! Good stuff! Quote: Right on. Good luck man, hope things work out for ya. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: Nice. I have a decent amount of bud still from my plants last year and with a new/fresh harvest coming in soon (if all continues to go well) I have little interest in smoking the stuff.... ...so I will be turning a lot of it into hash and/or oils & edibles. I need to find some of that 99% iso, or at least 90%. It seems like ever since the virus started I can only find 70% iso at all the stores I usually go to. I came across some 70% ethyl alcohol for pretty cheap at a bargain/discount store (I'd prefer ethanol over iso), but since it is not being sold in a bottle for consumption I assume there has been a bittering agent added to it and if so that would totally taint and ruin the oil...I'm thinking about dipping my finger in some of the ethyl alcohol and taking a lil taste to see if it is bitter at all. I've also thought about using dry ice to get the iso or ethanol as extremely cold as possible. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: I watched those years ago when they came out. Pretty cool! It's been a long time since I've watched them so I've been meaning to check it out again. I love seeing cannabis in different cultures and different parts of the world. I hated seeing/hearing about GH seeds essentially tossing their genetics into the "wild" and potentially tainting the local/native landraces with their modern breeds/hybrids. From what I gather they've given their seeds to some growers in different parts of the world, which can likely help those locals with better yields/quality from "modern" hyrbids/genetics, but I feel that's likely tainting the genetics of the native landraces in that area or the varieties that people in those areas have been growing for generations....That's how it goes though I guess. RIP Franco .-OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: As in...they were collecting the landraces/native genetics as a way to preserve and save them from being mixed up with modern Euro strains/genetics? I never really thought about it that way TBH. I always perceived it as "White dudes coming in and taking seeds/genetics from native lands/peoples to create new strain based off those landrace genetics and ultimately to make $, and then polluting the native landrace/genetics by giving seeds of modern/hybrid varieties to the locals". I know in a few of those episodes the locals were growing strains/genetics that were given to them by Arjan/GH seeds. That thought does have me viewing the whole thing a bit differently though, that GH is actually "preserving" the landrace genetics in a way. That makes sense. And yea...that's unfortunate about Franco. You can tell he had a real deep passion & love for the plant and its aromas. I get the impression that Arjan is mostly about $ and business, while Franco seemed to have a true passion for the plant. Just going off impressions though, just from the various footage/film I've seen of them over the years. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: Yea I've taken a look at it before. There was some drama with Phylos a while back after they announced that they were going to start their own breeding program. Quote: And this video has a lot of insight and info about the whole ordeal, goes into it all from folks that are "in the know"...I haven't watched the entire video yet, I started to watch it a few years ago when it was all happening but I totally forgot about it. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: Off the top of my head, IIRC, I recall that castor plants are a rather toxic/poisonous plant (I think the beans/seeds specifically) and they can be invasive/spread easily in certain areas. They can be pretty though! -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Man...That plant I have growing from the seed that I pulled out of the "Lemon Wookie Glue", I think it is the most beautiful smelling plant I've grown yet, it smells straight up divine/heavenly. Over the last 48 hours or so it has started to develop some notes of rose and jasmine, it's the first time I've ever smelled distinct notes of rose and jasmine before in cannabis (tho I know there are a few varieties out there with notes of Rose). It is a very complex aroma and quite different in character than most of what I've been growing & smelling/smoking over the past few years. It has notes of pine, turpentine, rubber, lemon-lime, pineapple, rose, jasmine...Ooof...It is still in the early phases of flower development and has just barely started to stack/cluster up, the leaves are already totally drenched in a silver coating of oil/trichomes.
I am hoping it doesn't take super long to finish up and I can bring it to a proper harvest....I think I have somewhere around 25 to 50 more seeds that I pulled from the same plant, I will def be growing more of these and super curious to see what the others grow into. The Ice Cream Cake I have going is super resinous...the flowers already appear completely white and they still have at least 3 to 4 weeks to go. It still has an aroma that reminds me of straight up "ice cream" but some distinct notes are starting to become more apparent. Reminds me of an ice cream sundae or a banana split....Cherry slushy up front, creamy banana/vanilla, some mild funky notes like rotten milk/cheese starting to come up, picked up a slight hint of "gas" this morning but it doesn't seem to be a gassy strain at all. Speaking of gas...The "Sherblato" plants I have going totally reek of gas/diesel, ooof. Super gassy and very skunky, fruity and floral notes, some slight brown sugar/cookie notes. These plants reek though, they put off a lot of acetone-like smells at night. Working near the plants in the evening they straight up "stink", in a good way. The first winds of the "flowering season" came through my area yesterday, and today is a bit breezy too. Likely the same low pressure system that blew over some of QM33s plants. I didn't build up any trellis or support structure around my plants this year as they were growing up (I usually do), so yesterday I was in a bit of a rush to build some support for a few of my plants....Two plants were already starting to get a "lean" to them and they didn't even have much bud weight yet, so definitely needed to get that done. My cakes seem pretty stout at the moment, but I do remember the branches on the Wedding Cake I grew last year got all sorts of floppy/droopy towards the end because the buds were so heavy. All of my plants are looking great right now....If all continues to go well this will be my best harvest ever. Best harvest in regards to the weight I should get, the variety/diversity of different strains/aromas/flavors, as well as quality. Quote: Plants outdoors, unless put into light dep, do indeed grow/live for a lot longer than most indoor plants do. Though I'm talking in regards to a cultivated outdoor plant, and not a plant growing purely on its own in the "wild". When I harvest my full term plants they are 7 to 9 month old plants. Seems like most indoor growers flip their plants into flower after just a month or two of veg. Quote: Interesting... I've never heard anything like that before. I'll have to give that a watch a bit later. I'm curious what his theory is about this? I don't see why a clone taken off a mother plant several months later than another is going to produce more terps? IME...seed grown plants have tremendously more vigor than clones do. I prefer to grow from seed, but I do grow a variety of strains every year that are available only as clones. Quote: That's wild it flowered, got pollinated, produced seeds, then flipped back into veg and is now flowering again. I remember when that plant started to flower early last spring and got pollinated, I would have never expected it to re-veg and flower all over again. I experienced some plants (clones) going into flower early then re-vegging for my first time this year....When they started to flip back into vegetative growth they pushed out so many damn shoots/branches, the plants turned into a total mess/cluster fuck of tangled leafs & branches everywhere. I had to thin them out and cut away A LOT of branches otherwise the inside of the plant would have been a tangled mess of branches/buds. Those plants look great now though and will likely be the first plants I harvest this fall (Sherblato). -OM .
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Quote: What LW said..."Both if you ask me (stacking)...Bud shape through calyxes (stacked), or "budlets" stacking up into one big bud(stacking up/filling up/in)" When I say it just refer to it generally in regards to calyxs clustering up as well as budsites/budlets stacking up vertically that will eventually create a single large flower. But this year on several plants I am really seeing the "stacking" of bud sites/budlets on a level that I never have before lol. I might end up with some of the largest buds I've ever had this time around...I assume it's from the increase of P & K from that bloom nute I'm using (first grow I've used it), as well as just the genetics/traits of those plants. Quote: It really is lol. I'm so tired of saying and typing out the name of that strain lol. I've grown it the past 3 years I think now so I've talked/typed about it a lot over the years, feels like such a mouth full lol. The plant I'm growing this time around from a seed that I pulled out of the LWG that I grew last year is already looking and smelling way better than any of the original LWG plants that I've grown. Similar tho. LWG is = "Lemon Wookie X Gluebx2" Its mother "Lemon Wookie" comes from a cross of "Lemon Diesel" and Bodhi's "Wookie". And "Wookie" = "Big Buddy’s Lavender x Appalachia". It smells so good tho. Quote: I was going to mention the same! Quote: I've only had a few strains with a savory essence to em'. Have yet to have anything that was meaty tho. Some cuts of GMO (Garlic Mushroom Onion) def have a savory thing going on, hence the name lol (tho some were mostly chemmy/gassy). A plant I grew last year from a seed I pulled out of some "Thin Mint" had a bit of a soup/curry smell going on. I was reading a review about some strain recently that had a very meaty and savory essence to it, I'll try to find it and post it. -OM .
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Quote: What type of molasses do you work with? Just a heads up if you didn't know, "Blackstrap", the super dark/rich molasses, is the specific type of molasses you want to be using. Typical molasses is mostly just sugar and doesn't really contain a lot of nutrition and doesn't offer much to the roots/plants, it just feeds the microbiology in the soil. Blackstrap has a higher mineral content compared to typical molasses and has a lil bit of K to offer. Even then, Blackstrap is just a bit of minerals and a tiny bit of K. If your native soil is already nice & nutritious though, and it seems like it is, it doesn't take much to grow a healthy plant. Last year I grew some plants in the ground and didn't really give them much of anything at all besides a lil bit of kelp and alfalfa, and a bit of molasses towards the last couple weeks, other than that they received nothing but water for 7+ months. They turned out great. If you're growing in soil with organics you do not need to "flush" at all...there is nothing in the soil that you need to "flush away". -OM .
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Quote: If you are growing in a soil-less medium with out any organic materials involved and feeding your plants/roots via salts, what role does that microbe innoculant play? Or what role do microbes play at all when growing soilless with salts? I always perceived microbe inoculants like those to be beneficial to those growing in soil/with organic materials, I didn't know they did anything at all within a soilless medium or when feeding a plant purely with salts since salts are already totally soluble/available the roots can take them up easily and I didn't think they needed "help" from microbes. And wouldn't the salt solutions one uses to feed their plants be detrimental to the life of the microbes in that inoculant? That's a bummer to see & hear you got a visit from the mite fairy . That first pic you posted of a web all over the top/cola of that plant was a painful site to see. After dealing with mites myself anytime I see pics mite damage/infestation it makes me cringe.Hope you get that under control with out too much loss. I know how frustrating the damn things can be, though IME with mites it was hemp/russets and/or broad mites and not spider mites. -OM .
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Quote: Interesting...I need to learn more about microbiology and what is going on within the rhizosphere, from my current understanding I just can't wrap my mind around what the addition of microbes/biology would do to a medium/root system and style of growing that doesn't involve any organic materials. Def curious to see/hear about any differences you notice though after you've worked with the inoculant for a while. Quote: A microbe inoculant with roots in a solution of salty water isn't going to create even a fraction of the diversity of life that is present in live soil/organics. Live soil/organics has a lot of different life forms/microbes and many different complex interactions & synergy going on within the soil biome/rhizosphere, it is an entire eco-system at play. Live soil contains archaea, bacteria, actinomycetes, fungi, algae, protozoa, springtails, mites, nematodes, earthworms, etc etc etc. The magic of live/organic soil comes from the diversity of life/eco system within the soil. The soil is a living thing entirely on its own, it is loaded with life. I feel there are substances/chemicals produced by the metabolism/excrement of the various life forms in soil that provide benefits to a growing plant and they will never be reproduced/achieved by salts/minerals even with the addiction of microbe inoculants. As an example, lactic acid bacteria produce a short-chain fatty-acid known hexanoate. So a soil with lactic acid bacteria present should lead to a soil that is richer in hexanoate. And hexanoate is the precursor to cannabinoids that a cannabis plant usually has to synthesize itself. If the roots are capable of taking up hexanoate (?), then the plant is getting a precursor it needs for cananbinoid production and it didn't need to synthesize that precursor itself (therefor should lead to an increase in potential cannabinoids/terp content, as well as the plant not needing to use as much energy to synthesize its own hexanoate). And that is just one single chemical from one single organism, I imagine things get pretty complex and there are a lot of beneficial chemicals produced by the various life forms in the soil. (I also imagine hexanoate or related chemicals might be able to be utilized in hydro somehow). I feel organics/live soil also has much more of a "buffer" and is easier to work with which is another reason I choose it over salts/synthetics, since it is the biology in the soil and root exudates that are mostly in control of what's going on...Like I've never had to check or adjust the ph or EC/dissolved solids or anything like that, not the soil, not my water, not my teas/ferments. I don't really have to measure much or be precise with anything. I've never had to deal with lock out. I don't have to flush anything. I can leave my plants for several days and not worry about them. Not to go into the whole organic/live soil versus salts/synthetics thing lol....I feel there are pros & cons to each, really depends on all sorts of things why one would choose to grow one way or another. No doubt dank herb can be grown via hydro/salts, no doubt about it...But I do feel there is "magic" happening in live soil/organics that can't be replicated by salts/minerals/synthetics. I'd love to see some actual legit studies/experiments done...growing the same strain in the same environment under the same lights, but some plants in live soil/organics and others grown via purely salts/minerals/synthetics....the -OM . Edited by openmind (09/24/21 01:19 PM)
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: Not in my experience....so far at least. The few bag seed plants I've grown have been totally fuego so far. Last year I grew a plant from a seed I pulled out of some Thin Mint (cookies)...It didn't smell like Thin Mint but had a similar structure, was quite a vigorous and robust plant, and was extremely resinous and had a unique aroma. This year I have plants going from "bag seeds" that I pulled out of Vanilla Frosting, Granimals, and Lemon Wookie Glue...they are all killer looking and smelling, they are some of the best plants I have going right now even compared to the clone-only strains I have going. Great vigor, the buds are totally caked with thick resin, and they have very pleasing aromas (they all have traits much like their mothers/the bud the came out of, their fathers/pollen source is a total mystery though). Which gets me excited because I have more of those same "bag seeds" on hand, as well as many others. I suppose it depends a lot on the genetics the seed came from though...Most of bag seeds I've grown came out of flowers from clone-only strains. I dream of having a place someday where I can grow out many dozens of bag seed plants off the to side of my main grow just to try to find the best ones and clone em'...because I have a lot of "bag seeds" on hand right now, and not enough time/space to grow them all in my life time lol. -OM .
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Quote: lol...I hear ya. I wasn't really thinking in regards to that...yea I can imagine one would have to go through a lot of seeds to find a good one when working with seeds from brick/commercial weed lol. But no...I don't remember brick/commercial weed. I've literally never seen the stuff in person before lol, I've only seen pics online. I live on the west coast and started smoking around 2005-ish, a time & place when and where the market was saturated with high quality flower, so everything I smoked in my early days of smoking was pretty dank stuff lol. I never saw brick weed, or schwag, or even "mids" back then...TBH it wasn't until recent times that I started to see what I'd consider to be "mids"...Everything I crossed paths with in my early days tho was top shelf stuff, extremely loud aromas and flavorful smoke, far better than pretty much anything I see on the street market in my area these days. -OM .
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Quote: Cool!....I'll give that a read a bit later today. Quote: Funny, I've heard the term "christmas bud" a few times over the years from folks on different forums/online communities. Pretty much the same story y'all are talking about. From the sounds of it...considering the time of year, pretty much right after outdoor harvest season when buds are fully dry and cured enough, when I heard these stories of people in other parts of the country (mid west, southern states, east coast) getting a bit better quality herb than they usually get around christmas time I figured that's exactly what it was, that it was some west coast/Cali outdoor making its way across the country. Those prices you talk about in regards to "grammer weed" is what it was like in my area in my early days of smoking (2005 to 2009)...$20 for a "dub", which was supposed to be a gram but usually was like 1.1g to 1.3g. And an 8th would go for $45 to $55. It was some extremely high quality flower though and everything was real deal classic strains (White widow, OG Kush, Silver Haze, GDP, Afgoo, Allen Wrench, Gods Gift, Kali Mist, Sensi Star, Master Kush, Jack Herer, Trainwreck, Urkle, Sour D, etc etc etc...So many great classics were around back then and all unique)....That was the standard price and no one in my area had anything cheaper or of lesser quality, it was all crazy expensive but also very high quality stuff. These days I rarely ever see/smell/taste anything that is on par with the stuff I was seeing back then unless I grow it myself, even then I don't often get on par with the stuff from back then. The few $60 8ths I've seen/smelled in stores in recent years certainly does not come close, and everything I see on the street market in my area over the past few years has been total boof or mediocre at best (some of the worst weed I've ever been sold has happened in recent years, I didn't start seeing shitty weed until the past 4-ish years). Only way to get quality stuff now is to grow your own. Stores have cheap weed for sale, 8ths for $12 to $16 out the door, but it is often very "meh" (occasionally I do find something decent/up to par with my preferences). I remember bowls and joints back in my early days of smoking had so much flavor all the way to the end/roach, they would leave my mouth coated with clean & rich flavor that would persist for a long time even after I was done smoking. I rarely come across herb that has anywhere near as much flavor as the herb did back then. Same with the "loudness" and how pungent/strong the aroma was, the stuff back than stank and reeked so damn strongly. Opening up a 1-gram sack in a car would have the car smelling like a skunk sprayed inside for like 2 days, even after all the windows have been left open and driving for miles. And indoors, there was a time I had 1-gram of some bud that I had wrapped up in multiple bags, in a pill bottle, with the bottle also wrapped up in bags, wrapped up in socks, and placed in my dresser drawer...that little bud, wrapped up in all those layers, still had my entire house reeking like a skunk and very strongly and for several days. It was ridiculous how strong the herb smelled back then, very gassy & skunky. I feel these days people are too hung up on "terps" in regards to aroma/flavor (tho they are obviously part of of the equation), while a lot of the pungent aromatics and flavors are probably coming from other components like thiols and ketones, phenols, esters, & flavonoids. I feel what was around in the early 2000s had some components that aren't as present/pronounced in most of todays herb/varieties. /coffee ramble -OM . Edited by openmind (09/25/21 12:53 PM)
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...seems like a much different game, it'd be nice (and tricky) to be in control of everything. And nice to be able to "pump up" things a bit with supplemental C02 once one has their grow dialed in...Just seems like it costs a pretty big chunk of $ for a proper indoor grow set up, even if small.
. They are all pretty stout plants with mostly strong/rigid branches, but come mid to late flowering once their branches have fat chunky heavy buds on them they are going to be flopping and drooping down everywhere. The Wedding Cake I grew last year got really floppy towards the end of flowering...And I can tell some other plants are going to need a lot of support in about a month lol.
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. That first pic you posted of a web all over the top/cola of that plant was a painful site to see. After dealing with mites myself anytime I see pics mite damage/infestation it makes me cringe.