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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27336360 - 06/05/21 01:48 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

My plants are starting to come along a bit better, they were super slow to start but now with some warmer days (and assuming roots developed/set down) some of them are growing at a decent rate and looking healthy/lush (they're now coming up on 3 weeks from sprout). I might get pics up sometime in the next week or two lol (but that's been said many times before, I still haven't posted any pics from my plants last year lol).

These autos seem to tolerate, actually love, the heat. It was 100+ degrees with humidity down around 15% to 20% this past week (up around 106 two of the days) and the plants were still tracking the sun/had their leaves turned at an angle so they're directly facing the sun & soaking up as much energy as possible through out the day.

Over the years the plants I've grown tolerate the heat pretty well, even thrive in it...but I've never seen plants track the sun all day long during super hot days like these autos have, and they're still pretty tiny plants with small root systems.


This morning when I was giving the plants a look over I saw that something got into the pot that has the Creme de la Chem seedling, looks like something dug around the base of and sat on the seedling :mad2: :mad2: :nonono: . This is one I'm really looking forward to and one that just started to take off the past few days so that gave me a frustrating/pissed off start to the day. The plant is still alive tho and even tho it was "smashed" down a bit and disturbed, it was still perked up and angled to the sun. I'm assuming it was a neighborhood cat that was trying to dig around in the pot. I'm thinking about making cardboard "covers" to place across tops of the pots at night, just enough to block cats/critters from getting into them while the plants are still small & vulnerable.

I've never had problems like this in years prior at all (seedlings getting eaten the day they germinate and neighborhood animals digging around in the pots).


It's looking a little more likely that I might be able to grow some full term photo period plants this summer tho! If so I'm getting a super late start on things (I usually like to start in April), but there's still two months of veg time available and that's enough to grow some decent sized plants. Still not sure, but enough of a chance that I'm going to start digging some holes and laying down compost/mulch over the spots to get the soil a bit more charged up & alive (also something I would have starting doing back in March/April).





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Not sure but I see Marijuana and that makes me want to share

Neville's Haze day 80, 30 or so to go.



Peanut butter muffin outdoor








That Neville's looks wild! I still have never seen/smelled/smoked the stuff before. In my early days of smoking it was a strain I always wanted to try lol, I was super into hazes/sativas in my early days of smoking.

I've noticed my interest over the past year or so starting to lean back towards haze/sativa stuff.

The "Mango Smile" I'm growing will be some of the most hazey/sativa stuff I've grown. Even tho it has some ruderalis in its genetics, from what I've heard from a few folks is this plant seems to basically be a sativa that just flowers automatically. Still said to have the qualities/traits of a sativa smoke.

That PBM looks killer too!...Did you do a light dep grow with it? Or why is it already that deep into flowering in June?





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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27337553 - 06/06/21 01:19 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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here's some reasons for throwing some auto's in a growspace: I can let em rip on 18/6, have em fill up the growspace with 3  in full flowering, then have about 3 on the side still somewhat smaller (started later) to keep it filled as the buds leave the room, and a bunch of other regular photo's yet on another side in smaller sized pots, vegging out at a little slower pace cause it's a bit cramped in there....

...Finding someone who dislikes the Mango Smile I'm smoking on right now should be considered a chore, man if you only knew how sticky n smelly and absolutely lovely tasting and hard hitting this bud is....





Since I've never grown indoor, that's something I never really thought about actually.

If one has only one grow space, with autos you can have the lights set at a certain amount of hours and just constantly cycle plants in & out of the grow space with out ever having to change the light schedule/cycle. New plants can be started/placed in the grow space at any time.

Where with photos, when one is either vegging or flowering with a certain amount of hours of light, new plants can't necessarily be started or placed into the grow space at any time (if the light schedule is set for flowering).

Some autos do seem to take damn near as long as photos indoors tho. I've heard some taking 100+ days.


I probably already asked you, but how did that Mango Smile turn out as far as aroma/flavor and the character of the high? Especially now that it has likely cured up a bit more since being harvested. Does it actually have more of a "sativa"-like character to the high?





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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27337910 - 06/06/21 06:11 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I've had the parent strain (mango haze by mr nice) from the Bulldog before (the oldest amsterdam coffeeshop in existence) and the mango smile out of my own growspace is better, has more flavor, it's really a lot louder, and it packs a bigger punch too, also by quite a bit, this stuff is so damn sticky it's hard to roll one with it. It doesn't take to forming in shape well because of being too sticky. I run UVR8 lamps though so that does change the stickiness game a bit, pushing it upward a lot.. But in general I think when mephisto puts their hands on a strain, it becomes a louder, stickier autoflower version strain for it...

In terms of effects, it leans a bit more to the hybrid than the original, but not by much at all. As I have said before, it's effect is best described by turning it's name into a pun: Man, go smile!






Right on!

I do recall you mentioning some of that before, thanks for the run down! Good to know! I too read the name as "Man, go smile" shortly after seeing the name for the first time lol.

I'm looking forward to seeing how it turns out and the others. In general I'm really curious about this whole auto flowering thing and seeing how they do. A while back I mentioned they were really slow and not vigorous, but they've all taken off at this point besides the Skywalker and the 3BOGXSamsquanch (which are both the "OG" varieties I was really looking forward too). I've started one more of those two the past few days.

So far the Mango smile is my best looking, most vigorous, and largest plant out of everything else I popped. I feel today it has switched gears and is really starting to take off, I gave all the pots/soil a light feeding of fish emulsion & molasses last night.




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Does anyone know why this looks really yellow in the center of the tops?


Can't tell the sex yet, looks male maybe









That does look pretty crazy. Some sort of deficiency, but I've never seen that one before.

I can't tell the sex of that plant either in that pic, at first I thought it looked like it might have a little pistil coming out but it does kinda look like a dude. Still a bit early to confirm.

In general they all look good though!

I think you mentioned it already, but do you know what "strains" those are? Or were you saying it was just some seed you had saved?

Cool to have you in here & growing some weed this summer T-rex!





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The other 2 look OK and are in the same dirt





The plant with the deficiency might have a bit different of an "appetite" compared to the others, and/or it could be more sensitive to the ph of the soil.

I dunno tho :shrug: .





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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: Icon]
    #27339173 - 06/07/21 04:38 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Duuude I'm so pissed! I think Greenpoint is sinking fast.

1. They don't even list stats for the strains anymore, it's all subjective marketing jargon.
2. Stardawg is "discontinued" so they lost their male goat.
3. No regular seeds anymore, all feminized and soon auto.
4. Gu~ isn't involved anymore, a bunch of hired hands do the work.

Everything that made them unique has gone to shit. Just more pollen chucking.





Waaack.

I was interested in trying out some stuff from GP a while back.

Bummer



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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
    #27343068 - 06/10/21 12:43 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

My Mango Smile is starting to show its sex/some pre-flowers at a few nodes as of the past couple days. Only on a few nodes on the main stalk towards the top of the plant.

I'm curious about the "timeline" of autos...So about how long until the plant starts to stretch and transition into full on flowering?

Once pre-flowers start to show does the plant continue to "veg" for a while or should I expect it to switch into flowering rapidly soon here?

I'm really curious to see how these things grow and develop. I just can't wrap my mind around how a plant can veg & stretch & develop fully ripe buds as fast as these autos are claimed too lol. I guess I'll be finding out soon.

Once autos start to flower and develop/stack buds, I assume they do so at a pace that is tremendously more rapid than regular photo period plants?





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Been making a lot of incorrect assumptions about my tap water in Portland.  I got really really spoiled on well water up in the mountains, so I decided to do more research into Portland tap water.  I already knew it had the dreaded chloramine in the water, but I didn't know the PH.  After a bit of google magic it turns out the official city water PH is 8.2, which is being raised to 8.5 in 2022.  JFC!  Glad I have an air stone and air pump, going to be needing to do 10-20 gallon batches of worm poo tea to help neutralize that water.

To be clear, aeration does not reduce the amount of chloramine in the water, it does not dissipate quickly like chlorine.  I'm relying on the organic matter to neutralize the chloramine and help bring the PH down.  It's worked in the past.





I've still never checked the ph of anything over the past several years that I've grown, not once lol.

I have thought about getting a meter or something just to get an idea of where my water & soil is at...but I've never seen any issues that points towards my ph being off, so :shrug: . Being a live/organic soil grower, it seems that things kinda balance out on their own. I am curious about it tho.

What do you use for checking ph?...Any suggestions for a cheap ph meter/tool?





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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: A.k.a]
    #27343166 - 06/10/21 01:50 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I've been noticing this trend as of late...

All these questions about how plants are gonna grow...

HAVE SOME PATIENCE! :oldman2:





I know...

...but this is my first time ever growing an auto-flowering variety. Just trying to get an idea of their timeline and stages of growth.


When growing photos I already knew about when they would go through their different stages of growth. I knew they would continue to veg through out summer and in early August they will start to stretch and transition into flowering. It was nice to know ahead of time the different stages they're going to go through and being able to plan and work with the plants accordingly (feeding the soil/plants different things at different times, toppings, pruning, training/bending).

Knowing when the photo period plants are going to transition into flowering I had a plan in place for when I will stop training/bending/topping the plants (late July), for when to make sure I have a nice trellis/support built up around the plant, and for when I will top dress the soil with more -PK (first week of August) and stop giving the plants any N (early to mid September), etc etc etc.

Autos are a totally new thing to me, I'm not familiar with how/when they transition through their different stages or how rapidly they do so.





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I’ve only had the cheese cbd auto but both mine showed a couple pistils on day 20 and then really took off around day 30 and seem to have just stopped getting taller now at day 42.





I know the specific amount of days will vary from strain to strain, but that's more or less what I was wondering about.

I'm just past 3 weeks from sprout as of today.





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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: openmind] * 2
    #27343180 - 06/10/21 02:02 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Also...

Don't know if I'll be able to finish them (I should, not positive tho), but I've said "fuck it" and I will be growing some photo period plants this summer :smirk: . I just can't watch summer pass by with out growing some "proper" full term/full size plants.


I'm going to pick up some cuts/clones this weekend...

Mac-1, Kush-Cake, and Ice Cream Cake.


I'm also going to pop some "bag seeds" that I pulled out of some of my herb from last summer and the year before, unknown father/pollen source...Seeds I pulled out of Granimals, Vanilla Frosting, and Tangieland (and maybe a few others). The "bag seed" I grew last summer turned out pretty dank and unique.

Getting a much later start than I'd like to (April is when I usually pop seeds), but still plenty of time to grow some medium-ish size plants.




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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
    #27345534 - 06/12/21 12:45 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Do you guys think that photoperiod cannabis will go extinct? 







Absolutely not.  Autos are great for the home market, but the consistency that photo cuts provide in an industrial indoor environment make for better business.  Not to mention the incredibly giant plants that people can grow outdoors in one season.





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Yea I too don't think it will ever happen. Piggy mentioned the same things that come to my mind as well about the topic.

A while back I did briefly have the line of thought about autos becoming the dominant type of cannabis that is grown in the future...but nah, definitely not going to happen.

Photos will remain the main type of cannabis that's grown for the reasons piggy mentioned.

I totally do expect to see autos becoming WAY more popular in the next few years though and many more strains/varieties available in "auto" form...It is already happening. Since I've become interested in autos over the past 6-ish months or so I've become more aware of and noticing a lot more breeders are starting to work on developing autos, some of which have been in the "game" for a while ("Mosca" and "Twenty20 Mendo" are two that come to mind).



This is one reason why photos will never become extinct lol, one can't grow tress like this in their backyard with autos lol>>>>








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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: A.k.a]
    #27345590 - 06/12/21 01:45 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Is that last pic Humboldt Local?

That guy was growing 14 Lb leviathans for a while.





Not sure...Just a random pic from a google search, but I know I've seen pics or articles or video of that dude with huge plants before, no doubt.





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That’s gotta be crazy to harvest. You know you did good when you need a heavy duty chainsaw.



Do they train plants outside or do they naturally grow into huge balls when they get that size??





I had some big plants last summer (tho not nearly as hefty as that one in the 2nd pic) and each plant took me about two nights each to harvest entirely, so 4 nights total lol (I always harvest super late at night/early morning before sunrise). And one basically has to crawl up inside the plant or use a ladder to do any pruning/maintenance/work on it while it is growing lol. It was my first time growing big ones and they def take way more time to work on compared to those grown in lil 30 gal fabric pots lol.

I know one grower that grows big trees like that and they don't top their plants at all and only do some very mild "bending" if at all (depending on the strains structure), and the plants tend to naturally grow into a "ball" shape like that with a trellis/structure around them for support.

When I had some big plants last year (more comparable to the plants in the first pic)....One of them I topped a bunch and did LST/bending of the branches to keep it from getting too tall since I'm growing in my back yard, it turned out with mostly a flat canopy about 6ft tall with dozens of tops/colas instead of having the round/globe shape. I feel the thing would have been a giant and easily 8ft+ tall if I didn't keep topping and bending all the branches down.

This year I plan on letting most of my plants grow into their natural shape. I do clear out their insides though, during pre to early flowering I remove damn near all bud sites that develop inside the plant/along the first few nodes of the branches leading from the main stalk. All fan leaves are left intact though.




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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: LizardWizard] * 2
    #27347907 - 06/14/21 12:36 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

My Mangosmile is looking good.

I can't tell if it is starting to stretch or if it finally just has a really nice root system but it has sped up its growth rate a lot over the past week or so. It's growing pretty rapidly, I don't think it is stretching quite yet though.

Some of the others I have going are looking pretty good too.

I gave the soil/plants their first proper "feed" of the season yesterday...Alfalfa, kelp, fishbone meal, and some molasses mixed up in 3 gal of water and let to "lightly" ferment for a few days. The plants are lovin' it today.

Great weather the past few days with daytime temps in the upper 80s & lower 90s....but it is going to be up around 105f to 110f+ here between Wednesday and Sunday.



I picked up some clones this weekend...

Mac-1, Ice Cream Cake, Kush-Cake, and Wedding Cake

Dude tossed in 2 cuts of the wedding cake for free, so I guess I'll be growing WC once again lol .

In general I wasn't planning on growing 3 different cake varieties, but that's what the dude had on hand and I was basically just trying to get what ever I could get my hands on :shrug: . I love me some cake, WC and most cake varieties have a very medicinal effect for me (very mellow & calming, and great for anxiety and mood-lift, lifts my spirits up but also mellows me out with out making me stoned/burnt out, makes my body feel real good too)...but with that said, I have become a bit "burnt out" on the aroma/flavor of classic wedding cake since I grew it last summer and have been smoking so much of it since November (The "kush-cake" and "Ice cream cake" will be a nice break/change from the classic original WC tho).

I'm just about set, at this point I'll have about 10 photo period plants going this summer depending how many ladies I get out of the bag seeds I'm germinating.

I really want to grow an "OG" variety tho, something with that classic OG-funk of pine & gas & lemon & wood & rubber & kush/earth....and just something more interesting/unique compared to the cakes/dessert strains that everyone grows these days. Though the MAC-1 is a bit different and has a somewhat unique aroma & high compared to a lot of the other popular strains of today.

I don't think I'll ever be content with the varieties I have growing lol, there's always "one more" that I want to grow lol....and another, and another, annnd another lol.






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openmind, never seen cannabis plants that big before.
Those things are massive.





:yesnod:

Cannabis can grow quite large when it is started early in the season, grown with unlimited root space/in the ground, grown in a warm climate with lots of sunshine, and obviously lots of nutrition and care.

The larger plant in those pics I posted previously is definitely a bit larger than the usual, but the other big plants growing in that backyard are pretty typical "big" full-term outdoor plants (when started early in the season and grown with a lot of root space).







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.....I for one wouldn't fancy climbing in a tree twice my height to trim her inside bush. Though on the other hand, it's probably nice n shady in there and it smells lovely. Gets real sticky after a while too though.





:yesnod:










Def gets sticky...one plant I grew last summer had stalks/stems/branches that were rather sticky themselves and it wouldn't take long for one's hands to be gummed up, even before it started to flower.

But more than anything it is itchy!...Super itchy....after doing anything up inside the plant my arms and chest/stomach are so damn itchy after.

Taking care of big plants can be quite a task compared to smaller ones, takes a lot more resources too (obviously), but one is also harvesting at least a few pounds from just one plant. (on the flipside though, if one encounters a severe "issue" of sorts that causes them to lose "one" plant, they're losing several pounds).






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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #27350747 - 06/16/21 01:26 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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There are a list of ways to help them learn more towards female. I forget what, but I know who sent it so I'll get a list of things and post it.





I'm sorry hobbit, this is false.  Plant sex is predetermined by chromosomes.  That seed is male, female, or intersex before it pops.





I was going to mention the same, there is no way to make a seed lean more towards one sex or another.




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A genetically pure female will only produce male flowers when influenced by humans with chemicals, and because that plant was female the only chromosomes produced are X chromosomes.




Does this mean the vast majority of strains/cuts out there these days are not actually "pure female"?

Because it seems like most strains around these days have no problem pushing out nanners and pollinating themselves when stressed or when in the deep stages of flowering, so is a plant that pushes out nanners technically an "intersexed" plant?

But I always thought that pollen coming from a nanner wouldn't have any Y chromosome involved since the plant is technically "female"....?....I wouldn't consider a plant that pushes out nanner to be a "hermi" because there are no actual pollen-sacks developing at the nodes, just a random nanner poking out of the flower here & there.

This topic came up a while back, probably a few times over the years of this thread.

Genetics and punnet squares are something that makes my head spin lol...I have always wondered what's going on with "female" plants that push out a random nanner and pollinate themselves. Shouldn't those seeds be feminized since there are no Y chromosomes involves? Or are plants that push out nanners not considered "pure female"?




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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #27350873 - 06/16/21 02:47 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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that is correct, those plants are intersex.  Hermi pollen will produce more hermis, which includes y chromosomes.

A pure bred female plant will not throw nanners outside of chemical intervention.  When they are forced to produce "male" flowers through chemical intervention they will only produce X chromosomes and the offspring (seed) will be female.





So the pollen coming from nanners do in fact contain Y chromosomes?

I grew a few plants from "bag seeds" that I pulled out of my own buds last year, assuming the seeds came about from the plants pollinating themselves because I have no idea where else the pollen could have come from (no hemp farms in my area as far as I know). The plants weren't loaded with seeds, just a random seed found here & there when smoking through a few ounces.

Apparently the trait/tendency to push out nanners wasn't very pronounced in em' because those seeds grew into dank ladies (only a few seeds found in their flowers, maybe 1 seed per 3 to 4 ounces of bud at the most).

I still haven't spotted any male pollen sack or a nanner on any of my plants over the years, but the pollen has to be coming from somewhere and I can only assume the plants are pushing out nanners and knocking themselves up. (almost all of my plants over the years end up with at least a few seeds in their buds)


I'm growing several "bag seeds" this year, from seeds that I've pulled out of my own home grown over the years....I'm using seeds I pulled out of Vanilla Frosting, Granimals, Tangieland, South Fork Kush, and Underdog Urkle.


So a true "pure" female is actually kinda rare these days? Because it seems like many of the popular varieties around these days will push out nanners when stressed and/or when in deep flowering.

"Wedding Cake" for example...since you found that one bag seed in some Wedding Cake before, and since my WC last summer ended up with maybe 4 to 5 seeds from the 4 to 5 ounces it produced, so then Wedding Cake is technically a hermi and not a female plant?

And the same can be said about most clones/varieties around these days?





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While we're at it, the vast majority of strains out there are not strains.  Strains are true breeding and have been stabilized over generations by breeders selecting for traits.  Most of what is out there now is just pure pollen chucking, and most clones are from F1 crosses made for shits and giggles, or from accident.

The real blue dream is just a clone from one original plant, for example.  It was not bred to be blue dream, it was a one in a million lucky shot from a cross that someone made intentionally or by accident.  So blue dream is just an individual plant and not a strain.

Super silver haze, and DJ shorts blueberry are true breeding strains that blue dream was supposedly the offspring of.





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I hear ya.

"Strain" is used pretty loosely these days, I'm just so used to using that term to refer to a certain variety...

...perhaps "variety" is the better term to be used :shrug: . (even then, I feel that term refers to a specific lineage )


It seems like the autos I've been looking at from various breeders over the past several months are much more like "true strains" that have been worked/breed over multiple generations compared to all of the hyped/popular clones around these days that just come from pollen chucking and/or by accident/etc.





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    #27351081 - 06/16/21 05:30 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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....An intersex plant will throw pollen from a male flower that contains chromosome sets for male, female, and intersex plants, but that intersex is always in the background somewhere waiting to spring.  The offspring can do anything.

A true breeding male and female will produce true breeding male and female offspring.

So a true breeding female plant will not produce nanners under stress.  When we spray them with colloidal silver or gibberellic acid it manipulates the plants on a hormonal level to produce male flowers.  The pollen from those forced male flowers will only contain the chromosomes present in that true female, XX.  There are no Y chromosomes hidden anywhere in the pollen.

Does that make sense?





Totally!

The bold & italics part cleared some things up and def brought more understanding of this whole topic for me.

Thanks for the breakdown of it. I kinda already knew some of that, but reading that made more of a connection/understanding of it all.





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....The quality was better because everything ran on reputation and not legalized corporate bullshit that's produced as rapidly as possible.....Legalization ruined everything about the cannabis trade, but I still voted for it because I'm tired of seeing black kids go to prison for 20 years for a fucking joint.  Literally holding people hostage to legalize a plant who's proceeds go directly to the crooked cops.

We had to sue in Oregon to get them to start using cannabis proceeds for the schools like they claimed they were going to, the state was hoarding the money/giving it to cops.





I hear you 100%.

I too have seen how the trade has been fucked since things went legal for many various reasons. Though there is a lot more to it, in particular I've seen the overall quality of herb drop a lot over the years. The best weed I ever smoked was back in my "early" days of smoking, around 2005 to 2010, after like 2015-ish the overall quality seemed to drop and especially so over the past 3 years. I mean dank can still be found and I do enjoy some of the new "varieties" that are around these days, but high quality herb is not as common/widespread as it used to be, almost everything is like "mids" to me these days lol. It might look dank at times but it just lacks the super rich aroma and flavor that I remember from the herb during my early days of smoking (OGK, GDP, Purple Urkle, Head band, Sour D, Silver Haze, Jack Herer, Cali-O, Romulan, Kali Mist, Sensi Star, Master Kush, Afgoo, etc etc).

I too voted for the same reasons, mostly. Just hoping that things work out over time, but :shrug: .

I didn't hear that about Oregon with the proceeds going into the cops fund, that's fucked. I know in some states that have gone "legal"/rec, in the writing of it all a big chunk of the tax $ is supposed to go to law enforcement :nonono: .





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    #27352318 - 06/17/21 12:53 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

My autos are definitely starting to become engaged in flower development as of today. Basically right at/around a month since they germinated.

Still no distinct buds forming/calyx stacking, but every node has some calyx/pistils starting to "cluster" up....Within a week I'd expect to see baby buds forming and trichome production to start up.

So interesting to see the plants go through all these stages so rapidly (it's my first time growing autos), I finally kinda "see what's going on" with them and how they do what they do lol.

I took my first whiff/smell of the plants yesterday even tho they don't have any buds/trichomes yet, just stuck my nose near the top of the stalk and gave the stalk a little scratch/rub....The Mangosmile smells delicious! Very skunky & "hazey" with a distinct mango/fruitiness and some pine.

It is going to be 108 today.



I don't know if it is an "auto" thing or just a "mephisto" thing...but after germinating my bag seeds (photo-period), it is crazy how much more vigor and how much more rapidly these photo-period seeds grow compared to the auto-seeds I got from mephisto. Within 3 to 4 days they are already farther along and much larger and more developed than any auto/mephisto seed was at 7 days.

Do auto-seeds tend to sprout as teeny tiny seedlings and grow way slower compared to photos? Is this a trait/aspect of all auto flowering genetics, or is it more likely to do with the quality/genetics of Mephisto?

After like 7 to 10 days my autos started to grow/develop, but that first week or so they were extremely slow and super tiny when they came out of the seed, it almost looked like they weren't growing at all the first several days after they sprouted. Every single photo-period seed I've germinated comes out of the seed as a larger seedling and immediately starts reaching upward and growing at a pace that is easily 3x the rate of the autos I grew this year.

My autos definitely packed on a lot of growth and grew at a decent rate over the past 14 days, but they were sooooo damn slow their first 7 to 14 days.





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    #27352531 - 06/17/21 04:02 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't know if it is an "auto" thing or just a "mephisto" thing...but after germinating my bag seeds (photo-period), it is crazy how much more vigor and how much more rapidly these photo-period seeds grow compared to the auto-seeds I got from mephisto. Within 3 to 4 days they are already farther along and much larger and more developed than any auto/mephisto seed was at 7 days.

Do auto-seeds tend to sprout as teeny tiny seedlings and grow way slower compared to photos? Is this a trait/aspect of all auto flowering genetics, or is it more likely to do with the quality/genetics of Mephisto?

After like 7 to 10 days my autos started to grow/develop, but that first week or so they were extremely slow and super tiny when they came out of the seed, it almost looked like they weren't growing at all the first several days after they sprouted. Every single photo-period seed I've germinated comes out of the seed as a larger seedling and immediately starts reaching upward and growing at a pace that is easily 3x the rate of the autos I grew this year.

My autos definitely packed on a lot of growth and grew at a decent rate over the past 14 days, but they were sooooo damn slow their first 7 to 14 days.






lots to consider in that.  Your bagseeds could just be a very vigorous F1 cross, whereas the mephisto beans have been through a lot of breeding and selecting to get where they are.

What soil are you growing the autos in?  Does it contain any nutes?  Autos are extremely sensitive to nutes when vegging and prefer a very lightly amended soil.  When I use very basic mixes they do much better in vege. 

What light schedule are they on?


Just wait, you're going to blink and all of a sudden they will be close to being done :lol:





This is in comparison to all photos I've grown from seed over the years...all of them have been far more vigorous & faster growing, they also initially come larger out of the seed with larger cotyledons...The photo seeds I just started to pop over the past few days were just a reminder of how fast they grow.


Perhaps it might have something to do with the soil :shrug: . I just placed the seed directly in the 30gal pots where they were to be grown, I didn't want to bother with transplanting autos but I know it can be done. It is a somewhat "rich" soil I suppose but still has a lot of coco & perlite in it. I've been using the same soil for years now and no photos I've grown from seed have had issues with it, but I do recall you and at least one other head mention how autos are known to be sensitive with nutes...if that may be the issue, in the future I'll place a good hand full of something lighter/mostly plain coco around the area they sprout.

The soil started out as "Roots Original" 4-ish years ago (Perlite, Coco Fiber, Peat Moss, Composted Forest Material, Pumice, Worm Castings, Bat Guano, Soybean Meal, Alfalfa Meal, Fishbone Meal, Kelp Meal, and Greensand.), but it's overall composition & structure has changed a bit over the years. I also mixed up/expanded the soil a year or two ago with some "Roots 707" mix which is similar.

Over the years I've mostly top dressed with things like alfalfa/kelp/fish bone meal/compost/castings and mulched with nettle & grass clippings from around the yard, given it some LAB teas here & there, some aloe, that's about the gist of that...During the winter it sits, I give it a thick layer of mulch and let wild grasses/nettles/"weeds" grow in it.

Earlier this spring I added some straight coco & perlite to fluff it up & increase drainage it a bit more.

The autos were started directly outdoors under the sun just like I've done with all my photos-period seeds over the years...I think it was around 14-ish hours of day length when they first popped (1 month ago).

The photo seedlings I just started to get going are receiving more light and warmth compared to when the autos first started a month ago so that is playing somewhat of a role in their growth rate...but I usually start photo seeds 1 month earlier (early/mid April) than I started my autos this year, and even those grow faster than the autos did.


They are chuggin' along now though, no doubt, two of them really packed on a lot of growth over the past 7 to 10 days...at least the ones that made it lol. About 4 of them were super runts, still only about 1 inch tall at 1 month old lol. I'm letting them go just to see what they do until my photo plants take their spot in the pot.


These pics are from a couple days ago, they have grown quite a bit more over the past 48 hours. I still need to get pics up from my plants last summer :facepalm: lol. For size reference, those are 30gal fabric pots that they're in. I'm actually surprised the Mango Smile has already damn near filled out the diameter of the pot with its foliage. Crazy seeing how much it's grown in just a couple days lol, it seemed to practically triple in size in about a week.









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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #27353513 - 06/18/21 11:48 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Got my electric bill today, fml. Anyone wanna guess?

14k BTU A/C running almost 24/7, another 8k A/C in the drying room.
70 pint dehuey running continuously.
About 1000w of lighting continuously between tents.
6" inline, 4" inline, two 100w circulation fans, two box fans, CO2 controller, irrigation pump.
I live on the bill too so maybe $50 for personal use.

$380

This CO2 build better pay off. Would be much cheaper to vent.






With everything you have going around the clock I was expecting it to be more than that.

So around or a bit over $300 a month to power your entire grow?...Yea I suppose that is a chunk of $, especially over the course of a grow. Costing around $1000 per grow in just electricity alone :crazy:  (assuming it takes 3 to 4 months for a plant to finish indoors)

You do have a nice set up though!

I've never grown indoors, I often forget how the cost of such can add up quickly.




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i never have done more than 5gal pot. i always wanted to try a big one.
big pot = big plant





If you grow indoors I feel 5gal is plenty, or having some sort of "bed" would be a nice way to go if you have the room for it.

I can see how with most autos one doesn't really need a pot this large (30 gal)...but after just one month from sprout my Mango Smile has already become as wide as the 30 gallon pot that it is in and it is still packing on the growth, so some autos can certainly benefit from and make use of all that soil/root space.

Even outdoors 5gal can do the job...but yea, bigger the pot = bigger the plant = more pot for me :stoned: .

Outdoors, I don't want to grow in anything smaller than 20 gallons and even 20gal feels kinda tiny to me. I live in a hot/dry climate so any extra soil/root space definitely helps keep the plants and their roots happy. Plus, if I'm going to be spending several months of my time/energy I'd rather the plants grow as large as possible.

In a warm climate outdoors though, these plants will make use of as much root space as you give em' and keep expanding their roots outward...it's wild how fast and big they grow when they are in the ground with no restriction. It was around this time last year that I was looking at my plants in the ground and thinking to myself, "uht oh...these are going to be way bigger than I anticipated/planned for!" lol.





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    #27355149 - 06/19/21 12:26 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I feel you man.

The other day it was 116 with 3% rh.





Damn...Are you in Arizona? :lol:

There aren't too many places that get that far past 110 and with humidity that low.

That is sooo dry lol.



It got up to 111f here yesterday, humidity down around 8% to 12%...during the peak of the day a few of the leaves on my Mango Smile started to curl a little bit, which is something none of my plants have ever done before in previous years in the heat (but yesterday was one of the hottest days we've had in a while)...other than that though, through out most of the day all of my plants were perked up with their leaves praying and still tracking and reaching for the sun, even at or well past 105f.

Both of the Strawberry Mango Crumble plants I have going didn't seemed bothered by the heat at all.

The Creme de la Chem was showing a little bit of stress, leaves were curling/folding up just a tiny bit....but over all it was still perked up and not having all that bad of a time.

It's going to be around 108 today...Looks like a nice cool down into the lower 90s next week, but then another heat wave by next weekend :nonono: .

I'm trying to think how I am going to transition and harden off my clones from indoors (76f and 50% humidity), to outdoors (100f+ and 10% to 20% humidity) :crazy: . They should be rooted and ready to go outside in about a week.




I was planning on letting all of my autos grow into their natural shape/form with out any topping/bending/training, I really wanted to see what their natural structure looked like...but today I decided to "open up" and bend down some of the branches on the Mango Smile. Nothing dramatic, just simply pulling down/opening up the lower branches a bit.

The Mango Smile naturally has a pretty open structure with large spacing between nodes, real nice structure actually! (I love plants that have big gaps/spacing between nodes, "Thin Mint" had a similar structure)...but I could tell that the branches were starting to grow more upward and that the plant would def benefit from pulling down & opening up those lower branches a bit.




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    #27356402 - 06/20/21 12:10 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

My Mango Smile is really packing on the growth....At just about 5 weeks from sprout, it is already as big as some of my clone plants have been at harvest the past few years lol. It is already bigger than any of the clones I grew last summer. Nothing like the vigor of a seed-grown plant.

I feel it is already looking like it will be at least a 1/4lb plant, I've never weighed my harvest tho so I'm not great at estimating such (if anything I'm likely estimating on the conservative side lol).

Smells amazing too....A classic mix of "Sweet/hazy/skunky/pine/fruity", and no trichomes are even developing yet.

The Mango Smile seems to be the closest to full on flowering out of the 4 autos I have going, it has clumps of pistils at every node...Kinda interesting to see the plant still growing/stretching and not full on flowering while showing so many pistils, compared to the photos I've grown which seem to leap into flowering and slow down on their veg-growth rate pretty rapidly as soon as pistils start to develop. Seems like with these autos there is more "overlap" between the veg & flowering stages, that is something I always wondered about before growing em'.

The Creme de la Chem is the 2nd farthest along, 2nd closest to full on flower developement. Def has pistils clustering at the nodes.

The two "Strawberry Mango Crumble" plants I have going are just now barely starting to show pistils at the nodes...Two different phenos. One is smaller and much more squat/bushy and with fatter leaves and shorter internodes (closer to "Strawberry Nuggets"), the other is a bit taller and has larger gaps between the nodes and somewhat thinner leaves (closer to "Mango Smile").

I'm just assuming that strain is a cross between Strawberry Nuggets & Mango Smile, not sure which is the mother & father though...It was a freebie, no information on the strain out there.





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....707 is a mix made more for people who like to dial in liquid nute schedules, as far as I can tell.  Roots recently came out with a new mix called Lush, and it's fucking amazing.  Ain't cheap by any means, but it's made with the highest quality ingredients and can basically carry some strains through flower.  I use it as a base mix in soil building, but it absolutely has the power to be a stand alone.



See that big bad wedding cake in the back left corner?  I plunked an extra plant into half a bag of lush mix with the sides rolled down and holes cut in the bottom in july.....





Great looking plants!

I'm familiar with "Lush" from Roots, I was planning on getting some last year but my local shop that carries Roots brand stuff didn't have it in.








Happy Solstice y'all! :sun: :shineon: :sun:  :happyweed:





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    #27364085 - 06/26/21 12:06 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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.... If you blindtested a 15% thc sativa that is equally ripe as a 15% thc indica, my theory is one wouldn't feel like more of an "up" high than the other. IMO that has way more to do with tolerance and dosage, and then entourage ratios, and then genetics. THC is THC. I bet sativas being energetic was just a myth tied to them being less mature and less potent than indica and hybrid varieties.






What are the most pure "sativas" you have grown or smoked?

I feel there is absolutely a distinct/unique uplifting/heady buzz to some "sativa" genetics. True/pure sativas are pretty uncommon & rare though.

With that said I am not one that feels all "sativas" are going to be uplifting in nature...I also do not feel that all indicas are relaxing/sedating in nature. I feel such differences in effects don't necessarily line up with/relate directly to "Sativa' and "indica" genetics.

Basically what I'm trying to say is...I absolutely do feel some genetics/strains have an affect that is more uplifting/heady/energizing, and others have an affect that is more mellow/relaxing/sedating...but that those characteristics do not always relate directly to "indica" or "sativa" .

With that said...true heady psychedelic/uplifting sativas are pretty rare, unlikely to come across such unless one grows it themselves.


THC is THC...but "sativas" also tend to contain a lot of THCV and that cannabinoid is pretty rare to unheard of in indicas. THCV is a little different in effect compared to THC.

Also THCP (Tetrahydrocannabiphorol) was only just recently discovered, and THCP is tremendously more potent than THC is.

CDBP was also just recently discovered (cannabidiphorol)

And there are dozens of other cannabinoids we already know about that definitely all play a role in developing and modulating the effects of cannabis.

Cannabis is not THC, it is a combination of hundreds upon hundreds of different compounds (cannabinoids, terpenes, thiols, sugars, alcohols, etc) that are all interacting with each other and the biology of one's body.

Have you ever dabbed/vaped pure-isolated THCa by itself?...It isn't quite the same as smoking a flower with all of the other components in the mix.



Out of the strains I grew last year (Capstone, Vanilla Frosting, Lemon Wookie Glue, Wedding Cake, Strawberr Banana, Granimals)...."Capstone" definitely has an uplifting and clear headed "awake" high to it. When I smoke it in the morning it wakes me up nicely just like a cup of coffee and gets me talkative/chatty which is something I rarely am in the early part of the day, and it also doesn't have any "burn out" to it as the high fades...If I smoked something like the Granimals or Wedding Cake in the morning like I do with the Capstone, I'd be worthless for the rest of the day and would likely end up falling right back to sleep and be stuck in a thick haze/fog for most of the day.

For me, some strains really do have an uplifting/bright/clear high to them.




I also feel that things like thiols are playing a huge role, possibly a bigger role than terpenes, in modulating the effects of cannabinoids.

I feel in the next few years we are going to learn a lot more about the thiols  and other "not so well known/understood" compounds in cannabis and how much of a role they play in the effects of cannabis.

There is soooo much more going on than just THC.






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    #27364129 - 06/26/21 12:50 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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....Physical traits are pretty well covered. It's more the chemotype or active side I'm talking about. Things like esters, ketones, thiols, new terpenes, etc....I wouldn't be surprised if small amounts of alkaloids or indoles might even be found in some phenotypes...as well as new cannabinoids and acids. I'm not at all alone in thinking some of that either. Some well respected extractors are really curious about some of the things being taken out of distillates and what could be in there.






I made my previous post before seeing this post of yours...

...but I absolutely agree and share the same sentiment in regards to that :yesnod: . Same thing I was thinking.

"We" did just recently discover two new cannabinoids, THCP and CBDP...AND THCP has been found to be tremendously more potent than THC.


It seems like we've been "stuck" in viewing the activity that cannabis has as only being caused by cannabinoids, and terpenes possibly modulation the effects.

But I feel there is A LOT more going on with the esters & ketones & thiols and how all of these different types of compounds interact with each other in the body...I feel they play a huge role in not only the aroma & flavor but also modulating the effects of cannabinoids.

I also feel those components play a possibly bigger role in aroma/flavor than the terps do....Perhaps that is why much of the varieties around today don't have nearly as much rich flavor as most of the weed did back 10 to 20 years ago. Some varieties around today smell amazing and very "loud", but they don't have a ton of flavor and the flavor doesn't translate into the flavor of the smoke.

I remember back in my early days of smoking, a joint would have super rich flavor all the way to the end of the roach. And the herb was extremely sticky and resinous and gooey...These days I rarely come across herb with super rich flavor that lasts all the way to the end of a joint, and sticky/resinous/greasy weed isn't nearly as common...Curing & drying & storage has something to do with that, no doubt, but I really do feel that esters & ketones & thiols play a big factor in how aromatic and tasty the herb is as well as contributing to/modulating the effects of the cannabinoids.

As far as I know...there hasn't been much research or studies in regards to those "other" components in cannabis and what they contribute.





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