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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27266068 - 03/23/21 01:03 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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RIP.





Damn....sry to see & hear that man :nonono: .


Have you tried predatory mites?

For an indoor setting/grow, I feel predator mites would work out great.

I don't have any experience with them myself but I've heard of people using predatory mites on outdoor plants and they seem to have great success. I feel that predator mites would be even more effective in an indoor grow space than on outdoor plants exposed to the elements.


I dunno...growing indoors is something I have no experience with at all. But I feel like if one has totally sterilized their grow space/room and "bombed" it with various treatments/chemicals/sulfur/heat etc etc then the mites should have been wiped out for the most part? I just find it crazy that you're still dealing with this issue after several months and all sorts of various treatments (I feel for you man :sadyes: ). I was able to get the upper hand and win the battle against mites on 6ft tall & 6ft wide plants outdoors where there is constantly new mites being blown in the wind into my yard and onto my plants and the environment is entirely "out of my control".

If you sterilize everything and go for a short period of time with out having any plants growing then shouldn't that wipe out the population of hemp mites within your grow space/home?....If there are no cannabis plants growing in your space/house then how are any of the remaining mites going to survive in your grow space/room/house? Since I believe the cannabis plant (and maybe hops?) are the specific host/plant that hemp/russets live off of, then if one goes for a short period of time with no plants growing them wouldn't their population essentially "die off"?

It's crazy that after all the different treatments you've done that these mites are still some how remaining with prolific/high populations in your grow space.





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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: A.k.a] * 2
    #27280416 - 04/24/21 01:03 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I've got some seeds on the way. I plan on growing nothing but autos (outdoors) this year since I will likely be moving before the summer is over I don't have the time to finish photo-period plants.


I'll be growing...

Mango Smile ("Mango Haze" from Mr. Nice is the mother in the cross)

Creme de la Chem ("Stardawg illuminati cut" is the mother in the cross)

Skywalker ("Skywalker Kush" from DNA genetics is the mother in the cross)


Some will be in 30 gal fabric pots in organic/live soil, and others will be planted directly in the ground.





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Bit of a retrospective post here. Did the chop on the two taller girls last week

.....That's it for now, Shroom season is underway. I look forward to starting another grow come spring and sharing it all here once again.
:rockon:





Beautiful plants Nicko!....That Purple Bud in particular is a gorgeous plant/strain.

I too always look forward to the mushroom season after harvesting my cannabis. I thoroughly enjoy the cycles of the seasons and what each season brings!

I'm on the flip side "up here"...I will be starting my cannabis plants very soon and I will have some cups of poppy tea to drink soon too :wink: (pods should start ripening up in the next several weeks).





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It’s supposed to get down to 30° tonight. Can I leave my plants outside?




I left them outside and they’re fine





I'm a bit surprised TBH.

I know it's not unheard of for cannabis to sometimes survive temps right around freezing, but I personally wouldn't have taken the chance lol.

Right on tho!





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No pictures yet, but thought I would share anyways. It was 4-20 recently and wasn't smoking so I decided to plant some seeds. I did 3 seeds and they are....

Blue Dream FEM Auto

Jack Herer FEM Auto

Skywalker Ghost Trianlge OG Kush FEM Photo-period





What breeder did you get the autos from?

I'm planning on growing some autos for my first time this year, I got some stuff from Mephisto and I plan on getting a couple from Twenty 20 Mendo.

Seems like autos are becoming a lot more popular over the past couple years or so. I've noticed more breeders are getting into working on autos, some that have been in "the game" for a while.





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Thanks man.

Yeah it’s way way more complex than I was expecting when I started. I was thinking I’d throw some seeds in a pot and water them :lol:

This is the stuff I’m using, pretty common I think.








That's common stuff if you're a synthetic/salt/hydro grower. I've never touched a bottle of that stuff before.


It doesn't need to be complex though. I keep things super simple.

I more or less give my plants nothing but water for the 6 to 7 months that they're growing. I top dress the soil before planting and do so again once or twice through out the grow, but besides that and some occasional "teas" my soil and plants receive nothing but water.





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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #27281529 - 04/25/21 12:56 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Hi OM!

I can't remember the vendor. I got them from multiple breeders last year and now I can't find the email. I want to say "00 Seeds" and "Dinafem" maybe from seedsman?

I love growing autos. It's amazing how fast they grow. The first 2 weeks are a little slow going and then BAM! They shoot off like a rocket! I think they are getting better and better every year and are almost as good as Photo-period, even better in some ways.

I read in a couple places that 7 gallon fabric pots are the perfect size for autos and also that it is best not to transplant them. Best to start in the pot that they will finish in. Take some pics for us!





Yea I'm actually looking forward to growing these autos for the first time and seeing "how they grow"...I'm super curious about and interested in seeing how they go through the different phases of growth in such a relatively short period of time.

I plan on sowing the seed directly in the 30 gal fabric pots they're going to be grown in. Some folks start their seeds in small containers and then transplant their autos but I don't want their roots ever being limited/restricted, even if for a short period of time.

Outdoors, I feel that even autos will fill out a 7gal pot pretty quickly. 7gal is definitely "plenty" for them to grow but I want em' to have "more than plenty" space for their roots to expand so they'll be in 30gal pots. (that's also the size I've grown photos in the past few years so I already had the pots on hand, I've been using the same soil in those pots for 4 years now)...It's also rather hot & dry in my area so a larger pot is def more ideal in my climate.

I'm going to try to post some pics once I get things going...I'm terrible at posting pics though lol. I still need to post pics from the plants I grew last year/last summer lol (something I plan on trying to do soon, tho I've def said that before lol).


I don't want to jinx myself or sound "cocky"....But if all goes to plan (which it never really does lol), but if it goes to plan I feel that the autos I grow will be some killer looking autos. I really want to "knock it out of the park" with these plants, especially since this will likely be the last time I get to grow outdoors for at least a couple years (moving this summer and not sure if I'll be in an ideal spot to grow outdoors).

I'm really looking forward to growing that "Mango Smile" though!...I have yet to grow anything that has a lot of "haze" in the genetics and is mostly "sativa", it will def be the most haze/sativa based genetics I've grown. Folks that have grown it say it has a classic old school hazey aroma and a very heady uplifting energetic high.



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Also, do you mind if I ask what general area you're moving to? Still staying in Cali? I'm thinking about moving too. Still in the Bay Area, but probably more north like San Rafael to Santa Rosa. I like Oakland, but might be nice to live up there and just come down to visit Oakland/San Francisco when I want to.





I'll be moving up to the Humboldt area, around Arcata/Eureka.

It is absolutely gorgeous up there, some of the most stunning landscape/scenery. Super lush redwood forests and the rugged coastline, along with the Trinity alps close by. The area up there feels pretty secluded and separated from the crowds and crazy-ness and hectic-ness of California. I was up there a couple months ago and it felt so far away from "California", felt like I was somewhere else entirely. Way more mellow. Very little traffic, roads are almost desolate at times. And the landscape and wild life in general made me feel like I wasn't in Cali anymore, seeing herds of Elk roam around in misty/foggy meadows along the coastline/redwood forests was magical AF lol. There is something "enchanting" about the vibe of the land up there.

Also a sense of community up there. Small town vibes. More folks that are like-minded to me, more down to earth folks. There's somewhat of an art & music scene and cool "things" happening up there. More small local business and mom & pop places and less big box/corporate stores. There are A LOT of things that I find attractive about the area up there.

Humboldt is definitely where I want to be, where I want to start my "life". I currently reside in the central valley and I can't stand existing here. Living in the valley is rotting my soul, I feel lifeless in this place.

The only thing about up there is the growing season is much shorter and not as spectacular as where I live now (at least near the coast), and it's a lot more humid/wet...As someone that loves gardening and growing cannabis I'm really going to miss all the sunshine and the super long spectacular growing season of the valley. That's basically the only single thing I like about where I live right now, it's fantastic for growing plants lol.





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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #27282688 - 04/26/21 01:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Here are few of my harvested plants.
I have 4x4x7 with HLG 550 v2 rspec & HLG 30w uva
2x4x6 w/ electric sky v300



These are just some. Almost all autos






Looks killer dude!

What auto strains did you grow?




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God damned Fucking Rollie Pollie fucks ate the roots of my Skywalker Ghost seedling and ate the whole Blue Dream plant.


Sounds nice Openmind! Good luck on your grow and your move. I have a feeling that we will eventually move north of the Bay Area completely and Humbolt/Shasta is about as far north as I think we would go. Much further north than that area seems way too foggy and rainy for me. I love the Bay Area and especially our weather, but the criminals are getting out of hand. I plan to make that nice Bay Area money for a while then live comfortably in another area that is sort of nearby here.

You should come up to the Shasta gathering at the end of May if you can swing it. Good times, good people, and good mushroom hunting! Last year I found a nice spot where lots of Porcini grow in abundance! Not many people were there last year, but I have a feeling more will come this year. It's also a beautiful place to hike and visit. We'er also going to try to get 1 or 2 days in Lassen this year too!






That's a bummer about your seedlings getting chomped :nonono: .

And yea. Humboldt/Shasta is def the farthest north I'd want to live, for many of the reasons you mention. Rain/fog/temperature....Though some parts of southern Oregon are pretty nice.

Another big reason I want to move is wanting to get away from the huge masses/large populations of people, there are so many people that live in the central valley and the bay area, even out here in the valley traffic is starting to get pretty ridiculous over the years. I'm one that really doesn't like being around such large masses of people (I could never live in the bay area lol, I love the vibe in some parts of the bay but there's way WAAAAY too many people for me to live there).

And yea...I forgot about that annual Shasta gathering. I've been meaning to make it for a while now. There's usually a festival I go to every year that happens around mid to late May and that's one reason I haven't made it yet, but that festival isn't happening this year so there's a chance I'll be able to make it to that Shasta gathering. Def interested!





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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27286539 - 04/29/21 12:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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The redwoods are one of the coolest places in the world imo. Good call id love to live up there too.







:werd:


I live somewhat close to some groves of giant Sequoia in the Sierra, but the coastal redwoods forests have a totally different vibe. Super lush & dank & wet.




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I love me some overcast weather.





I do too, to an extent.

I love rainy day vibes, but after a while I do need me some sunshine. And as a gardener I love those crystal clear sunny days.




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Auto zkittlez
Gorilla glue auto
Gorilla cookies auto
Critical purple auto
Cream auto
Strawberry pie auto
Girl scout cookies auto
BlackBerry auto
Stardawg auto
Amnesia auto

I might be forgetting some, but that's the main autos I've grown.
The ones I'm growing now are in veg stage still...
Gorilla zkittlez auto
Sour diesel auto
Gorilla girl XL auto x4
Strawberry pie auto x2

I've been focusing on photoperiod plants right now besides them autos.
I've been mainlining my photos and I've done it on a couple autos. Most of them are just LST.





Right on! Nice selection.

I'm debating on how I'm going to grow my autos outdoors, between letting them grow mostly into their natural form or topping and bending/LST them. With my photos the past several years I usually do a bit of LST/topping.

I'm going to be growing two plants of each strain, so I might grow one in its natural form and another with some training just to see what yields better or gives me more prime buds.





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Happy to see you growing some green again! :thumbup:

Have you grown Mango Smile before? I'll be growing that one soon along with Skywalker and Creme de la Chem, my very first autos!





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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: openmind]
    #27286549 - 04/29/21 12:18 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I ordered some autoflower seeds that are supposed to arrive today, Magic Melon auto.





Right on!

I'm assuming it's from the breeder Humboldt Seed Co?

IIRC they're who created the original Magic Melon.

My friend grew the regular-photo magic Melon last summer. It smelled really really good, sweet candy tropical melon with some slight gas/fuel, and had a nice coating of resin.





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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27286744 - 04/29/21 03:15 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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So I dont know shit about growing cannabis outdoors. I've only had indoor grows. I really want to try a clone outside this year but I'm afraid of the "EYE".
I live in a town with neighbors on 2 sides. I do have privacy fence so its possible. I grew poppies last year successfully.

Anyway to mask the smell outdoors?





And I don't know shit about growing cannabis indoors lol.

I'm not aware of any way to cover the smell of cannabis outdoors. Perhaps find a strain that's relatively low odor (tho my personal preference, I'm always trying to find the strains that stink the most lol).

So you reside in one of the few states where growing this plant is still a big concern? That's a bummmer...I see federal legalization happening in the next few years though.

My entire neighborhood reeeks like dank during the spring & summer & fall lol. I already smell it and have been for about a month now lol (I'm assuming people are doing early season light dep grows).


Wouldn't be hard to grow a small plant outdoors low key though, keeping it bent & trained down low. And they really only stink the most during the peak of flowering.

I can understand the concern though if you live in a state where the plant is still 100% illegal in every way and have neighbors right next door.




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Yeah Humboldt Seed Co is the breeder they're from. First autoflower seeds I've seen for sale on the government site here.





I totally forgot you're "up there" lol.

That's interesting to hear though, that their seeds/genetics are being sold up there through the official government sites. Cool!

Can you post a link to the site?...I'm not trying to get anything and obviously can't since I'm not in the country lol, I'm just curious what the site is like, what the menu/selections are like, etc.





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No, I haven't, first time. I've smoked the mango haze from mr nice before though. (parental line)





Cool! Are there any distinct aromas coming from your Mango Smile yet?

It's been so long since I've seen/smelled/smoked anything "haze". In my early days of smoking I was all about haze strains, Silver Haze was one of my first "favorite" strains lol .

And though it is an "auto", Mango Smile will be the most sativa/haze based genetics I've grown so far. Even tho it's an auto, from what I gather the plant is still very much a sativa in its structure/form and cannabinoid/terp profile and the high it produces.

I'm really looking forward to growing/smoking it. In the future I'm definitely trying to grow some strains that lean more to the sativa/haze side of things. It's cool that haze/sativa genetics are being worked to flower auto instead of photo, makes it possible to grow sativas in such a shorter amount of time. People with short summers/grow season will be able to grow em'.


I have also yet to grow anything that's straight up classic "kush" or "OG"...With classic pine, skunk, kush, earth, fuel notes...So I'm looking forward to growing the Skywalker.

And same with the CDLC...I haven't grown anything straight up "chemmy", and a prized cut of Stardawg is the mother of the Creme de la Chem.


I'm also looking forward to seeing what freebies I get!




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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: A.k.a]
    #27286876 - 04/29/21 05:05 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I think it may break the EG rules for me to link it here but I can PM you the listing. In Ontario the province is the wholesaler to private stores and sells the same products online. The legal market for recreational seeds is just what they decide to sell (and is presumably dwarfed by the black market in sales). For quite a while they only had two strains listed. Finally there is getting to be more variety now. They could sell clones too but they don't.





I forgot about that in this particular forum.

Got your PM tho.

Yea I've wondered how that all works up there. I've heard a bit about that. Also heard about how there were only those two strains available for a while.

There's only a small handful of licensed cultivators up there that produces everything, right? Or the government does all the growing entirely? Same with actual walk in stores?

Or can citizens open up their own stores & start their own cannabis cultivation business with licenses and permits & what not from the government?

I haven't actually looked into how it works up there.




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Lol I was gonna do some outside too until I decided it’s not worth the risk with the smell that it would put off. Especially with the mush cult stuff going on too it’s just not smart.


Keeping them out of site is easy but that stink is too much.


It’s perfect too cuz my dog dug this hole that’s 3x2’ and close to 3’ deep. I was just gonna drop a 5 gallon pot in there and put some ferns or something around the hole.





Yea if I wasn't in a state/area where growing a plant or two isn't legal or decriminalized and also had some fungi growing I too wouldn't bother with it.

Times are changing though! In a few parts of the country growing one's own cannabis and own mushrooms for personal use isn't something that will get ya caught up in anyway.





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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: LSD-25]
    #27302988 - 05/10/21 12:42 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I'm going to sow my seeds today. Soaking em' in water for a bit today or over night, they'll be placed directly in the pot they'll grow up in later this evening or tomorrow morning.

All autos.

I'm really hoping they finish by the end of July, since I'll likely be moving in August sometime. I imagine most should be done by then, only the Mango Smile might need a little longer. Fingers crossed they finish before I have to move out, I'm going to take the gamble anyway.


Mango Smile

Skywalker

Creme de la Chem

Strawberry Mango Crumble

3 bears OG X Samsquanch OG





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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27303281 - 05/10/21 05:00 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Indoors the Mango Smile seems to be doing speedy times my man. Maybe it'll need 2 more weeks to mature outdoors, but I don't expect much more :wink:





How far along are you as far as days from sprout for the mango smile?

The info for the strain says 75 to 90 days to finish from sprouting, breeder themselves say it usually takes 85 for them, but I've seen a few grow reviews that have said it took 110 to 120+ days to finish :crazy: .

From what I gather it seems the more root space an auto has the longer it will take to finish...to an extent of course, and obviously other variables at play too.

In general, how long to most of :piggy: 's strains take to finish for you? And how much light do you give them per 24 hours? (I'm outdoors, but just curious)

My plants will be getting around 15 hours of light most of their life on average as the days increase and decrease with the solstice coming up, about 12 of which will be direct sunlight. Really warm & dry too.




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    #27304550 - 05/11/21 04:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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....I'm cherry picking some btw, not cause it was done that much sooner but because I wanted to know where I stood on calcium oxalates in the tissues. VERY GOOD, that's where :grin:

So I got 1 top of the Mango Smile already drying, and 10g of the Milk n Qookies, already trying. The plants could be cut now, but since the Milk n Qookies is still drinking it up and the Mango Smile is still showing a lot of white pistils on the asteroid foxtail nugs, and since the main cola of the Milk n Qookies looked so big n dense I was fearing some rot during a paranoid moment.

The Milk n Qookies is pretty dang good. VERY sticky.





Thanks for the reply. I've heard from a few others and it seems like 85 to 90 days is the average for Mango Smile, but a few people have shown it took them well over 100 days. I'll find out :shrug: .

I'm all stoned a the moment and wondering what you mean "...I wanted to know where I stood on calcium oxalates in the tissues..." ?

Like you're checking the levels of calcium oxalate within the tissue of the plant/buds?

Milk & Qookies is one I had my eye on.





I went looking for some gopher baskets/cages to protect the roots of the plants I'm going to place directly in the ground, or chicken wire or metal mesh...but no where had the gopher baskets and all of the chicken wire/mesh had spacing of 1-inch or more, around here some gophers can fit through a 1-inch space, I'm looking for 1/2 to 3/4 at the most.

I soaked my seeds over night and I'll be putting them in the soil in a bit. I was planning on putting a few directly in the ground but since I wasn't able to get anything for gopher protection I'll be starting those in 1-gallon pots and transplanting them into the ground as soon as I get something to protect them. I really didn't want to transplant autos though.





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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: A.k.a]
    #27311181 - 05/16/21 01:02 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

My seeds have germinated as of this morning. They were the slowest seeds to germinate that I've grown so far (they took 3 to 4 days before I saw any cotyledons poking above the soil surface, almost all of the seeds I've germinated in previous years only took 36 to 48 hours at the most).

Looks like I've already lost two of them :nonono:, there's $30 down the drain, something chewed on the cotyledons on two of the seedlings over night. I don't know what specific pest it would be. I've started my seed grown plants directly outdoors under the sun every year and have never had issues with the seedlings being chewed on/ate by pests.

So it begins :crazy: .




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I think I’m starting to get preflowers down a little. They’re just so tiny compared to what I expected from pictures lol.

One of the better guides I read said the best way to tell a male is if it’s got a little stalk with a spade shaped pod on the end.

So based on that this is textbook male.





Which should then make this one female. Hopefully :uhoh:




I love that the male also looks like a little arm flipping you off





To my eyes...Yes, that first pic looks like it'll be a male.

And the second pic looks like it is a female (can almost see a little hair/pistil poking out at the lower node that is circled)






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    #27312848 - 05/17/21 05:54 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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IME outdoor tends to be a lot less dense bud but that could be cause of my zoning, I've had outdoor /greenhouse bud from the warmer regions of Europe as well and that bud was dense... :shrug:





Def has to do with your climate & what not.

In my area, lots of dry heat and lots of sun all day every day pretty deep into flowering, the plants tend to produce buds that are quite dense & packed together with resin.

I used to think of outdoor as not the greatest stuff, but now that I've grown my own (outdoors) it's actually some of the best herb I've had in a while or ever in general. And I feel I still have a lot of ways to improve.

I'm looking forward to seeing these autos I have going flower underneath the full glory/intensity/spectrum of the summer sun shine, versus the fall sun shine/spectrum with regular photo plants. The large amounts of sunshine is great for producing large buds and rich quality resin/terps, but the down side is that it can be quite hot here during the summer...So I feel like the plants are producing a ton of terps from all the sunshine but since it is so hot here they're also losing a lot of terps/evaporating through out the day. Versus with regular photo plants flowering during the relatively cooler days of fall (at least during the last 4 to 5 weeks or so).




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That mephisto opening was ridiculous btw. I'm over here in Europe, checking every 2 hrs, one check it's closed, the next it's all sold out. Literally, you have to be at your screen the moment they open, or the beans are all goners. Friggin ridiculous.





I got mine during the sale here in the US last month sometime.

It was pretty ridiculous but I managed to get everything I wanted (3 mango smile, 3 Skywalker, and 2 CDLC tho I wanted 3). They hooked it up with 5 of the MS and SW.

I was on the site 5 minutes before they opened and started refreshing the page the minute before. At first the site wasn't letting me through from so much traffic. Then I got on. Managed to add everything I wanted to the cart. Then during check out some items disappeared from the cart, then when I went to re-add them back to the cart they were sold out (3 packs of the CDLC), so I just grabbed 1 of the CDLC along with 3 of the others and went to check out...

...Then, I had to make an account and confirm my email and all that stuff while hoping the stuff in my cart stayed there. Long story short I managed to check out with it all lol.

But yea...going directly through them is pretty ridiculous, your story seems typical, I've heard the same from lots of others during the US sales. You really have to be on it right before they open and fast with everything, even then it doesn't always work out lol. Seems like they sale out within 5 to 15 minutes after opening. It's worth the shot for the extra seeds they always give along with the multiple freebies they toss with each order (I got 5 "Mango Strawberry Crumble" and 2 "3 BOG X Samsquanch OG" as freebies)

If one doesn't want to go through the hassle of going directly thru them, there are several seed banks that carry their seeds.




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    #27313770 - 05/18/21 12:35 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I’ve had some real good outdoor weed.


The guys always said that outdoor is trickster weed. A lot of the trichomes get knocked off while growing but the hot sun just makes the whole bud loaded with resin. So it might not look super pretty but it packs a punch.




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Buds soaking up the sunshine on a 90 degree day with humidity down around 15%, are sooo gosh dang oily & resinous. Nothing like seeing (and smelling) buds glisten & swell up under pure sunshine on a warm day.

I've had some outdoor that doesn't look all that great upon first glance, but when a nug is split open it's completely packed chock full of resin/trichomes and definitely packs a punch when smoked.

Trichomes should not be getting knocked/broken off while growing outdoors though. I mean if one's plants are swaying around in the wind and the buds/colas are hitting each other or there are hail storms in one's area I can see that happening, but my buds don't have their trichomes knocked off just because they're growing outdoors. My "outdoor" tends to look just as frosted with resin as indoor buds do.

I feel a lot of "outdoor" that people come across doesn't look that great because it is commercial/mass grown stuff where the colas/buds aren't handled with care. Home grown outdoor, when one takes care of and is very gentle with their plants, can definitely look on par with indoor. (when harvesting and hanging to dry I make sure nothing at all comes in contact with the buds, I'm super gentle and mindful about the way I handle my buds)

The main way I can tell my stuff is outdoor is because of how "meaty" and thick the stems and bud are, and the coloration of the plant matter (I feel that sunlight/outdoor grown buds, being exposed to such intense UV light every day, tends to make for somewhat "duller" or more muted colors after drying/curing versus indoor stuff). Aesthetically, outdoor buds might appear a bit less vibrant & colorful as indoor buds but they appear just as frosted with resin as indoor buds are.

I feel that sun grown buds have a richer/broader spectrum of cannabinoids & terps and "active" components versus buds grow under lights, definitely packs a punch.

I feel the best herb is from a green-house (grown in live/organic soil), soaking up all the sunshine but protected from the exposure to the elements of the outdoors for the most part.

Not talking down on indoor at all though, I'm actually looking forward to the day I can try my hand at growing indoor and having full control of the environment (I'll always prefer growing under the sun tho)...No doubt high quality herb can be grown all sorts of ways, I just feel there's nothing better than natural sunlight.













I really need to get the pics of my plants from last summer uploaded lol. I still haven't posted any photos from my grow last summer lol. I know I've likely said that many times now tho.





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    #27316350 - 05/20/21 01:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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He stated the dispensary seeds will likely herm, not bagseed. I have been growing on and off since 1978. Nothing fancy, just outdoors in a pot or the ground and all natural mostly.





"Dispensary seeds"...As in, like seeds one buys from a weed store? And not a random "bag seed" that one finds in their herb bought from a weed store?

That is super vague though...Weed stores don't develop/breed seeds. They sell seeds from breeders and there are hundreds of it not thousands of breeders out in the world. If your brother is talking about one specific breeder/seed company that's one thing, but saying "dispensary seeds" turn into hermies is very vague. That's like saying "liquor store beer" taste bad (the store doesn't produce the beer, they sell beer from many different breweries), the liquor store has nothing at all to do with the production/quality of the beer. Just like a weed store has nothing to do with the production/quality of the seeds they sell (or any of the products they sell). And different weed stores likely carry/sell different breeders genetics.

So perhaps the store he works at carries genetics that tend to turn hermie :shrug: . That's entirely on the breeder/genetics tho.


I've bought seeds from my local weed store, they were breed by a local/northern California breeder, none turned out to be hermi.





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From my experience in the trade people who work in dispensaries don't actually know very much about cannabis beyond common industry talking points.  They certainly are not working in a dispensary because they know a lot about cult, if they did they would be making more money in cultivation.  Not hating on your brother, just going off of years of having to educate bud tenders on the very basics, along with dispelling lots of myths.




Dude, same here! lol

Most folks I've interacted with in weed stores have a "cookie cutter" type of knowledge, and don't know much beyond the typical talking points.

And I too am not hating on T-rex's bro or saying he doesn't know what he's talking about, just saying I totally know what you mean lol. The store his bro works at could very well be selling seeds from a breeder/genetics that tend to turn hermi.





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I have sprouted many disp. bag seeds over the years and exactly none of them have gone hermi on me.  3/4 of what I sprouted turned out to be meh, but that's par for the course when popping beans.  Last year I got an absolutely beautiful plant from one wedding cake disp. bag seed.  She grew out to be sticky, potent, and 9/10 bag appeal.  Out of everything I've grown in the past decade it is one of my most requested.






That wedding cake bag seed plant looks killer!

Looks a lot like its mother/wedding cake. Same coloration and pretty much the same structure for the most part.

I'm super curious how similar to the original wedding cake that plant/bud was? As far as aroma/flavor & what not? Aesthetically it looks damn near identical to Wedding Cake.

I grew Wedding Cake last summer and it turned out pretty good. It has suuuuch a nice relaxing high to it, very medicinal for me. Totally relaxes my body and melts away stress but doesn't put me to sleep (but def makes for a great bed time smoke). Puts me in the most mellow and at ease state of mind ever with out being too sedated. I'm already getting burnt out on the aroma/flavor of it since I've been smoking a lot of it over the past 6 months, but the high & medicinal aspects of this strain are so lovely that I want to grow it again.



Last summer I grew a plant from a seed that I pulled out of some "Thin Mint" bud that I grew the year before. I have no idea who the daddy is/where the pollen came from, I never spotted signs of hermi or nanners but all I can assume is that the plant pollinated itself somehow, really not sure though.

....The structure of the plant grown from that seed was similar to Thin Mint, but the aroma/flavor and overall characteristic was waaay different. It had one of the most unique/complex aromas I've come across (savory/onion/curry/cilantro/basil, woody, metallic, incense), really strange aroma that I've never noticed before in any other strains that I've smelled/smoked in 10+ years.

But yea...that plant turned out to be a super healthy and large producer of quality buds, super resinous too. I called it "Soup", because of it's somewhat savory essence lol. It reminded me of onions and curry and sandalwood while growing, but some of it has cured into a really complex & interesting essence that is more mellow & incense like.


I honestly get super excited about growing "bag seed" or random seeds, I love the mystery and the chance of potentially finding a killer plant that no one else has.

If I had the space to do so I'd be growing out a dozen or two bag seed/mystery seed plants every summer aside from my main grow with known genetics/strains. Just purely out of curiosity to see what they grow into.





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    #27317560 - 05/21/21 01:08 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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It has become an obsession with a lot of people to the point where it seems it's not fun.




Autism has entered the game.

  Being mildly autistic is one of the reasons I get obsessed with things.  Honestly losing myself down a hole of learning everything I can about something is incredibly satisfying.  I can see how a neurotypical person wouldn't find it fun though.







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Same here.

I too am "mildly autistic", with "aspergers" or what ever it is labelled as these days.

I definitely can get a bit "obsessed" and very "into" things, and when something catches my interest I tend to dive into it deeply and do a whole bunch of research/learning to the point that's basically all I do for a little while lol.





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    #27319889 - 05/23/21 12:19 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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This plant was started back in March and has been outside for at least a month. Why is it flowering? It’s already producing pollen. Don’t mind the cicadas they’re on everything.







Like others pointed out, it's because of the short days/sunlight.

Usually seed grown plants aren't prone to early flowering like clones/cuttings are when put out during the spring time, but March is pretty early.

I start my seeds of photoperiod plants directly outdoors in early to mid April usually and I don't have any problems with plants flowering early.

But if starting in March, one might want to give the plants some extra light to prevent early flowering....or just wait another month.

Plants started in April or May still have plenty of time to grow very large.

I'd be sure to keep that male very far away from any young ladies you have growing and wash away pollen. I'd hate for my ladies to get knocked up with pollen literally as soon as they develop their first pistils.



Man...I really wish I was growing some big photo period plants this summer :sadyes: . Last year was the first time I grew seed grown plants directly in the ground and the vigor/growth rate and overall size of the plants was ridiculous.




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    #27322537 - 05/25/21 12:09 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Who's doing outdoor this year?  I'm curious what people are planting out, when they are planting out vs latitude plating at, and what's your soil mix of choice?

I'm putting a Maine's Own Blueberry out on June 10th at 45.5 in a 45 gallon smart pot with E.B. Stone 420 mix, dolomite lime, oyster shell, azomite, E.B. Stone general organic mix 5-5-5, earth worm castings, alfalfa, deer poop, and...love?

Gross, who put this love in here?





I'm an outdoor grower.

I'm only growing autos this year because it's very likely that I will be moving out towards the end of summer, I don't have the time to finish regular photoperiod plants (such a bummer). I really really wish I was growing photos though! I still might, it's a long story/complicated situation lol.

I was considering doing a small light dep grow along with my autos, because there are some specific cuttings/clones out there I'd really like to grow. I was thinking of vegging them for only a couple weeks or so then flipping them into flower...but then I'm committed to having to be at home every single evening through out the summer to put the plants under a tarp/light dep, I want to go on a few camping & backpacking trips this summer and having a light-dep grow would hold me up at home all summer so it's unlikely that I'm going to do that.

This is likely going to be the last year that I'm able to grow for several years :sad: :sadyes:  (not sure if I'll have a yard where I'm moving to or if the "landlord" with be OK with letting me grow a few plants), so I really want to "go big" this summer, but I don't think I have the time to finish em'...So I'm hoping these autos live up to the hype, still nothing like growing a big full term photoperiod plant tho.

If I was growing regular photo plants this year I would have already had the seeds germinated last month and would have the plants in the ground at the beginning of this month. (I'm just east of the SF bay area out in the central valley, we can start growing things super early out here)




I started my autos about a week ago, they still only have their first set of true leaves...This is what I have going at the moment, they're all autos from Mephisto.


2x Mango Smile ("Mango Haze" from Mr. Nice is the mother in the cross)

2x Skywalker (a select cut of "Skywalker Kush" from DNA-genetics is the mother in the cross)

2x Strawberry Mango Crumble (Strawberry Nuggets X Mango Smile)

1x Creme de la Chem (the "Illuminati cut" of "Stawdawg" is the mother in the cross)

1x "Three bears OG X Samsquanch OG"


One of each strain will be grown in 30 gallon fabric pots. The soil in the pots started as "Roots Original" 4 years ago, but I've been using the same soil for 4 years now so it's composition has changed a bit from breaking down over the years plus all the various amendments and materials I've added over the years (some of my native sandy/loam soil, alfalfa, kelp, bone meal, fish meal, feather meal, compost, aloe, etc etc etc). I mixed in some more coco and perlite this year for drainage & aeration since it was becoming a bit compact/tight. It's got coco and perlite in it and a small amount of peat, but lots of organic matter too.

One of the Mango Smile that I'm growing and one of the Skywalker will be planted directly in the ground.


I'm mostly an organic/live soil grower, I don't use any "nutes" in bottles besides fish emulsion. I just top dress with various amendments and give the soil some botanical and bacterial teas occasionally, other than that my plants/soil receives basically nothing but water their entire life....but this time around I am considering working with a brand/line of "nutes" called "Nectar for the Gods", not their entire line but a few of their products.




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    #27323825 - 05/26/21 11:41 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I feel you on the uncertainty.  I was lucky to grow some big plants in the desert last year and I feel that itch got nice and scratched. 

I'm headed out to sign a lease today on a new place, and I really scored.  It's a lot split between two houses that share a backyard and as the landlords led me into the yard on the house tour the first thing I saw was two cannabis plants in the ground already.  My porch will likely have one or two photos in 20 gal pots, TLO all the way with some fish emulsion and rainbow mix scratched in around flowering time.

NICE that you got in on a Mephisto order, have to be first in line and have more to barter than a dairy cow for those magic beans!  I've always wanted to grow a couple of cute 3bears for some night time smoke.  The Mango smile and Strawberry Mango Nuggets sound absolutely killer.  Autos don't need much root space, even the sativa doms probably won't max out a thirty gallon.  If you've never grown autos before be warned that they are very nute sensitive, I doubt the will need any feed after being placed in that soil.

That said, I've heard great things about nectar of the gods.  Can't wait to see how that works out for you!





I grew a couple big seed plants in the ground last year besides the clones I had in fabric pots, and that itch got scratched a bit for sure, I def got that satisfaction of growing a big plant...but I had troubles with russet mites last year so I feel the potential of my "crop" was definitely impacted so I want to "do it even better", and more than anything it made me want to grow directly in the ground for now on after seeing how big they get lol. Though with big plants comes a lot more "plant" that one needs to take care of lol, tending to big plants did take a lot more time than plants in 20gal & 30gal fabric pots. Basically having to crawl up inside the plant to do things lol.

Right on about getting a lease on a new place, and being able to grow there :thumbup: . Where abouts in the country do you reside? Almost every single place I've been looking at specifically says in the ad that no growing cannabis indoors or outdoors anywhere on the property is allowed :drgonz: . I absolutely hate living where I do right now but I am able to grow cannabis and a garden here (and gardening and growing cannabis is one of my favorite things in life), I feel in such a pinch, I really need to get out of this place but I'm really going to miss gardening and growing my own herb :nonono: .

I got through one of the Mephisto sales last month, I was on the site minutes before they opened and was constantly re-loading the page lol. Even then it was a hassle and I almost didn't get everything I wanted.

I've been curious how much space the roots of these autos will take up, and how big they will get in general. I really haven't seen much about autos being grown outdoors or in the ground or in big pots, so I don't know how large they can potentially get. I figured 30gal is more than necessary, but that's what I have on hand (been using the same pots/soil for years now). It can get really hot/dry in my area so the extra soil volume will definitely help either way even if the roots don't fill em' out.

Thanks for the heads up about autos being a bit more sensitive to nutes :thumbup: .



TBH...so far they all seem kinda slow/small compared to the regular photos I've grown and they all took longer to germinate than any other seeds I've worked with before. I'm trying to stay hopeful, but I'm not impressed at all from what I'm seeing so far. They don't seem to have all that much vigor compared to basically everything else I've grown over the past 4 years.

For those that have grown autos, do they tend to grow slower and have less vigor than photos? I hear autos usually flip into flowering around 3 to 4 weeks after sprouting. My plants are still so tiny, they only have their first set of true leaves and are only about 1 inch tall, at the rate that they're growing I just can't imagine them going into flowering in 2 to 3 weeks.





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    #27331656 - 06/01/21 05:06 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Most of my plants (autos) are starting to grow a bit more rapidly and with more vigor now that it is hot out. (it has been 95 to 105 the past few days).

I guess autos need really warm temps to get going :shrug: ?....

Past years I've started seeds of regular photo period plants in late March/early April, and with cooler weather and shorter/less intense days of sunlight every single seed I've popped over the years has grown more rapidly and with more vigor than these autos have. But now that it is really really warm out they are starting to grow at a rate that is more typical to what I've seen over the past several years that I've grown.

I'm still wishing I was growing some photos this year :sadyes:, uggghh...There are so many different cuts/clones available in my area of strains that I'd looove to grow.






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Start over? Nah. They’ll be fine.





If they've already been knocked up and have seed developing I feel that the plant isn't going to put nearly as much energy/effort into reverting back to vegetative growth compared to if the plant just started to flower early with out becoming pollinated. (not sure tho, just an assumption)

And if the flowers have already been pollinated from the earliest days they started to develop, I feel that the plant isn't going to put as much effort/energy into swelling & stacking the buds or as much energy into developing cannabinoinds/terps through out the plant even once it does re-veg then re-flower.

Even if the plant just started to flower early I would want to start over with something new...considering the plant has also been pollinated already I really wouldn't want to waste the time/energy and focus on that plant (I don't know if you have others going).

If I was in that situation I'd either keep it in flowering and let it finish as a small plant just for the seed (and maybe a tiny bit of smoke), or I would let it keep growing how ever it has been "off to the side" just to see what it does but also start some other plants and have the others as my main focus. If I was wanting some herb at the end of summer I would not want to rely on that plant alone.




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