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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Here's my Mango Smile, Strawberry Mango Crumble, and Creme de la Chem all at 40 days from germination.
I wasn't expecting the MS to fill out the 30gal container completely, and within just a month lol. I wouldn't consider the container to be "maxed out", but the plant is def using a lot of the space it has available. I am glad I opened up & pulled down the lower branches a lil bit. I dig the structure it has, tall central stalk/cola with 8 to 10 or so satellite branches. Here's one of the two Strawberry Mango Crumble I have growing. This one is a bit taller with a more open structure & thinner leaves compared to the other one I have going. Pretty thick stalk, a real "meaty" plant in general. Starting to bud up nicely and first trichomes starting to develop but no distinct aroma yet. Creme de la Chem...The smallest out of the autos I have going but I can tell the buds are likely going to be super chunky. This plant def could have benefited from a topping and/or bending the stalk/branches down & out a bit, but I was curious about seeing how it grew into its natural structure/form. This plant is pretty "thick" too in regards to its stalk & foliage, meaty for sure. It has the most trichome development so far, the edges of some leaves are already getting that "frosted" look, starting to get some mild skunky/spicy/funky garbage notes but nothing too pronounced yet. Today I'm going to start lightly fermenting a bit of kelp, alfalfa, fishbone meal, & feather meal along with a dash of molasses and will be giving that to the soil/plants in a few days, along with a little top dressing of the same. That should bring these autos to their day of harvest, the Mango Smile is the only one that appears to be a little "hungry" at the moment. I have one other auto in the ground at the moment, "Skywalker". It is only about 2 to 3 weeks along. I have some seedlings going now too, grown from seeds that I pulled out of my own buds over the past few years (unknown father/pollen source). Seeds that I pulled from my own Vanilla Frosting, Granimals, Lemon Wookie Glue, Underdog Urkle, South Fork Kush, Tangieland, and Strawberry Banana....As always with "mystery" seeds, I am super duper curious about and really looking forward to seeing what these plants grown into. Two days ago I placed my clones outdoors to start hardening them off and exposing them to the sunshine and extremes of the outdoors in a somewhat gentle manner lol (Ice Cream Cake, Kush Cake, Mac-1), they get direct early morning sunshine until about 10am then shaded/partial sun the rest of the day. Considering how hot & dry it is outdoors (100f, 20% humidity) I am surprised they are handling the transition just fine. Either tomorrow or the following day I will be transplanting the clones to where they will grow up for harvest. It's coming along...I really wish I would have got an early start with some photo-period plants, but I am glad to have things growing and looking forward to having some plants to harvest in the near future with these autos. Quote: ![]() That cracked me up. Hobbit, your plants look lovely! Icon...There's a few points/things I intend on trying to reply back to you about from some of your previous posts, just atm and kinda skimming through the recent posts real quick.Quote: Glad to see more folks finding their way into this thread! I can imagine over the next couple years there will be quite a handful of new growers with all that states that are going "legal" now. Does that pretty lady have a name? Or any a particular smells? lol Quote: Your plants are coming along nicely too Last summer none of my plants got all that colorful. The wedding cake got pretty purple, so dark it was practically black looking near harvest. And there was a lil bit of color fade/change but nothing all that poppin'. Some of my most colorful plants have been Tangieland and Frosted Cherry Cookies a few years ago. It's outdoor so the colors aren't as vibrant as they would have been if indoors, but with the eye they were pretty colorful. Pinks & purples & golds I'm curious if the autos I'm growing will change/fade much near harvest time. I know temperature plays a role in some colors coming out and the plants will be finishing up during damn near the peak of summer. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: They def got a little bigger than I thought they would. Considering how slow they were growing during the first 2 weeks of their life after germination I am surprised they have grown up to what they are now in such a short period of time. I can tell they have slowed down a lot on veg/stretching over the past 7 days. About the thick/rigid stems on autos...I've noticed that too actually , that is def something I've observed and was thinking about. Given how relatively "short" & small and how relatively young the plants are, they do seem to have some pretty thick and meaty and tough stalks/branches. I've only worked with Mephisto so far so I don't know if this is something that's typical of all/most autos.Quote: Right on! I'm actually trying to get my hands on a cut/seedling of "All Gas OG"...A few cannabis stores in my area carry a small selection of clones/seedlings of genetics from Humboldt Seed Co. What sort of nose does your All Gas OG have?...I've heard from quite a few folks that say it tends to be very loud and with a classic "OG" essence (gassy, pine, skunk, earth/kush, rubber, lemon). Quote: Nice selection! I've had interest in growing "Prayer Tower". And old school Silver Haze is a classic favorite of mine. Good stuff man! Lookin' good too! -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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AKA....Sry to see the troubles with that plant lookin' all floppy and sickly
.I've never seen nor heard of a plant going all floppy and sick looking like that so rapidly. Strange. Mitchnast.....Lookin' good dude My autos are coming along....It's crazy how fast the buds are developing, how fast they are stacking up & swelling up & frosting up. Sowed mid May and I already have chunky resinous buds forming and the plants are actually decently sized for only being about 5 to 6 weeks old. I always wondered about autos and "how they do it" so damn quickly, now I see how they do it lol. Still hard to believe my eyes lol. A few days after they germinated I was wondering how the hell is that tiny lil thing going to start flowering in about a month and be finished in about 2.5-ish months. Besides the Creme de la Chem, right now all of my autos are roughly about as big as the clones I grew last year at harvest, in just over a month these autos grew up to be as big as any other plant I've grown in those fabric pots through out a full summer lol. The Mango Smile smells great, starting to get pretty resinous the past two days. Notes of fermented fruit, mango, honey, slight sour note and slight pine & some hazey-ness...but yesterday I realized it is turning into some "Caterpillar Kush" lol. I spotted and plucked like 5 teeny tiny caterpillars off the Mango Smile at sunset yesterday, and two more this morning. I am going to be heading out the door in a bit to pick up a new bottle of BT. I've only spotted the caterpillars on the MS so far, none of my other plants. Could be coincidence, but over the several years that I've grown it seems to me that "sativa" dominant genetics attract more caterpillars. The Creme de la Chem...OOooff...Supa dank ....It is the smallest plant I have going but supa dupa chunky & resinous, it's a killer looking lil thing. The past 48 hours it has started to really kick into gear with the resin/trichome development. I loooove the smell it has, very classic chemmy essence...In general it smells like "tennis balls" but it is pretty complex. I get a clean woody pine/cedar note in there, a black pepper/peppery note, a note that is very similar to the smell of DMT, another that smells like halitosis/bad breathe (also similar to DMT), with some mild incense/floral notes in the background of it all. I love the smell and the overall looks/character of this plant so much I'm starting my last seed of CDLC today lol.The two Strawberry Mango Crumble plants are doing well too...They both look and smell a bit different, two different pheno/chemo types. The one that is more squat/bushy, more classic "indica" looking, is the slowest/last to go into flower development but it's not far behind. It started to flower around the same time as all the others but has been the slowest to make the leap into full on flowering. Just yesterday it started to get some trichomes forming, and oh my it smells great! Reminds me of "red berry" candy, real bright & sweet & juicy smelling, it has an aroma/essence that I haven't smelled before in cannabis (I love new smells lol). The other SMC has the largest buds so far, smells is a bit more on the citrus/fruity/herbal side and not nearly as sweet/juicy as its sister, the smell kinda reminds me of the "Tangieland" I grew a few years ago. Today I started another Creme de la Chem seed, another Mango Smile seed, and my very last seed of Skywalker. I got 5 seeds of the Skywalker, every single one of them has been a runt/stunted and doesn't grow beyond 1 to 4 inches tall, hoping this last one actually grows up (more than anything I've wanted to grow a classic "Kush" or "OG" variety this summer, was really looking forward to the Skywalker)....Last night I was smoking some Vanilla Frosting that I grew last year and found a nice fat ripe seed in it, only the 2nd seed I've found from that plant, that seed is now soaking in water and will be sowed this evening .I have successfully transitioned & hardened off my clones, from indoors @ 75f and 55% humidity to the outdoors @ 95f to 100f+ and 15% to 25% humidity. I had them in a spot where they only received direct sunlight in the morning until about 10am, then shade/filtered sunlight the rest of the day. After 5 days or so I moved them to a spot where they were getting a few hours of direct sun during the morning and evening, then after two days of that they were all transplanted into fabric pots or the ground. So now I have a MAC-1 and an Ice Cream Cake in fabric pots. And in the ground I have another MAC-1, a Kush-Cake, and two Wedding Cakes. My "bag seed" seedlings will be transplanted directly into the ground in less than a week. I'll have handful of plants going, but still really not the selection I wanted and a VERY late start to things. Going into this spring/summer there was a lot of uncertainty about when I will be moving out of here, had I known I'd be able to stick around through out summer I would have done things soooo differently. The only reason I went with mostly autos is because I thought I was going to be out of here by early/mid August and just wanted to get a harvest of something. These autos are looking and smelling great but I much rather have spent that money on some photo-period seeds and plopped those into the ground back in May....Uggghh....there was a handful of killer photoperiod seeds/genetics I wanted to grow this summer. Since I will be moving in the near future this is likely going to be my last outdoor grow, or any sort of grow, for a few years until I find a place to live that will also let me grow the plant...so at this point I'm basically just sprouting a bunch of seeds and trying to get my hands on what ever cuts/clones I get get ahold of for a fair price lol. Found some dude with 4ft tall "teens" of "Wedding Crasher" in my area for $35 (Wedding Cake X Purple Punch), which I feel is a decent deal, but I've already got 3 other cake varieties going and as much as I do love me some cakes I want something different. /ramble ![]() -OM . Edited by openmind (07/03/21 03:03 PM)
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: I live in a pretty hot/dry climate but I'm usually harvesting and drying during the fall months, October & November, so I haven't had to deal with high temps/super low humidity during drying before. But since I am growing autos this time around and will be harvesting em' within a month or so I will be drying in somewhat different conditions than I usually do. Low 70s isn't too bad, but that is about the very warmest temps I'd ever want to dry in....that's around the temperature I'll be working with when drying my autos, around 70f to 74f and humidity around 50% (I hang up and dry everything in my closet). When drying my photos during the fall I'm usually working with slightly cooler & slightly more humidity, around 68f to 73f and 55% to 58% humidity. Someday I hope to be able to create a small room/space where I can dial in the temp/humidity exactly where I want it for drying & curing, down into the 60s is definitely more ideal, 60f to 65f at the most at 50% humidity is where I'd have it if I was able to control it. If there will be a lot of air movement in your drying space, if possible try to keep the air from constantly blowing directly on the branches/buds that are drying,. Some air movement is good when drying, but one doesn't want a stream of air constantly hitting the buds when drying. Not really a major issue though, just having a fan/stream of air blowing directly on the branches/buds isn't ideal, but a bunch of air moving around in the room/space in general isn't bad. Quote: Are you the one that was asking a while back something about how buds grow/develop & how their structure forms? I know someone was asking about that in this thread a while back. If it was you, do you now see how they do it? lol The first time I grew I too was curious to see how the buds actually develop into their overall structure/form, "how they grow up into buds"...I mean I already had an idea of how they develop, but it was just cool to see the process as they stack & swell up more each day, how they start as just a lil cluster of calyx & pistils and stack & swell up into full sized buds. I have some more seeds that germinated today, a few more autos and one photo. I got another Creme de la Chem going, another Mango Smile, a Skywalker that I'm really hoping doesn't turn out to be a runt/stunted like all the other SW seeds I've started, and a seed I pulled out of some Vanilla Frosting that I grew last summer. These will likely be the last seeds that I pop for the season. Getting a lil late, only about a month to go until some photos will start to flip into flowering in my area, but I feel there should still enough time for em' to grow up to potentially be at least quarter pounders. I have quite a lil handful of plants going lol. All on the small side though and since a portion of em' are autos I'm not going to be harvesting them all at the same time (some will be done within a month), if I had got a proper early start with plants in the ground back in May I wouldn't have so many going like I do. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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A lil photo update of my autos.
Strawberry Mango Crumble (front left), Mango Smile (front right), another Strawberry Mango Crumble (back left), and Creme de la Chem (back right). The middle pots can't be seen really, but I have a clone of Mac-1 and a clone of Ice Cream Cake in those. Mango Smile...Starting to really pack on the resin as of the past few days, the buds are lookin' creamy. The resin of this plant is pretty oily/greasy on the fingers. Strawberry Mango Crumble....I feel like this plant might actually finish up in about 7 to 10 days, either way I feel it will be the first auto that I take down. And the other SMC plant I have going will likely be the very last auto I take down. They are both pretty different plants in structure and aroma and flower development. Creme de la Chem....Such a stout and robust lil plant. I think this is my favorite plant that I have going right now, and actually one of my most favorite plants that I've ever grown in general. I love the looks of its aesthetics & character, and I love the aroma it has. With so many cookies and cakes and ice creams and dessert strains out there these days, the intense funky classic chem aroma that this strain has is a nice change lol, smells like a cologne to me lol. It is also an extremely resinous strain, one of the most resinous strains I've grown no doubt, the buds at the very bottom of the plant are just as caked with resin as the tops are. Has a sticky/thick/tacky resin. I started my only other seed of CDLC a few days ago, but something ate the cotyledons as soon as the seed sprouted , really bummed about that. I am really stoked on this strain though!...I am def trying to get my hands on some more seeds of CDLC and looking forward to any auto crosses that have CDLC in em'. I applied some BT last night on all of my plants...hoping that keeps the cats in check. There is a heat wave coming through my area this weekend and into early next week, temps up around 105 to 110. I plan on trying to rig up some sort of shade above the plants, just so they aren't getting totally roasted during the peak of the day. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: I know that translucent look on rolling papers that you're talking about from oily resin lol. Some strains are def more "oily" and greasy, a slick feeling in the fingers more so than tacky/sticky (but still has some sticky-ness to it). I'm looking forward to seeing how this MS turns out. Quote: I guess the way I look at it....The resin is contained within the head of the trichome. A plant can be totally frosted with trichomes but not necessarily very resinous. Really depends on the genetics, as well as environment/lighting etc...The amount of rosin that comes out of a squished bud is a perfect example of how much "resin" a bud/plant has produced. I suppose the same could be said about solvent extracts and the yield depending on how resinous the bud is, but visually speaking I feel squishing a bud and watching the "rosin" come out really conveys how much resin was contained in the heads of the trichomes. I've noticed, and it's something that is spoken about a lot, sometimes a plant can look totally ripe and ready and super caked with trichomes and resin...but sometimes, actually often times really lol, just a few more days and those trichome heads will swell up with a ton of resin, like the last few days there is a spike in resin production (prob depends on the strain too). Not only seeing the trichome heads swell/balloon up in size, but between the fingers (and under the nose) one can feel how much more resin there is. When I grew Thin Mint a couple years ago I harvest two plants about 5 days apart, and the one I harvested 5 days later was gooped up with quite a bit more resin. I suppose that's just an example of a plant being taken down a little early and one being taken down much more in the prime time. The first Thin Mint plant I took down was still good, but the difference in resin was pretty pronounced and made a pretty big difference in the overall quality...I miss that strain, I got a bit burnt out on it by the time I got to the bottom of my jars but enjoyed it a lot. Another way I look at things...I'm growing purely for the production of resin. Of course one wants to grow a healthy plant and of course it takes a healthy plant to produce quality resin, but just a certain way that I frame & look at what I'm doing with the plant is I am trying to produce the best quality resin that I can. It is alllll about the resin lol. I try to be gentle with and mindful about what comes into contact with the buds as they develop and all the way thru harvest & drying & trimming (even tho they are outdoors and exposed to the elements). At the same time though I am obsessed with aromas and have a hard time not tickling a bud and giving it a smell over and over again when ever I am around my plants lol, so there are like one or two buds on a plant that I choose as my "sniffing buds" so I'm not constantly touching the resin and rupturing trichomes across different buds/parts of the plants. /ramble ramble ![]() -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: I hear ya. I'm sure the moisture content and the terps/alcohols/esters/volatile compounds play a big part in making the resin/rosin flow out of a pressed bud. I've heard that when buds are pretty dry, even if they are frosted/caked with trichomes, they don't have nearly as much resin/rosin flowing out of them when pressed. Quote: ![]() I've wondered if other folks do that too. By the way....What strain(s) are you growing? Just curious. I've been watching your grow but I don't recall what you have growing. Quote: The CDLC I have going has a note in its essence that smells like DMT ![]() This note/smell seems to come out in chem varieties. I've smelled it in some GMO before too, seems to be pretty common in GMO actually. And I had some Peanut Butter Breathe live resin a couple months ago (some great quality stuff), it too had a bit of a DMT-like smell to it. Quote: ![]() lol I get it, that's a good one! ![]() Quote: I too think those are aphids of some sort. Too big to be mites, not sure what else they might be. And like piggy and yourself mention...I too feel that plant has a bit too much N going on or something, has a certain look to it that seems just a little "off" to my eyes. In hindsight, I'm pretty sure that's what I had going on with my Wedding Cake last summer...a wee bit too much N during mid to late flowering. I've used a paint brush before to get rid of aphids. Every morning I would use a paint brush to wipe aphids off my plants when the plants were in deep flowering and I didn't want to spray anything on them. After a few days there were barely any aphids on my plants at all, it def did the trick tho was tedious. Something like Dr. Zymes can also be used, I think someone else mentioned in a page or two back...I used Zymes during mid to late flowering last year to help control mites and my flowers/resin didn't seem to be impacted at all. Quote: Kinda both. I was just saying that a good way to see how much "resin" is contained within the heads of trichomes of a bud is pressing a bud and watching the "rosin" come out. To me...Rosin = pure resin. Rosin is essentially nothing but resin isn't it?...Resin that's be squished/pressed out of a bud. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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LW...I forgot to ask...You posted some pics a few days ago, just wondering what you have growing at the moment?
You mentioned you were trimming up some Chemdogging recently...?.... I was a bit of a naysayer at first, just wasn't impressed with the initial growth rate and overall initial vigor...but now that I've seen a bit of what autos are capable of growing into and how quickly they do so, now I feel like I "gotta catch em' all!" lol. There's a few others from Mephisto that I want to try and TONS from other breeders. I just like how quickly one can cycle through different varieties with autos. Tho I am still all about regular photo periods, I will now likely always have some autos going each spring/summer along with my main photo plants. CDLC will likely become a staple of mine as long as I can get my hands on the seeds, or until I can find a photo-period chem variety that has nearly identical traits. Quote: Looks pretty dank! What is the smell like? I've heard mixed things about those humidity packs not being ideal for drying & curing, but once the bud has dried they can help maintain moisture especially in super dry climates. I've heard several folks mention that humidity packs seemed to dull down the aroma of their bud (either when used during drying/curing or even storage in general). A 62% humidity pack was included in a 3.5g jar of weed that I bought once...IIRC, it was on the verge of being too moist for smoking. Quote: I find herb that dries quickly like that tends to have a harsher smoke and not as "clean" of a taste. I'm pretty certain that hay smell comes from chlorophyll breaking down (and perhaps some other components). The way I understand it, the hay smell is a good sign that things are breaking down but one definitely wants airflow/some fresh air exchange so their herb isn't sitting in all those gasses that are released as the herb dries and cures. Best to have some fresh air/oxygen and just enough moisture so the microbes/biology that play a role in breaking down the chlorophyll and things can do what they do. From my understanding, this is why a slow dry/cure is best. It allows time & moisture for chlorophyll and sugars and what not to break down, creating a smoother & more flavorful smoke. I still don't quite have my drying/curing dialed in. I improved a lot last year though and think I'll finally have it figured out and nailed down this time around, I just have to dry a little bit farther and burp/cure the buds in jars a little longer. I hang up entire branches/colas. After 5 to 8 days I trim. Then buds go into jars and I burp em' daily for a bit. Last year I just didn't burp some jars enough, or long enough. The buds seemed plenty dry but apparently retained more moisture deep inside em' than I thought and had more curing/breaking down to do before I could keep the jars sealed. I found this out when I opened some jars for the first time after a few months and they had a ton of gas/pressure release when opened. The buds weren't super moist or anything, not even all that funky of smells came out, but there was enough moisture left in the buds for them to ferment/decompose a bit and build up gas. Only happened to a few jars, but I realized where I goofed up. I need to get me some of those miniature hygrometers that can be placed inside the jars ![]() -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: Why was his entire post deleted though? ![]() He was basically just giving us a heads up about and talking about a line of nutrients/fertilizer. He was adding value/discussion to the thread. If links to a brand/line of fertilizer aren't allowed to be posted on the shroomery then just delete the links, why did his entire post have to be deleted? Are we are not allowed to talk about nutrients/fertilizers on the shroomery? ![]() Quote: I concur with both of those statements lol, 100% .There's a handful of other posts & things I'll try to reply back to later, just skimming through my threads at the moment. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: So we aren't allowed to talk about nutrients & fertilizers or any sort of "product" or "substance" that relates to the cultivation of plants? As an example, are we not allowed to mention the brand or talk about "Miracle Grow"? I don't think there are even any shroomery sponsors that sell cannabis nutrients/fertilizers or products related to the cultivation of cannabis...As far as I know the shroomery sponsors are mostly just spore vendors, mushrooms cultivation supply vendors, ethno-botanical vendors, and one cannabis seed vendor...... ....I don't see how talking about nutrients & fertilizers for cannabis "interferes" with the business of the sponsors here, it doesn't relate to them at all. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: ![]() I've learned to lean on the dry side of things if anything. The first harvests I had I was really trying to dry as slow as possible. Long story short, the buds were relatively dry but some jars I didn't continue to "burp" as long as I should have and kept em' sealed up too long in conditions that were slightly too humid/moist. That totally ruined the potential for a tasty smoke. I had some colas that I left hanging in my dry space for months after everything else was already trimmed and jarred up...combination of them not being the most primo buds and just being lazy with things I kinda forgot about em' . After a few months I finally remembered they were still hanging and I gave them a rough trim and jarred em' up. The stuff was actually pretty alright, wasn't even super crispy dry like I thought it would (humidity inside my house is usually right around 50% though, so not all that dry). Some of the stuff I grew last summer dried/cured into some pretty good smoke. The Wedding Cake in particular has a super silky smooth smoke, even though it is a very resinous and thick/dense smoke it is quite smooth. The Strawberry Banana dried out pretty quickly and turned out with a somewhat harsh smoke and not great flavor, even though it is super resinous and was originally quite terpy. Quote: Totally! That was my exact issue with my first harvest. Not with everything I grew...but some buds I def didn't let dry out as much as I should have and/or didn't burp my jars for as long as I should have. I totally ruined some Tangieland that I grew during my very first grow. In hindsight and looking back at pics of that plant and the buds I really wish I would have got that stuff dried and cured better, it was one of the first plants I ever grew and is still one of the best I ever grew...totally funked up the dry/cure though. It had some extremely dense buds and I didn't realize how much moisture a bud can retain even when the outside of the bud looks perfectly dry. Quote: I'll never trim my buds wet and will never use a machine. All machine trimmed weed that I've seen tends to have trichomes ruptured and knocked off on the outside of the bud, they also tend to "bruise" the flowers too, doesn't look as dank/quality as a hand trimmed bud. I rarely even use scissors, my fingers have done majority of my trimming lol. Fingers are faster for me than scissors are most of the time. I'm not even all that concerned about trimming though...I grow purely for my own personal stash/smoke so I don't need my buds looking totally shaved down. I do trim/remove some leaf from my buds but I don't spend much time trying to get all of the leaf removed. I actually like the look of buds when they have some leaf still intact, they have a better aesthetic and more unique character IMO. Last year I had so much bud to break down/trim/process that I just gave it all a quick rough "once over" with my fingers, then they went directly into jars (my tops/primo buds) or turkey bags (everything else that isn't tops/primo, for hash/edibles). Trimming/processing the plant while it is still alive/wet I feel has more of a negative impact on the end quality of the flowers/smoke. I want to preserve my buds in the state they are in on the plant, so I don't trim them until they are dry and until the material is not longer alive. When the flowers are still wet/alive I feel that plant tissues can be bruised/ruptured easily. I also feel that cutting a plant that is alive/wet will cause traces of chlorophyll & sugars and other plant "juices" leaking out from the cuts made by trimming wet. I just don't want to be cutting up a bud when it is still alive and has "juices" in it. I want to "preserve" the bud first in the state/condition it is when it comes off the plant. I can't really elaborate with language, but trimming dry really feels like the better way to do things to me....This time around I'll try to remember to trim a few colas fresh/wet shortly after they are harvested off the plant and compare them to my typical dry trimmed stuff. I know wet trimming versus dry trimming is definitely one of those classic old topics that's been debated for years lol. I feel that the general consensus, though, is a preference to trimming dry.Quote: It is not possible to "flush" excess nutes/minerals/etc from plant tissue/cells. Running a bunch of water through the soil/medium does absolutely nothing to flush out material from inside the plant. My plants receive basically nothing but water their entire lives, giving em' water doesn't do anything to flush out what's already within the plant. I feel that there are more components besides just chlorophyll that contribute to a harsher/less flavorful smoke. I believe sugars are another component. All sorts of different compounds that are within a "live" plant. There's been a few times over the years that I've had some bud that crackles/pops/sizzles as it burns and it tends to have quite a hot and harsh smoke (never from my own grow, just random weed I've got over the years, and I've only seen it a few times). I've wondered what exactly causes this, there is def a pronounced crackle/pop/sizzle as the herb burns...I've assumed it is the result of a plant being pumped up full of synthetic nutes combined with a poor dry/cure. I feel that plants grown with "synthetics"/salts have more potential for a harsh smoke than "organically" grown stuff...just seems that, from what I understand, plants/roots will easily absorb synthetics/salts even if the plant doesn't need it, so the tissue in the plant can end up with excess easier than a plant grown "organically"...Where with organics, the plant roots/exudates are in control of what the plant absorbs/takes up and tends to only take up what it needs...That's not to say synthetics are always like that, just saying there is more potential for such if a person doesn't have things dialed in properly. I view synthetics like giving a plant a shot or an IV, it's going directly into into the plant tissue regardless if the plant needs it or not so there is a bit more potential for the tissue of the plant to become loaded with excess nutes. I view organics like a table of nutrients that the roots can choose what they want to "eat"/absorb when they need it, they only take up what they need. Anyway...I feel like I'm just rambling away here now and going off on tangents lol. ![]() I will be picking up 2 more plants today, some clones/teens of "Sherblato" (Sherbet X Gelato). Again, I wish I had something more interesting and more diversity and not so many of these "dessert" strains, but I do enjoy both Sherbet and Gelato and I've been wanting to grow either of the two for a while now. Only reason I'm getting them is someone near my part of town has some "teens" available (clones that are already rooted/established), and I'm basically just trying to get my hands on and grab what ever cuts of what ever strains that I can. Pretty certain these will be the last two plants I grab this season....but that's been said before lol. -OM .
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I picked up some cuts of "Sherblato" (Sunset Sherbet X Gelato) yesterday.....
Good sized clones, about 3 feet tall with a pretty thick stalk and multiple branches and a nice root-ball/mass of roots. Only $20 each. Pretty fair price IMO. They are both healthy looking but one of them does look like it just barely started to flower a while back then switched back to re-veg recently. I will be putting those directly into the ground today. The Creme de la Chem I have going is getting close to finishing up, it is at 58 days from sprout today. I feel it has 2 to 3 more days to go. About 80% to 90% of the pistils are brown, the bud growth/new pistils emerging has started to slow down as of the past 4-ish days but the trichomes are getting really swollen & milky. The aroma has changed a bit, a little less of the "tennis balls" smell and a bit more gas/diesel/pepper/woody smells, still super funky, I love it. In general it seems like all of my autos will be finishing up on the quicker side of their estimated time to harvest...Even the Mango Smile will likely be done in about 7 to 10 days (around 65 to 70 days from sprout). I wonder if my hot climate has anything to do with speeding up their growth and bud formation/ripening. Speaking of the warmth...these autos have not been stressed out much by the extreme dry heat we've been getting roasted with this summer. It was up around 105f to 110f with humidity down around 8% to 12% during the day for about 6 days straight and my plants are hit with direct sunlight almost all day long, they continued to stay perked up and reaching for the sun through out the day even in the intense heat/dryness....The Mango Smile was impacted by the heat a lil bit, the tips on a few fan leaves curled inward a bit, but besides that the plants really aren't complaining much at all. I accidently left some seedlings out in the sun the other day. I was placing them in the morning sunlight and totally forgot to move them back into the shade a bit before noon (it was already around 100f before noon that day). The seedlings were only like 2 days old so their root system was virtually non-existent lol...When I went to move them, 2 of the 3 seedlings were completely limp and laying down on their sides on the top of the soil and starting to look "shriveled". I thought they were totally fucked but I quickly brought them indoors, gave the soil a lil squirt of water, and then placed them under a small light. The seedlings started to lift them selves back up and become erect again almost instantly after I gave the soil a little squirt of water, took about 30 minutes for them to stand back up 100%. I feel like I saved those seedlings just in time, barely...I feel like if I got to them just 3 to 5 minutes later they would have been totally roasted and dead, they were already totally limp and starting to look shriveled up when I saw them. They were just baby 2 day old seedlings with only cotyledons sitting in direct summer sunlight around 100f and 10% humidity lol. -OM .
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Quote: I don't think I've lost a seedling yet but last year I lost several clones and it was super duper frustrating since I was on a crazy tight budget and that was going to be my smoke for the year (and I was really looking forward to the strains I had). Even today I was just thinking back on how I wish I had never lost the "Permafrost" (something like Trainwreck X White widow) and the "Mimosa" (Tangie X Purple Punch, or the other way around). I was super looking forward to that Permafrost but I lost both clones I had of it. It was a learning lesson though. Pretty certain I did so because of over watering. I had never worked with clones that were only in rock-wool cubes, I have never touched/worked with rock-wool at all before so I wasn't familiar with how much moisture they can retain and def gave them a bit too much and/or too frequent. The roots were also barely just starting to come out of the cubes so it was a tiny/young root system. Yea for $20 I thought it was a pretty good deal actually. Most of the time I've got "teens" (clones that are established with roots in soil and grown up a bit) they've been around $15 to $25 each and they've been like 1/3rd to 1/2 the size of these things. Indoors or light dep, if one flipped these clones that I got into flowering at the size they are right now I'm pretty sure they'd yield at least 1/3rd of a pound. I've never smelled or smoked or grown this cross before but I've had Sherbet and Gelato and many crosses of such over the years. I'm expecting it to be pretty familiar, something along the lines of cookies/earth with some berries and cream and some tropical hints and likely (hopefully) a lot of loud gas to go along with it all. Sherb isn't too gassy from what I've had, but gelato can have a real loud gassy kick to it along with cookies too. I wish I had something a bit different because as far as photoperiods go I do have a handful of dessert strains going, cakes and cookies and ice-creams...but I am actually really looking forward to this one . They will likely be my biggest yielders too, since they are already the largest photo period plants I have going and they haven't even gone into the ground yet lol.....I am looking forward the the Mac-1 also.And yea that time lapse was cool! ![]() Quote: ![]() Quote: Looking nice man! -OM .
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Quote: I've been wondering the same thing with the Creme de la Chem that I have going. This isn't my first rodeo with growing cannabis but when ever it comes time to harvest, especially with a variety that I am growing for my first time, I am always wondering when the prime time to harvest is. It is damn near done, 90% to 95% of the pistils have turned orange/brown, but the buds keep pushing out new pistils so I've let it keep ripening up. Over the past 3 days I've been keeping an eye on how much the calyx are swelling up and the heads of the trichomes. I don't harvest based off anything in particular or specific like pistils or trichome colors, just when the bud has "that look" to it and has slowed down a lot on swelling/stacking up more...but it does seem like with some genetics some plants really swell up out of no where several days after they already look as if they have slowed down/stopped developing, both the heads of the trichomes ballooning up with resin as well as the calyx's swelling up as if they are knocked up with seed, so there is part of me that always wants to let em' go just a little longer. I will likely take it down tomorrow morning before sunrise, maybe one more day though. As of today it is at 60 days from sprout, so def on the quick side of things. Quote: Nice dude!... Killer looking harvest! What strain(s) are those plants? I don't recall if you mentioned it or not. What sort of aroma/essence do they have? And right on for dry trimming the colas by hand -OM .
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Anyone here have anything to say about plants (clones) that start to transition into flower early then flip back into veg?
Those Sherblato clones I got recently, one of them definitely looks like it started to go into flowering a while back but never quite made it before starting to flip back into veg growth. Just wondering....when this happens do the plants kinda have a phase where they aren't growing/developing much at all for a bit? Seems like this plant has gone on "pause" lol. It is perked up through the day it just doesn't seem to be growing/developing all that much, almost as if it is "confused" or just taking its time to switch back into vegetative growth. Considering there is only about 2 to 4 weeks until most varieties in my area will start to transition into flowering, I am curious to see what this plant does...I am assuming after a week or so it will be back into vegetative growth again, especially once its roots expand out into the ground/soil a bit, but then the days will be short enough to induce flowering just a couple weeks after that. Also...anyone here have anything to say on the topic of transplanting autos? I started a few more auto seeds recently (Mango Smile and Skywalker), but they were started in small pots (about 1/2 quart in size, a little smaller than a solo cup) and I am a little concerned/curious about if the small pot they've been started in or the act of transplanting them is going to make them stunted? It was a combination of not having a full size (30gal) pot available at the moment to start the seeds in directly (the autos I have going RN were started directly in their 30gal pots) and in the moment of sowing the seed I just wasn't thinking about how autos shouldn't be started in small containers. I've read a handful of posts about folks successfully transplanting autos though, just that it needs to be done at the right time and done extra gently...Some folks make it sound like that as soon as the tap root of an auto touches the bottom or side of the pot that the plant will be stunted from that point on, or if the roots are disturbed at all during transplanting it will shock/stunt the plant, but there are folks that have said they've been transplanting autos for years with out issue. Normally when I transplant anything I just turn the pot upside down while holding my hand beneath it to support the soil/plant and gently pull the pot off, a pretty common method and I've never had a plant become "shocked" or stressed or go on "pause" for a bit after transplanting... ...but with these auto seedlings I am going to try to be as gentle as possible. I plan on making four cuts down the sides of the pot in a way that I can split and open it up, then just gently slide/move it into the large pot. These auto seedlings are about a week old, they only have two nodes & their first set of true/finger leaves...So I feel their tap root is likely barely touching the bottom of the pot if at all yet. I am also a bit torn between trying to transplant them ASAP so their roots don't reach the bottom/sides of the pot, or waiting a bit longer so they aren't being transplanted with super young & delicate roots. Quote: I haven't heard of "Hibernate" before. Sounds like it has a classic "purple" smell to it though. I dig me some grape & floral & skunk & chem notes .-OM .
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I took down my Creme de la Chem yesterday at 4am in the morning before sunrise. I have the whole plant hanging up now in my closet. It went 62 days from sprout, pretty quick. I still find it wild that a plant was able to grow up that quickly and produce fully ripe buds that quickly. My first auto is now officially done.
I also successfully transplanted one of those auto seedlings I had in a small pot. Since I harvested my CDLC I now have a 30gal fabric pot available and I placed the auto Skywalker seedling in that pot. The transplant was successful, it has been 24 hours now and the seedling is still perked up and growing, but now I am just waiting to see if the plant is going to be stunted at all. The clones I got last month (Mac-1, Wedding Cake, Ice Cream Cake, & Kush Cake) are starting to really take off now that they have expanded/developed more of a root system and "taken hold", they are all packing on a lot of growth each day and have a glowing/vibrant electric green/blue look to em'. They look really happy & healthy. I will be taking down one of the Strawberry Mango Crumble within a day or two. The Mango Smile likely has about 5 to 7 more days to go. And the other Strawberry Mango Crumble likely has about 7 to 10 more days to go. Quote: I was actually wondering about that too....when a plant does successfully switch back into veg, I was wondering what the growth is like or how it goes about "pushing" out the new growth. The way you described that is basically what I assumed, curious to see what it does & what that looks like. Thanks for the info on that, as well as you other folks that commented on/shared their experience with plants re-vegging. Also thanks to you fellas that commented on transplanting autos. Good looking plants by the way QM33! Those things are going to be chunky. -OM .
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RIP Frenchy
![]() ![]() ![]() I just found out this morning that Frenchy Cannoli passed a couple days ago . I was pretty caught off guard and a bit shocked at the news considering he wasn't all that old and it was so unexpected, sounds like it was due to some complications during a surgery procedure.I always enjoyed his vibe/character and his thick French accent lol, and the wisdom he shared about the plant & resin and hash making. Dude is an OG in the culture/scene/community of cannabis. -OM .
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Question about the growth of roots.
Do cannabis plants continue to expand their roots through out their entire life, through their different phases of growth? Or does most root development/expansion occur during vegetative growth? Reason I ask...The sherblato clones I got have a relatively small root system compared to the overall size of the plant. I put them into the ground about a week ago, I am just wondering how much effort/energy a plant will put into developing/expanding roots when it is about to transition into flowering and through out flowering in general. Do plant roots still grow/expand through out flowering? More than anything I want those plants to drop some roots into the ground even if they don't grow up much larger in size, having a proper/well established root system is so crucial for quality flowers/resin (and plant health in general, obviously) A random rambling update.... I will be taking down one of my Strawberry Mango Crumble tomorrow morning before sunrise. As of this morning my Mango Smile looks like it is damn near done, I'm going to give it at least another day or two. It is starting to get a bit of a "chemical" smell (like glue & acetone) to it that I really like, I find those chemical-like notes seem to make other fruity notes "pop" more. Once I harvest those two plants their pots will be available again so I plan on starting another SMC and another MS lol. One of the Sherblato clones I have looks like it has decided to go back into flowering instead of switching back into veg, the other one appears to be going back into vegetative growth. All of my other clones are looking great, lush electric green and packing on a lot of growth each day. My Creme de la Chem should be try enough to start trimming within 3 days or so....I have one lil nug I pulled off the plant to dry quicker that I will probably smoke in a bit here. The flowers on this plant look so damn good. I can tell this plant would be excellent for hash. Quote: Damn...that's the worst. ![]() Such a bummer, sorry to hear man. Assuming you knocked up those plants specifically for seed production/breeding something new? Quote: Quote: That's hard to say. So the plants are wilting even though there is moisture in the soil? How hot is it? I've never had a plant start to wilt just because of heat alone, even when it is 105 to 110 out (tho the tips of leaves can curl a bit and/or the edges of the leaves fold up like a taco). Plants can survive being a bit wilty, I've seen plants that are pretty much limp/flopped over stand back up after being watered....but there is a fine line there when they no longer have moisture available for transpiration, once that happens it doesn't take long for em' to die. If the soil remains moist then they could likely go a couple days though. I dunno...it is very difficult to say since I am not at all familiar with the soil/substrate that you are working with or your climate or your plants. It is possible tho. Sounds like your plants drink a lot and/or your substrate doesn't have the capacity to hold a lot of moisture. In my area it is pretty much 95f to 105f with humidity around 20% or lower every day and my plants are in fabric pots which breathe a lot, and I water my plants only every other day at the most. Last month my plants went 4 days with out water while I was out on a camping trip, tho I was a little concerned during that last day they were looking fine when I got back. -OM .
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Quote: Quote: That should do. I would think . Many times the plant has shown me it's more hardy & resilient than I think it is. ....buuut, then again.....lol I took a couple rips of a little bud of the creme de la chem that I cut off to dry quicker/separately from the whole plant. Def still a bit moist but dry enough to smoke. The bud/flesh was still pretty "tough" and difficult to break/tear apart, also sticky as fuck lol. It has such a great smell though (still some grassy/hay from being relatively fresh still). Now that it has dried a little and started to change a bit it has some certain notes in the aroma that I absolutely love. They are some of my favorite notes in cannabis that I rarely come across these days and that I've never had in any of my own home grown....Difficult for me to describe but it totally reminds me of a gentleman's cologne. Kinda woody and incense-like, super complex tho, so many different notes/textures that make up the essence. I had some "WiFi" (White Fire OG) a few years ago that had a similar essence to this stuff. I am stoked on this flower already and I've only smoked a tiny piece of a semi-dry bud from the very bottom of the plant lol. It is the kind of flower that makes me want to keep looking at it and looking at it under a scope and smelling it over & over again and smoking more & more of it just because it's sooo good. I'm def trying to grow more chem varieties. I've always been a fan of such but I this bud reminds me how much I absolutely love the traits of chem genetics/strains.....OOoof. Pretty sure this Creme de la chem has now taken the throne as not only the best bud that I've grown so far, but also my favorite. -OM .
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Quote: Personally I wouldn't mess with synthetic PGRs. I don't know a ton about them but I've heard things about some of them being pretty toxic and detrimental to the health of humans/animals, as well as the over all quality of the herb being not nearly as great when they are pumped up full of PGRs (denser/larger buds doesn't necessarily = better quality). In general I view bud that's been pumped full of PGRs as total garbage and unnecessary...like fake tits on a chick, or like a weight lifter that is pumped full of steroids. Just totally un-natural and disgusting and unnecessary to me, and it is more of an aesthetic/weight thing rather than actually increasing the quality of the flower/resin. These are some of the popular/common PGRs>>>> ![]() If one wants to give their plants a bit of a boost in "hormones"...sprouted seed teas can do the trick, sprouted seeds are packed with natural plant hormones (auxins, cytokinins, gibberellins). Also, alfalfa contains a lot of triacontanol which stimulates/enhances the growth of plants. "Triacontanol is a powerful growth stimulant, effecting basic metabolic processes such as photosynthesis, enzyme activity, nutrient uptake CO2 assimilation and much more. In the correct doses Triacontanol significantly increases the amount of chlorophyll in leaves, improving the rate of photosynthesis. Similarly in root systems cell growth is enhanced creating stronger root networks allowing for greater nutrient uptake. Due to its up-regulating qualities many studies have shown the application of triaconantonl as a foliar feed, increased yields dramatically compared to control groups." Alfalfa is a staple of mine, it is always added to my soil early in the season and I top dress with it a few times through out the year and also do some fermented teas with it. Chitosan is another natural substance that is shown to stimulant/enhance the growth of plants, it comes from the exoskeletons of crustaceans/insects...Targeting a plants cells plasma membrane and nucleus, chitosan regulates gene expression and other cellular processes that has been found to increase photosynthesis, enhance plant growth, and stimulate nutrient uptake....I've heard a lot of good things about chitin/chitosan, it is something I've been meaning to work with. The only time I hear about people using synthetic PGRs is when they are growing for profit and want to increase their harvest/weight and when quality isn't as important. I've never heard of home growers or small boutique growers using them. Quote: Good tip! That's what I do when making canna infused coconut oil, but I've never thought about doing that in regards to iso-oil. Seems like an easy way to collect the oil. -OM .
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atm and kinda skimming through the recent posts real quick.
, that is def something I've observed and was thinking about. Given how relatively "short" & small and how relatively young the plants are, they do seem to have some pretty thick and meaty and tough stalks/branches. I've only worked with Mephisto so far so I don't know if this is something that's typical of all/most autos.
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....It is the smallest plant I have going but supa dupa chunky & resinous, it's a killer looking lil thing. The past 48 hours it has started to really kick into gear with the resin/trichome development. I loooove the smell it has, very classic chemmy essence...In general it smells like "tennis balls" but it is pretty complex. I get a clean woody pine/cedar note in there, a black pepper/peppery note, a note that is very similar to the smell of DMT, another that smells like halitosis/bad breathe (also similar to DMT), with some mild incense/floral notes in the background of it all. I love the smell and the overall looks/character of this plant so much I'm starting my last seed of CDLC today lol.
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, really bummed about that. I am really stoked on this strain though!...I am def trying to get my hands on some more seeds of CDLC and looking forward to any auto crosses that have CDLC in em'. 





. I was pretty caught off guard and a bit shocked at the news considering he wasn't all that old and it was so unexpected, sounds like it was due to some complications during a surgery procedure.
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