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Ran-D



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Sorry. Solicitation is common on here, so when someome starts mentioning brand names in their first few posts its usually a red flag.
I'm not at all opposed to mixing your own soil. I generally don't use liquid nutes anymore though. And honestly my only problem right now is keeping my plants below the fence line, and we still have a full month of veg left.
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merch137
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
#25305242 - 07/02/18 07:44 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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How tall they are says nothing of quality.
Thats like saying im having trouble with my seedling (whose etoliated) staying under 1 ft while youre struggling with 3 inches.
This guy could make a good point
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and dry additives wont be readily available to ur babies to well after the first season has ended and most the time the nutrients will be embalanced so wont produce optimum growth rates
Your plants on the lighter side it looks like my plants that get fed only nitrogen from rainwater. Which should even be enough to get decent enough veg results to brag about growth/size.
-------------------- Those that know their mushrooms say...[...] Amanita. [quote]sublimistri said: id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote] [quote]sublimistri said: this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]
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Ran-D



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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
#25305278 - 07/02/18 08:09 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Theres not a single yellow leaf in my garden right now. If my plants were any darker it would be nitrogen overload. Theyre so healthy the pests don't even waste their time.
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merch137
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
#25305333 - 07/02/18 08:38 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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They're definitely on the lime green side of things which i havent seen in a long time, unless on plants im not feeding outdoors.
These are picked off the same plants, two sets of leaves from two different mother plants I havent been taking much care of nor have nutes for, found some nitrogen deficient leaves and compared them to healthy leaves.

If I didnt give optimal nitrogen and kinda deprived it a bit I could balance her out to a nice lime green color. All strains of marijuana I've grown for the past many years have been staying darker greens. Even those darks are light from not really being fed.
The succulents behind them are completely yellow in your pic. https://files.shroomery.org/files/18-26/029272512-20180629_100728.jpg
Edited by merch137 (07/02/18 08:48 PM)
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openmind
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
#25305567 - 07/02/18 11:40 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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My plants are showing signs of what I suspect if N deficiency. (as a reminder, this is my very first time growing the plant)
A few of the lower leafs are turning yellow/blotchy (similar to what's going on in the pic in the above post^, but a few of the leafs are in even worse shape). The tops of the plants still appear relatively healthy and there's been a noticeable increase in growth over the past 10 days or so, but their overall color/tone isn't quite as "lush" & vibrant as it was.
Up until today they've been in the 1-gallon pots I got them in for over a month (I'm guessing they're about 18 to 20 inches tall, tall enough that one of them has fallen over from just a breeze). I've fed them some tea (Dr. Earth 5-5-2) 3 times over the past 3 weeks or so that I've had them. And up until today they've been receiving unfiltered municipal water (I now have a filter that reduces chlorine + other crap, same one Ran-D posted a little back in this thread)...if anything I think I may have slightly over watered them at a few points, but I've always let the top of the soil dry out a bit.
As of today the plants are in 20 gallon fabric pots with Roots-brand "original" soil, and have received some filtered water. I can imagine the roots are going to be waaaay cooler and have way more room to breathe, and of course now room to grow, compared to being cramped in the hot black plastic pots they've been in (It's mostly been around 93 to 103 as of the past few weeks and they receive direct sun most of the day)...they weren't bound all that bad but were def starting to move around the outside of the pot a bit.
So to fix this N deficiency (what I assume it is) and get some lush green & hearty color through out my plants again....Should I wait to see how they respond to being in the new pots (cooler, fresh new soil, more room to breathe & grow), along with filtered water, along with some doses of fertilizer tea...?...
...or should I get something like fox farm "grow big" to help the situation..?...Which if I understand correctly the N in liquid ferts like these is more readily "available" to the plants...?...
Or will the fertilizer tea I've been making (pre-blended dry mix... Feather Meal, Fish Bone Meal, Kelp Meal, Alfalfa Meal, Potassium Sulfate, Micronutrient-rich Seaweed Extract, mycorrhizae/probiotics, + earthworm castings & molasses) be enough to get the plants bounced back & more green again somewhat quickly? (along with their new pots & soil)
I feel that their new & bigger pots with new soil and cleaner water is going to help the situation quite a bit...I'm assuming they'll bounce back considering those variables, I just don't know how long it takes for cannabis to respond to such things and wondering about giving them the nitrogen+whatever they need to be over all lush again.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: openmind]
#25305572 - 07/02/18 11:52 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those mothers went in and out of flowering are revegging and not getting watered or fed properly, so drying out until they sag and lose leafs as I dont have the energy for them. The brown spots on the leaf could be from drying out, theyve been somewhat abandoned. They are clearly lacking in nitrogen if you look at the plant some parts are faded green even to yellow, some showing nitrogen def version of interveinal chlorosis from either only water or no water for about a month with maybe a gallon water of flowering ferts split to 20 gallons of coco to four plants once every two and a half weeks... these are signs of being deficient in nitrogen.
You're so far off on another path of growing that I don't even want to really help you without telling you to change almost absolutely everything you know about growing.
I haven't used any kind of soil since 2007ish as it was severely outperformed by peat moss, which was outperformed by many other things.
Rootboundedness will make the plants leaves droop and can cause all kinds of unforeseen problems.
-------------------- Those that know their mushrooms say...[...] Amanita. [quote]sublimistri said: id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote] [quote]sublimistri said: this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]
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El Torcho
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
#25305808 - 07/03/18 05:01 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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openmind said: I feel that their new & bigger pots with new soil and cleaner water is going to help the situation quite a bit...I'm assuming they'll bounce back considering those variables, I just don't know how long it takes for cannabis to respond to such things and wondering about giving them the nitrogen whatever they need to be over all lush again.
This.
And I hope you aren't pH adjusting your water.
I used to grow a particular strain that would yellow as soon as the roots hit the bottom of a plastic container. Fabric pots eliminated this.
Fresh Comfrey tea/syrup is the best additive to regreen your plants.
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merch137
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: El Torcho]
#25305871 - 07/03/18 06:07 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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This thimbleberry is going down into some clay/soil, and living off mostly rainwater.

With a little bit more nitrogen given to them the entire plant would look almost like the middle leaf, which is around where those outdoor plants look about to be at.
Ph if not proper/stable could also be causing nitrogen problems and the plant to not reach its color. Rainwater can also leech/dilute a more concentrated soil.
I've had almost no weed of many strains even look green, they all get so dark they look almost blue when healthy, im mostly looking under leds. Right now they look green and yellow mostly, and its the unhealthy parts that even look green.
I wouldnt even bother with soil unless putting it in the ground directly to be lazy with the plant. If I were going to take care of the plant outdoors I'd do some kind of dwc or something. Liquid nute feeding soil compared to hydro is two different ballfields (how many gallons to water a large 15 gallon pot?). Soil just has way too much bullshit you cannot control and keep optimal at all times, especially outdoors.
Growth outside is also complete shit until the plant has overgrown your indoor setup. Smaller plants transplanted outside underperform in comparison until they get very large. The only reason i would grow outside is for quantity, as I highly doubt it can match quality using the same methods.
But I don't see HPS touching the current top leds, and if you disagree with that you may need to grow against my leds, of which I just blew the majority of them storing thermal foam ontop of the tent blocking and destroying the fan. Then once we agree on this maybe we can talk about hydro and indoors vs outdoors.
i've got a lot of mixed feelings for outdoors growing, its easy to be biased indoors, I seem to be able to get better looking plants indoors but they seem to be able to grow to fullsize outdoors easier.
-------------------- Those that know their mushrooms say...[...] Amanita. [quote]sublimistri said: id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote] [quote]sublimistri said: this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]
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Ran-D



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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
#25305941 - 07/03/18 07:14 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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merch137 said: They're definitely on the lime green side of things which i havent seen in a long time, unless on plants im not feeding outdoors.
These are picked off the same plants, two sets of leaves from two different mother plants I havent been taking much care of nor have nutes for, found some nitrogen deficient leaves and compared them to healthy leaves.

If I didnt give optimal nitrogen and kinda deprived it a bit I could balance her out to a nice lime green color. All strains of marijuana I've grown for the past many years have been staying darker greens. Even those darks are light from not really being fed.
The succulents behind them are completely yellow in your pic. https://files.shroomery.org/files/18-26/029272512-20180629_100728.jpg
No, theyre not. Take what you want from that picture my plants are not lime green. If your plants are darker than that you are feeding too much nitrogen.
Yes the jade is yellow. Jade plants dont like full sun when its 110 degrees out. Its also close to 10 years old. Not sure why that is relevant to cannabis in any way.
Also, that "healthy" leaf in your photo is definitely not any darker than my plants.
Edited by Ran-D (07/03/18 07:16 AM)
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Ran-D



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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
#25305946 - 07/03/18 07:18 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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What healthy leaves actually look like. Only thing you see here is slight heat stress.
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merch137
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
#25305950 - 07/03/18 07:24 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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It looks a bit darker than my first glance, however I still suspect even the healthiest of leaf to look about like this
-------------------- Those that know their mushrooms say...[...] Amanita. [quote]sublimistri said: id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote] [quote]sublimistri said: this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137] 1
#25305954 - 07/03/18 07:28 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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merch137 said: This thimbleberry is going down into some clay/soil, and living off mostly rainwater.

With a little bit more nitrogen given to them the entire plant would look almost like the middle leaf, which is around where those outdoor plants look about to be at.
Ph if not proper/stable could also be causing nitrogen problems and the plant to not reach its color. Rainwater can also leech/dilute a more concentrated soil.
I've had almost no weed of many strains even look green, they all get so dark they look almost blue when healthy, im mostly looking under leds. Right now they look green and yellow mostly, and its the unhealthy parts that even look green.
I wouldnt even bother with soil unless putting it in the ground directly to be lazy with the plant. If I were going to take care of the plant outdoors I'd do some kind of dwc or something. Liquid nute feeding soil compared to hydro is two different ballfields (how many gallons to water a large 15 gallon pot?). Soil just has way too much bullshit you cannot control and keep optimal at all times, especially outdoors.
Growth outside is also complete shit until the plant has overgrown your indoor setup. Smaller plants transplanted outside underperform in comparison until they get very large. The only reason i would grow outside is for quantity, as I highly doubt it can match quality using the same methods.
But I don't see HPS touching the current top leds, and if you disagree with that you may need to grow against my leds, of which I just blew the majority of them storing thermal foam ontop of the tent blocking and destroying the fan. Then once we agree on this maybe we can talk about hydro and indoors vs outdoors.
i've got a lot of mixed feelings for outdoors growing, its easy to be biased indoors, I seem to be able to get better looking plants indoors but they seem to be able to grow to fullsize outdoors easier.
So much misinformation 
I personally never have pH problems. Good soil acts as a buffer. Its pretty easy to keep it optimal too, not sure what "bullshit" you're talking about.
Outdoor is not only for quantity. Its also for people who like their plants to reach their full potential. Plants under the sun have a more complete terpene profile, thats a fact.
One more time, nitrogen overdose IS REAL.
And lets address these incomplete liquid butes people are recommending. These bottles that read "12-0-0" or "0-12-4" or whatever are the ones causing deficiencies. Micronutrients aside, only feeding nitrogen during veg is one of the biggest mistakes of the weed game. Plants need ALL nutrients at ALL parts of growth.
I still dont have a single yellow leaf and I wont all season. People who have plants losing leaves and changing colors during flower are the ones with deficiencies.
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merch137
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
#25305958 - 07/03/18 07:32 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wasnt going to argue with you and give you a little slack despite knowing youre far behind.
1. I reccomend a complete nutrient that is for hydroponics to be complete without the need of micro nutes, ph buffers, or even calmag. This works well for anything that doesnt provide nutes liek water including soilless mixtures and even shitty soils like youre using with some shitty organic ferts mixed in for way less than optimal results like you try to say outside is going to produce.
Part of the bullshit I am talking about is rain being able to wash away nutes and make your plant look nitrogen deficient in a night, again giving you the benefit of the doubt and being nice towards you not trying to make you look bad, as if its something that is common.
Three, nitrogen overdose is real, but if you keep the plants underfed and feed them properly they will never show signs of being underfed or over fed, and this type of balance is achieved by proper hydroponics as with soil you will be doing a balancing act of the plant is yellowing so now its telling me its starting to need nitrogen, if you dont want to overfeed.
Ph of soils can change the ph even if you buffered it. Unstable PH leads to not being optimal.
I've done entire grows without losing leafs. And this optimal growth is much more optimal in my setup I'll guarantee you this. You cannot control or clean your soil like hydroponics. Nor can you give the roots what seems to be unlimited space with no space.
-------------------- Those that know their mushrooms say...[...] Amanita. [quote]sublimistri said: id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote] [quote]sublimistri said: this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]
Edited by merch137 (07/03/18 07:47 AM)
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Ran-D



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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
#25305975 - 07/03/18 07:49 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm way behind? But you believe that a little rain water will wash away all the nitrogen? ok dude.
Go read some of Jeff Lowenfels books and maybe you will understand soil a little better.
"After I learned the reason why my [chemical] fertilizers weren't effective in the proper way, I was like a person that recieved a new life." - Justus von Liebig
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merch137
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
#25305976 - 07/03/18 07:50 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: I'm way behind? But you believe that a little rain water will wash away all the nitrogen? ok dude.
Go read some of Jeff Lowenfels books and maybe you will understand soil a little better.
"After I learned the reason why my [chemical] fertilizers weren't effective in the proper way, I was like a person that recieved a new life." - Justus von Liebig
I strongly believe you were just trying to say these were over nitrogened?
-------------------- Those that know their mushrooms say...[...] Amanita. [quote]sublimistri said: id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote] [quote]sublimistri said: this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
#25305988 - 07/03/18 08:01 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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you can use pee for nitrogen
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merch137
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
#25305999 - 07/03/18 08:13 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Rain has flushed my outdoors potted plants many many times.
Sounds like you never seen or done a flush and what it does to a plant either.
You can't really do that too well though since your ferts are in your soil so your customers are stuck with not only inferior bud but shit that almost for surely gives them a headache.
-------------------- Those that know their mushrooms say...[...] Amanita. [quote]sublimistri said: id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote] [quote]sublimistri said: this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137] 1
#25306003 - 07/03/18 08:14 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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merch137 said: shitty soils like youre using with some shitty organic ferts mixed in
Shitty soil and shitty ferts are the best.
Cow shit. Horse shit. Worm shit. . .
You fail even with your pedantic insults.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: El Torcho]
#25306004 - 07/03/18 08:15 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you think those are best your best is almost trash. Some people expect different quality in results.
-------------------- Those that know their mushrooms say...[...] Amanita. [quote]sublimistri said: id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote] [quote]sublimistri said: this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]
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El Torcho
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: merch137]
#25306007 - 07/03/18 08:15 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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merch137 said: Rain has flushed my outdoors potted plants many many times.
Sounds like you never seen or done a flush and what it does to a plant either.
You can't really do that too well though since your ferts are in your soil so your customers are stuck with not only inferior bud but shit that almost for surely gives them a headache.
Bahahahahahahhahahahaha.
I almost choked on my red bull.
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