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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27013836 - 10/31/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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well, that  mold that started on a live strawberry cough plant, it spread right through half that harvest while drying. Just threw out about an ounce of fat buds. the trichome coverage is so dense you constantly mistake trichomes for mold while checking it. Had to get my trichome scope out to judge every single nug. Half were bad. Some painful shit.





Bummer...Sry to hear.



Not the exact same situation, but I had to toss some of the buds from my Granimals (Grape Pie X Animal Cookies) ....On the outside the buds appear totally immaculate, but the inside of them has a tinge of some sort of "rot" . The insides of the buds close to the stem appear a bit darker in color and lacks aroma/resin. I assume this happened from parts of the flowers becoming damaged when they first started to develop, from the mixture of oils/soap/alcohol I used to get rid of mites, and that tissue was essentially dead while the buds continued to develop around it...So that dead material was stuck in the very center of a super tight-dense bud.

That's my theory at least :shrug: ....Bummed because those buds would have def turned out to be the best out of the 8 different strains I grew this summer. I'm still smoking the stuff, but some parts of some of the buds I toss out.

It's one strain I def want to grow again to do it proper....I really enjoy the aroma it has, and it has some nice chunky dense highly resinous flowers.






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Why would relative humidity be super high in the winter?





With rain and cold temperatures, which occur during the winter, there tends to be a lot more moisture in the air/earth.

Why would it not be super high during the winter?

I don't know where you live...but during winter months the humidity is always way higher in my area than it is during any other time of the year.






Speaking of the weather....the weather in my area has been fantastic for late flowering this time around. Dry & sunny. It has started to get a little chilly at night, temps down around 40 to 45, but the days are still plenty warm and sunny with temps around 75 to 80. The air has been pretty dry for this time of year too, 15% to 25% humidity during the day and around 75% humidity at night. Barely any dew/moisture on the plants in the morning...I recall my plants being covered in morning dew through most of October the past two years, it's relatively dry & warm this time around.

I still have that Wedding Cake going. It's turned very purple over the past few days. I'll for sure be taking down some of it tonight. This is the latest into the season I've had a plant go, glad the weather has been as nice as it has been.

I wish I would have let some of my other plants go a little longer.






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Re: Cannabis Growers ❤ [Re: Ran-D]
    #27021447 - 11/04/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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The Jah Goo x Larry OG. To be honest I think I cut her a week early but she's still got some chunk to her. Those 3 nugs are over 10 grams. Strong fruit notes with a little bit of a lavender/bubblegum thing going on. Still smells very fresh though, I imagine it will evolve a lot during the cure.





Nice! Lavendar/bubblegum sounds like a pleasant essence.

I dig the lime green and purple colors. Looks like it has a relatively "open"/loose bud structure and not super compact/tight, or does it just look like that?

The Lemon Wookie Glue I grew this year has a somewhat loose bud structure, at least not as tight as most herb I see these days....I'm thinking it should be great for making hash :yesnod: .

Last year I used some small Thin Mint buds along with trim for hash...And the buds were so damn dense and tight that even after washing for 45 minutes I would break open a piece of a bud and the inside would still be totally dry and full of trichomes. I think that might be one reason why my yields were so low because the buds were super dense and not able to break open and let go of the trichs. So this time around I'm looking forward to not only using full buds for hash but also working with some buds that aren't as tight & compact/dense.







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It really is ridiculous how dank this Ice Cream Cake is.


Just goes to show that a damn bagseed (Cookies) can change the entire game.





Yaum!...Looks like it!

My Wedding Cake should turn out to be pretty fuego too. Probably the best out of what I grew this year. I pulled off a small bud a bit over a week ago and just smoked it yesterday, and even with being pulled a bit early and not "curing" that bud was a nice smoke with good aroma and most of all it had a really really nice high to it (almost feels like it has a dash of some CBD in it, like 1% or 2% maybe, just has a distinct rich high).

I took down some tops two nights ago and I'll be taking down the rest of that plant tomorrow night. I'm sooo glad I waited and let this plant go as long as I have.




Speaking of bag seed and cookies.....The seed I pulled out of my "Thin Mint" plant last summer produced some lovely plants this year. Huge chunky donkey dicks with tons of oily resin, potent too. The aroma kinda reminds me of GMO just a little bit, it's def got an onion and herbaceous and savory-like characteristic to it, but also some notes that kinda remind me of cedar and leather and almost a rose-like note that seems to be coming out after sitting in the jars/curing. It has a unique aroma, it isn't the most pleasant smell but it isn't foul (tho it kinda was when it first started to flower, def was a real stinky plant, can't even explain how but it was super pungent/funky when growing). I haven't smelled its essence or the notes that compose its essence much at all in other strains of cannabis, and if any of you can't tell yet I'm very much into aromas/essences so I've stuck my nose into a plethora of different strains over the years lol....I know my hand didn't play any part in "creating" this seed (father/pollen is a mystery), but the name I'm calling the bud from this plant is "Soup" lol. Since it has a bit of a savory essence to it, and I do like me a bowl of soup :grin: .

My friend grew out one of the "sisters" to that plant. It looked almost identical to mine in structure/form, and the aroma was very similar as well but the last time I smelled his plant a few weeks before he harvested it had a distinct sweetness to it kinda like cotton candy that mine didn't.

Since the seeds I pulled out of my buds last year have grown into such nice plants with dank/quality herb I'm looking forward to popping a few every year even more so now! Still really wish I knew where the pollen came from though. I assumed self pollination but some of the plants from those seeds turned out male so I don't think that's what happened....The pollen/father is a mystery but the seeds all have mothers with solid genetics and nice traits so :thumbup: .




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Re: Cannabis Growers ❤ [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27021821 - 11/04/20 04:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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selfing will also yield males





Really?

I was always under the impression that a female plant that pollinates itself will not produce any male seeds/plants, that a self pollinated plant is essentially feminized seed but the plants from that fem-seed might have a tendency to push out nanners and self pollinate (depending on how the plant pollinated itself, if it was triggered by stress etc etc).

When a female plant pollinates itself there isn't a male chromosome involved (or is there?)?...And a male chromosome in the genetics of the seed would be required for it to be a male(?)...So if there's no male chromosome present in the pollen then how can a self pollinated plant produce male seeds?


Genetics isn't something I'm all that savvy about lol, so I dunno lol :shrug: .





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Re: Cannabis Growers ❤ [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27023361 - 11/05/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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as far as I understand it, only way to really produce top notch fem seeds that have no chance for herming out on ya is throwing 100 beans, cloning all specimens twice (numbered), then you turn 12/12 on the moms n dads to let em sex, out of 100 reg seeds will usually come 50-80 females, then out of those there will be 0-2 completely pure fem plants, which will show after stressing them out until they all-but-a-few turn hermie, cause they won't herm out, which means no male genetics to give male offspring from selfing. These plants and only these plants will be kept, all the others discarded, then the ones that have remained, have their respective cuttings put in bloom, one will be sacrificed for male pollen by putting it in bloom sooner and spraying it  with dilute gibberellic acid or colloidal silver, then hopefully it will  make male flowers cause if not it'll die trying. The colloidal silver or acid treatment is VERY harsh. The other cutting will then be pollinated by the pollen of it's sacrificed sister clone..

This whole series of steps, or rather often the lack of them, is, as far as I understand it, why you do or do not find hermaphrodites in "fem" plants that have received little stress. Or at least that's how one dutch breeder explained it to me.





But isn't a true hermi plant, a plant which produces both male ball sacks/flowers and female buds and contains both male and female chromosomes, different from a female plant that just pushes out some nanners in the buds in late flowering? The understanding I had was that a female plant that pushes out some nanners isn't actually considered a "true" hermi since it has no male chromosome.


When a female plant pushes out a nanner from within the bud, from what I understand there will not be any male chromosome in the pollen from that nanner. Since the plant is female there is no male chromosome present within it. So a female plant that pollinates itself via nanners can't produce male seeds...?

Which is different from a true hermi plant knocking itself up. Since a true hermi plant contains both male and female chromosomes.

I was under the impression that the seeds from a plant that pollinated itself via nanners during late flowering will be female, but those plants will also have a tendency to push out nanners in late flowering/when stressed.






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Re: Cannabis Growers ❤ [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27024987 - 11/06/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Since the plant is female there is no male chromosome present within it.




No. Wrong.





So what makes the plant a female then? By definition, don't "females" lack "Y" chromosomes?

I don't see how a plant can be female while simultaneously containing male chromosomes.





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true :shrug:

that's what I mean with "pure females", it might not be they have male genetics, but the genetic trait that makes making pollen possible for female plants is present in something like 98% of cannabis plants. At least that's how I understand it. That's why it's a trait that is so hard to get rid of. But once you have that "pure female" it should be possible, or that's what I've been told.





But isn't it possible for a female plant to possess that trait with out having male chromosome in its genetics?

So essentially you're saying that almost all (98%) "female" cannabis plants that people grow around the world are not actually female, they are in fact hermis and they all contain male chromosomes?



(again, genetics isn't something I'm all that savvy about, just trying to wrap my head around it all lol :stoned:)





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Re: Cannabis Growers ❤ [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27025106 - 11/06/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Well, I'm probably wrong about that actually. It's likely that plants that appear female throughout their lifespan only to throw out bananas after the peak of bloom, are genetically female, but carry genetic traits that allow for them to produce pollen when no foreign pollen is present, as a means of genetic self-preservation. That trait will be present to a very great extent in plants, to such an extent that around 98% (that's the number I was told years ago) of a regular seed batch probably has that trait. But it's usually an epigenetic trait turned on by light or heat stress. There are however also strains that push out nanners every time, but who do it late in bloom. Same deal here afaik, only the trigger is not having pollen that late in the flower cycle; so basically she's feeling a bit sexually frustrated :naughty:

Then there's the more rare "pull-him-out!" hermaphrodite where every other internode has balls instead of pistils. That type of hermaphrodite probably carries male and female genes.

I'm not that savvy about it either, I'm just lying in the water flailing around hoping to get to shore and picking up what I come across :lol:







I hear ya lol :lol: .

Simply put in a nutshell, ^that's essentially the understanding and view point I had of it all as well.






I took down the rest of the Wedding Cake last night before I went to bed. I know I've prob said this about a few of my plants so far this season lol, but I'm pretty certain the bud from this plant will be the best I've ever grown.

It's always bitter-sweet for me when taking down the last plant...Going into my backyard and looking at and smelling each of my plants has been a part of my morning ritual for many months now, and taking care of the plants has been part of my days in general and gives me something to focus on and be engaged with, so for a little while after the last plant has come down it feels like something is missing from my days....But at the same time it's nice to not be tied down to the plants anymore and not have to think or worry about them, nice to have everything come to a (mostly) proper finish and I'm happy to have had something to harvest at all after some of the troubles I had this time around.

Today I'll be cleaning up the yard and bit and getting the pots and earth ready to rest overwinter.


Now onto hash-making season and mushroom-hunting season :awesome: ....Then poppy-sowing season not long after :grin: . The cycles of the seasons and the treats that come from each brings me immense joy and always gives me something to look forward to as we make our way around the sun :heart: .






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Re: Cannabis Growers ❤ [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27025191 - 11/06/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I haven't posted in this thread yet but have been lurking. Lol could you post some pics? I feel like I've been waiting on a new season of a show and its on a serious cliff hanger.





:lol:


Yea I will eventually...I'm terrible at getting pics posted in a timely manner, or when it's still relevant lol. The first year I grew I didn't get pics posted of my plants until close to the beginning of the following season lol.

...it just takes me a while to get them onto the computer, then cropped and/or resized, then wipe off all the EXIF data from the files, then upload them to the shroomery and post them....I often don't want to take the time to do all of that lol....

But yea...I definitely will have some pics posted soon in the near future.







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yeah, about that....

ordered myself a new trichome agitator.






:lol:

Nice.

I've been curious how well something like that would work lol.






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Re: Cannabis Growers 💖 [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27073555 - 12/05/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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You could have easily already had em really. When infestations aren't really bad it just looks like some deficiencies popping up a bit sooner than usual, you get this ever so slight feeling something's off, until you see that one plant that starts to exhibit the telltale upcurling of leaf edges, soon the leaves will start to curl down lengthwise, then they'll yellow, becoming brittle as they die off. The monsters then make their exodus, only to land in our favorite spot: the buds.. There they will remain protected for pretty much any and all countermeasure, and if it gets bad your buds will end up looking like small pinecone PGR-resembling shit and it won't smoke nice either.





Pretty much...

Tho when they get into the buds, IME, they prevent the buds from developing at all...They suck the "life" out of the buds entirely. The buds don't produce any resin, the trichomes are shrunken & almost non-existent and don't contain much oil/resin/terps at all. When I pinch a bud that is infested with mites there isn't even any smell to it besides that "green" plant smell and the buds don't feel oily/sticky at all.





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Luckily there are measures you can take, but once you have em, you gotta assume they will always be there, and treat accordingly and most importantly naturally and without toxic residues. Azamax, pyrethrins and spinosad (conserve) are all out of the question as they are poisons, and none kill them off completely so you are left with repeated applications for extended periods, meaning you gotta use what you can use up to harvest. Enzyme products like Nuke em are rumored to work great, I think GreenClean is pretty much the same stuff.





Spinosad is just a bacteria of sorts, very similar to BT in how it works IIRC, I'm pretty certain it is safe to use and it will break down from exposure to sunlight after just a few days.

...but yea, it's not super effective for mites. I've heard some claims that conserve sc (a much more concentrated solution of spinosad compared to the brands & solutions found in garden stores) can be effective for dealing with mites, but just a few anecdotal stories.


When I was dealing with mites this past summer I did some reading around...I believe GreenClean is mostly just a mixture of soap & alcohol & oils.

The mixture I made was based of a "recipe" I found for green clean (I mentioned it before but I used castile soap, rubbing alcohol, and rosemary & lavender essential oil mixed up well & into water.



The two things I used to deal with mites this past summer was that mixture of soap/oil/alcohol, which I feel definitely did the trick to initially wipe out & kill off most of them...Then I followed up with using that Dr.Zymes stuff about twice a week which I believe uses citric acid and some proprietary blend of "enzymes" as the main components.

Those two things def worked for me :yesnod: . But the impression I got after reading a bunch about mites this summer is that what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another. Many times I read about something that one person says works for them very well at dealing with mites, only to continue on in the thread to see several other people saying that thing didn't work for them at all.

Like that Dr. Zymes stuff...I feel it definitely did the trick for me, while several others I've talked to said it didn't do a damn thing to the mites on their plants.


I don't plan on ever dealing with mites again, I plan on having an actual proper pest management regimen of sorts in place my next time around, but if it does happen again I'll be hitting them with another mixture of soap/oil/alcohol as an initial wipe out/killer. Super cheap and was effective for me (tho some plants/leaves did receive some mild damage from that mixture, they still produced dank buds after the mites were gone)






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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread [Re: bw86]
    #27104036 - 12/23/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yea those plants look beautiful & happy soaking up the sun, Nicko!

I really like the leaves & look of that "Purple Bud" plant.





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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: ashfiken]
    #27159436 - 01/20/21 12:10 PM (3 years, 7 days ago)

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Tomahawk F1. Gorilla Glue x Stardawg. It grew two giant, frosty colas and not much else. Smells kinda like Vicks Vaporub.






Looks killer!

That's one cross from GP that I was considering getting.

Vicks vapor rub doesn't sound like a pleasant essence tho, I'm not really a fan of menthol/mint or related aromas much at all.

No doubt there would be other phenos in that cross tho.





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Are you kidding!?!?!?! Yes!!!
I’ve been waiting for someone else on here to get to the greatness that is greenpoint.
I’m sure his new crosses will be good but I can’t get away from the great breeding potential that has been his:
GREAT stud male stardawg.
Legit every Wild West strain I grew out was immaculate and quality like the bud you posted..
Pioneer kush and sitting bull were my top picks and faves of ones I grew..






I've been interested in getting a few crosses from GP.

I don't really consider em' to be a "breeder" though....For the most part it just seems like all they're doing is pollen chucking, getting popular/hyped clones and knocking them up with pollen from their Stardawg stud.

I mean that is "breeding" in a way...I think ya'll know what I'm getting at tho.

But for getting hold of some "good" genetics at a cheap price, GP has def caught my attention.







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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: Icon]
    #27161424 - 01/21/21 01:02 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

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Part of breeding is obtaining stock that when mated blows others out of the water.
He has done that here with the stardawg.
Also has shown proof that a strong male has a big potential to affect the offspring and their quality,
Which has been long supposed but not proven. Some believe the males barely matter..
Anyway, he’s no goddamn mad scientist/chemist breeder extraordinaire.
But many put faith in that stardawg and therefore his products.
I however don’t try any of the things that ain’t stardawg crosses and don’t often buy into the hyped clones of the day..
He used tried and true genetics to cross to the stardawg that have proven(to me) the efficacy of what he’s doing even tho he admittedly does not claim to be some breeder that has taken years to refine a single strain  and ensure it’s true bred and all of that..
He does occasionally sell pricier seeds of f2stock that HAS been bred out, and they are supposed to all be quality as well although I haven’t tried them yet scept I think the garlix which is the only one I grew from them not stardawg.. it was alright but I only ended up with A couple plants ..
Anyway he’s very upfront about what he’s selling where most ppl claim this and that and really are pollen chucking like the big names back in Europe have been for years.. it’s easy money.. so ya really gotta seek out what qualities you want and like(obv not menthol for you) Lul and try to find  place that offers the ability to create the best of that with phenotypic variation for you to grow out.. or find the IBL lines that are few and far between. But either way it’s big money and that’s why most are dishonest about their “practices” and the integrity shown by the few who tell you what to expect and what they are doing and how it is working, is valuable to me and hence I’ll like guys like that and support their gear..





Nah I hear ya...

I wasn't "talking down" on or trying to make less of their gear...

...I'm actually glad there's a provider of seeds/genetics like em' that has cheap fair prices for what seems to be pretty solid genetics or at least the chance of finding a really stellar pheno for not much $ .

I'm interested in quite a few of their Stardawg crosses, and the Stardawg F2.






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Vicks vapor rub doesn't sound like a pleasant essence tho, I'm not really a fan of menthol/mint or related aromas much at all.




Do you know what camphor smells like? I think it's one of the fragrances in Vicks, or maybe it's just been too long. It's probably not exactly camphor in the bud but it reminds of it. The chem terps from the chemdawg line are so unique. Reminds me of fresh rubber eraser or new plastic on school supplies or something.





Yea I know that camphor smell....To me camphor is like a "warming" essence while menthol is a "cooling" essence, but both are pretty similar.

The Thin-Mint I grew last summer had a camphor component to its aroma/essence, but it wasn't the dominant note/trait. (I got burnt out on it after smoking it for several months last year but now I really wish I had some on hand still lol)

I def know that rubber eraser and new plastic-like smell you're talking about too...I've always liked that rubber-like aroma/note in cannabis, especially when mixed with pine & gas or "purple" & gas, a classic OG/Chem essence. That rubber smell reminds me of some of the purple strains too that were popular in my area back around 2005 to 2010.






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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27172926 - 01/27/21 01:04 PM (3 years, 21 hours ago)

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Wouldn't an open air dog pen or something of the likes technically be a lockable structure? Cause I really can't help if my dog really loves to grow pot inside his lockable structure :shrug:





I'm pretty sure something like that would be considered a lockable structure.

My backyard is my "lockable structure" lol . The plants can't be seen anywhere from a public space and there is a lock on the gate/fence :shrug: .





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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27181055 - 02/01/21 01:31 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I'm planning on growing some auto-flowering plants outdoors this spring. I'm thinking I can get an early harvest done with autos before my photoperiod plants start to take off and grow big.

I was almost considering doing nothing but autos this spring & summer, doing two grows/harvests....but I still wanna do some photos.

I'm looking forward to growing some autos for my first time tho!






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I don't know about your states, mine just says nobody can see the pot plants from any point of view and the structure has to be enclosed.





I'm pretty sure that's how it is here in Cali too....

...but I've also heard that as long as the plants aren't visible from a public space and one's backyard is locked/secured, that can qualify :shrug: .

I don't really care either way though. And many other don't either, and law enforcement isn't going to know they're there and someone growing a few plants in their backyard in a legal state is likely a super low priority....Since it's become "legal" lots of people have started to grow their own in their backyards. Every block in my neighborhood has at least 3 or 4 houses that are growing giant plants in their backyards during the summer.





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Got a system going for my battle against the thrips. I've mixed up a 5 gallon bucket of Green Cleaner and added a pump for circulation  an airstone to create a 6" head of foam....

My hands were busy enough this week, trimming up the last harvest. Fortunately I had a little help this time.







That's a great idea! I can see that method of using foam being more effective than a typical foliar/spray application.

That herb looks dank!

Your helper is freakin' adorable and, oOOooof lol :crazy: .






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Re: The Official Cannabis Growers Thread. [Re: Allium]
    #27181231 - 02/01/21 03:42 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Lol if that many people grew in my neighborhood I would be such a troll and have 3 male plants in my yard, everyone would be so fucking pissed lol.





I would be too...that's fucked. I have wondered if shit like that has happened intentionally in areas where outdoor grows are widespread (humbo/Mendo/Trini area), I imagine it has, no doubt.

But yea, lots of folks grow in this neighborhood and some with plants that are quite large for "just a backyard" grow, and some with a lot of plants. Makes me feel even that more comfortable having only my 6 to 8 plants and not letting them get too large. Depending which way the air is moving, the air reeks like dank around here during the warmer months...It stanks so good.






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Heck, I can't even grow outdoor here anymore! The hemp has ruined outdoor growing for me unless I do early auto-flowers that finish before the hemp.

I got nothing but mostly shit from last years harvest due to my plants getting pollinated by hemp the previous season.

It's jut plain awful that they have allowed that crop to come to my state. I'm sorry some people may care for it and it's many uses, I however do not. It has all but ruined me.





Dang, that's a bummer. How full of seeds were the buds?

Yea I'm all for hemp but I'd hate to live in an area where there are wide expansive fields of the stuff growing.

I've heard stories of that happening in Colorado and other areas too. That'd be so frustrating.


My outdoor plants have ended up with some seeds the past 3 years I've grown. Not full of seeds but maybe 3 or 4 seeds per dry ounce of bud, some strains/plants with a little more and some with practically none. I still really don't know where the pollen is coming from but I have always assumed it's from the plants pushing out nanners and self pollinating.

Last summer I grew a few plants from the seeds I pulled out of my buds from a previous grow, and those plants turned out pretty dank (obviously not pollen from hemp in my case).





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    #27195536 - 02/09/21 01:10 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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What is it? What does it do? lol

What ever it is, it looks very expensive lol.





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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27243395 - 03/08/21 02:09 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I forget who all here has grown autos, I have some questions about em'....I'm planning on growing some outdoors under the California sunshine this spring & summer :awesome: .

When would ya'll suggest starting them outdoors? I was thinking about getting them started by the end of this month at the latest, and assuming most would be finishing up in June sometime (ripening up underneath the summer solstice sun).

Are autos not impacted by light at all like photos would be?...By this I mean, will street lights and porch lights and others lights hitting the plants at night not have any sort of detrimental impact on the plants? (as example, photos can turn hermi if their night cycle is interrupted by lights). Basically I'm wondering if should shield/block light from hitting autos at night like I do with my photo plants? (I don't think I would need to since they are autos, which flower regardless of the light schedule, but it's something I've wondered about)

Topping or training?...Should or can autos be topped/trained? Or should they be left to grow as they do?

Quality....For the longest time autos were known for having low quality flowers/resin, relatively little aroma/flavor and relatively little potency. I know these days there are a few breeders working with autos specifically that seem to have made some dank auto strains (:piggy:).

Those of you that have grown some of the newer autos of today, and some of the strains from the breeder(s) known as ":piggy:", are they actually comparable to a dank photo-period strain? I've seen pics of some of the autos some of ya'll have grown and they do look pretty dank aesthetically...but I'm curious about the nose/aroma/flavor they have. Are they truly comparable to photos?






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That mushroom patch is stellar!

I have some seeds and will be growing some outdoor this year. Luckily I live in CO and I'm only going to have 1-4 plants. I have a 15in pot filled with soil from the landscape job here and the yard was never fertilized and looked to be the original yard from the 50's when the house was built, lol. I'm wanting to get another big pot and have 1 or 2 plants in each pot to grow to maturity.....






What varieties/strains are you growing? Did you get the seeds from a certain breeder?...I know a long while back I mentioned to ya that I was going to send u a message in regards to some breeders that have some sativa and old school/landrace genetics & strains, IIRC you're a fan of some of the older classic varieties....I'm terrible at lagging on getting back to people though lol.

Just a heads up....If you're planning on growing them full season I would suggest getting a pot that's larger than 15 inches. Not sure if you mean 15 inches deep or 15 inches wide or both or what, either way I feel that's a relatively tiny pot if the plant is going to be grown all summer long. Cannabis will fill out a pot with it's roots and become root-bound pretty quickly.

For a full season sun grown plant I'd recommend going with 15 to 20 gallon pots at minimum. I also suggest fabric pots over plastic pots. But if you don't start them until a bit later in the season like June, then you can prob get away with a smaller pot.





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    #27255696 - 03/16/21 02:22 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

After doing some more reading and hearing some words from others about the quality of some of the new auto-flowering genetics that have come out in recent times, I have decided that's what I'm going to mostly be growing outdoors this spring & summer.

Sounds like the quality/dankness is on point with the newer autos, and I can fit in way more plants and way more variety within the time span of the grow season (which is from basically now until mid-october in my region, I got my garden started almost a month ago lol).

I was already kinda leaning towards growing autos this season but there's a good chance I'll be moving somewhere else this summer around June/July sometime, so this way I can at least squeeze in a harvest before then. And if for some reason the move doesn't work out, then I can still do another grow/harvest or two of autos before the grow season is over.





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Yep, 10 gallon pots. I grew a 5ft one in a 12in pot a few years ago just fine on an apt balcony. Got 5oz of bud and 2oz of shake for budder. It was awesome. The seeds are from karmaceuticals from 5 years ago and some other seeds people have sent me or I have kept for years. I don't need more than 2-3 plants really. I'll probably sprout 10-12 seeds and just get 2-4 females more than likely/hopefully. I was thinking of starting inside next month so they have about a 6 week head start from when I can put the pots outside. I'm looking at fox farms soil maybe to sprout them in. What's the best starter stuff I can get at homo despot? I'll use plastic cups to start them.





It's do-able with 10gal pots, no doubt. I've seen folks grow decent plants in 5gal buckets. I'm a live soil/organic grower and live in a rather hot & dry climate so I try to give my plants as much root space/soil as possible. I've seen some folks grow relatively large plants in pretty small containers/root space when growing "synthetically"/with salts.

I too usually start my seeds in plastic solo cups. Once the young plants are roughly about as big as the cup itself I transplant directly into their final pot/home.

I'm sure you can find some decent starting soil at HD, but I'm really not all that familiar with what sorts of stuff they'd likely have. The only "brand" that I've seen at HD that I'll touch is the "Dr. Earth" stuff. Dr. Earth has kinda become a larger "brand" over the years being sold from big stores and what not but still seems like a legit product/company that I'm down to support and with clean/good material. Everything else HD has seems like the typical "miracle grow" sort of crap/brands.

I've grown with the "Roots" brand soil the past several years so that's all I really have direct experience with. They have a soil/mix that is specifically for starting seedlings. Most soil lines do.

IIRC you reside somewhere in Colo....I'd say go into a local grow shop and see what soils/materials they carry rather than going into HD. A local grow shop is likely to have a much broader selection and better quality materials, and someone there to help with suggestions.

And I'd suggest fabric pots, there is far less chance of the roots becoming "bound up" like in a plastic pot. As well as more oxygen flowing through the soil.






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I just found some "humbolt county purple maxx" solution.:nursemaryjane:

Anyone ever use this for the bud cycle?






I don't use bottled stuff for the most part, or any "nutes" that are specific for veg/bloom. So I'm not too familiar with that sort of stuff.





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For russet mites I'm using Nuke' em at regular strength with some yuccah extract about 3 times in 24 hrs every 2 to 3 days, along with elemental sulphur at the base of the plants, the occasional sulfume round once a week, and I've started some new seedlings by effectively sterilizing the soil in the sterilizer, then mixing it up with new beneficial ectomycchorizae or however you spell it and some metarhizium anisiopliae, the latter I also spray on the leaves once a week along with everything else I do to battle the russet mites, or what's left of them at least. I have to say the plants are looking better each time, but still not in their best shape yet. Might never happen though with all they've been through.





Dang...You are still at war with those mites? Or are you just keeping at it to make sure they are completely eliminated? IIRC you've been dealing with em' for a while now.

Glad to hear your plants are looking better and it sounds like you're getting the upper hand at this point.

Sounds like you are having more trouble with mites growing indoors than I was having with them when growing outdoors last summer. It took me about 2 weeks to knock most of them out, after 4 weeks or so I wasn't seeing any signs/damage of them at all really but I imagine with a scope I might have seen some on some of my plants (I was using essential oils, iso alcohol, and castile soap initially as a "wipe out", then Dr Zymes 2 to 3 times a week)....after 3 to 4 weeks I had wiped out their population enough that my plants were able to ripen and finish up the season.

(reflecting back to when I was dealing with the mites at the beginning of flowering last August/September...that had me so devastated at first, it was fucked, really thought I was going to lose all of my plants to the bastards....but somehow I'm now sitting on enough herb to last me until next fall. For how ugly it was looking and how fast they were spreading through my plants I'm so surprised I ended up with something to harvest, and not only that but the largest harvest I've ever had and some of the best quality I've ever had...certainly could have been better if I never had to deal with the mites)





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    #27255748 - 03/16/21 03:02 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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autos can receive light 24/7 & flower just fine! as long as they are true autos, even if it's irregular they won't be affected. some people top their autos but i don't see it recommended too often. they just don't have the same amount of time to recover like photoperiod plants do, since they start to flower around week 4. you can low stress train them, maybe even do some supercropping if you time it correctly (if i'm not mistaken a lot of people supercrop their photos in flower, so i don't see why you couldn't with an autoflower as well.) i only grow indoor so idk if the training would be super beneficial outdoor but doesn't hurt to play around





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Since I made that last post I did some reading/asking around, and yea that's basically what I gathered as well.

I don't plan on topping them. I'm going to let em' grow how ever they like for the most part, but I will likely do some very mild bending and "opening" up the structure of the plant just a little bit (depending what sort of form/structure they take on). As well as clearing out some of the inner/lower growth and bud sites.

Thanks for your words/info :thumbup: .

I'm planning on starting them in about 3 weeks, sometime before the middle of next month. The days will still be a little short at first but it'll be cool to have buds ripening up & soaking up the intense sunshine of the summer solstice :cool: .

And if I don't end up moving...I'll be starting a second grow of Autos right around the summer solstice, I imagine autos grown through out the peak of summer can turn out pretty chunky & dank.




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    #27257509 - 03/17/21 02:16 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Openmind, it's been a wild ride for sure. I can't say for absolute sure I'm still battling them, but in the months dealing with them, I've gone from being a theoretical believer to a practical experiencer of russet mites, and I say that because grasping their tenacity is hard to say the least....

....They also inject their poisons in the plant causing nutrient imbalances, which you have to correct, and that 's the worst part cause you end up having to overfeed the natural need.......





Dang...Well I hope you continue to get things more "under control" and figure out an effective regimen. Having gone through it just the one time last summer I understand how frustrating it can be, by far the most frustrating & devastating pest or issue I've had to deal with so far...way more annoying than caterpillars eating into and rotting out buds lol.

I'm not sure if the mites are placing "poisons" into the plant tissue that causes imbalances or if they are just straight up "sucking out/consuming" the life/nutrients of the plant (or both lol), but I totally know what you are describing. It does look like an imbalance or deficiency, especially in the earliest stages it just looks like something is a little "off" with the plant. When I had em' they got into the buds as soon as they started to develop and basically prevented the buds from developing at all (no terps, no density, no swelling up, no stacking, pistils all dead/dark and shriveled), and when they got into buds that were already chunky/frosted they basically turned them into lifeless terp-less crispy dead looking things.

Do the edges of your leaves "curl" up at all? For me that was the hallmark symptom/sign of mites.....If you have any pics of the symptoms/damage they're causing can you post them?


Here are some pics of a bud from a grow two years ago that I suspect was being impacted by mites. At the time I didn't know WTF was happening, but after dealing with a full blown mite infestation last summer I'm pretty sure that's what was going on with this plant/bud in the following pics....

All of the trichomes are "deflated" and tiny, no terps/aroma, no resin/stickyness, all of the pistils have shriveled up and turned brown, the buds stop pushing out fresh/new white pistils, the calaxys seem to have shriveled up, all around the bud is just "dead" . Just the day before this bud was frosted white with trichomes glistening in the sun and had white pistils pushing out everywhere....



In these following two pics you can see that the top portion of the bud still has new white pistils being pushed out and creamy/white trichomes frosting the bud, but the middle and lower portions of the bud are essentially "lifeless" with small brown/shriveled pistils and calyxs that are no longer swollen up and trichomes that have shrunken down.





This bud should have a glistening frosting of creamy/white trichomes with a bunch of long white pistils emerging, but this is how it looks, totally dead.



Same with this bud...Should have milky white trichomes glimmering in the light and bunch of white pistils, but this is what the mites do to the bud. (i suspect this was mites in hindsight, never confirmed)






And this pic isn't mine, but it totally captures the classic sign of mites with the edges of the leaf curling and the developing/emerging buds looking totally dead & lifeless on arrival. I cringe seeing these images, uggh, it is a site that I dread to see ever again. Leaf edges curling like this is the first symptoms I spotted on my plants last summer on one plant. Within 2 days after seeing the first leaf curling I was spotting it through out all of my plants and I could notice it spreading across the plants quickly, just between morning and night I was noticing an increase.







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    #27263337 - 03/21/21 02:12 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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....I haven't actually caught a live mite in at least as many months as I've had the infection before figuring it out, probably totalling over 6 months now, but that's just it, there is sooo much going on with our plants that you don't REALLY look at until you REALLY have to, like going at every damn millimeter of their tissue with a microscope just to see what's what. The crazy thing is you can inspect damaged and look for ages through 1500x magnification, and investigate the whole damaged sites everywhere on the plants, and see all the damage done, and yet it is very well possible you have not knowingly spotted a single one of those live mites or their eggs. Telltale signs for me are just the "things are still off" feeling, the small shoots coming out with leaf tips bunched and browned at the edges similar to what beginning buds can do, the buds when they do that it's too far to save really.....





I never even visually saw a single mite when I had the infestation last summer, but with the naked eye I could see little specs/rusty spots of them on some leaves. I was so tight on $ at the time I didn't want to buy a scope since a scope wasn't going to fix the issue lol. But from the symptoms I was seeing I was damn near positive that what I was dealing with was mites, hemp/russets specifically.

Like you mentioned, another classic sign of em' is the newest/apical growth at tips/tops looking kinda thin and "stunted" and off-colored. Really does look like a deficiency or like something is "out of balance" at first.

That's exactly what was happening to my buds though...my infestation started right at the beginning of flowering and spread through out all of my plants, and the mites seemed to be mostly deep within the developing bud sites. All of my buds were looking dead on arrival, brown & shriveled pistils, the calyxys were "deflated" and no longer swollen, no resin/aroma/terps, and in general the buds essentially stopped developing/stacking all together....but I still managed to bring the plants to harvest.

After 2 weeks or so of using essential oils/iso alcohol/castile soap and Dr. Zymes, the buds on my plants were developing as they should and once again looked alive. I was able to harvest all of my plants and some of it turned out pretty dank. And even though I was spraying essential oils and alcohol and soap on my buds they turned out fine with out any off smells or anything looking/smelling different about them. It was during the first 3 weeks or so of flowering though, so not too deep into flowering, and I would always give my plants a rinse off with fresh water the morning after.

I know I've mentioned it a few times, but essential oils (specifically rosemary) can be great at killing mites and their eggs. That's what I used initially as a killer/wipe out, then I used Dr Zymes after that as a way to keep their population in check/wiped out. The essential oils/iso alcohol/castile soap was a bit harsh on a few of my plants (a few burn marks on some leaves, tho I did use a pretty concentrated solution of the oils/alcohol/soap.), but the Dr zymes didn't have any detrimental impact on my plants at all.

With that said...It seems like what works for one person doesn't always work for another. When I was dealing with them last summer I could not find a single thing that people would agree on working for killing/controlling mites. What one person swears worked for him, another person would say that thing didn't do anything for them, and visa/versa.





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How many of you have tried spinosad on plants for russet mites, with multiple applications spread over a week?





When I was dealing with them last summer spinosad was something that was suggested to me on some other forums.

But from what I understand, what the dude was trying to explain to me...One has to get the super concentrated stuff that is used in agriculture, not the stuff one buys in garden stores (not the Bonide/"Captain Jack" brand).

Apparently that bonide/captain jack stuff is super diluted compared to the agriculture stuff.

"Conserve SC" is the specific spinosad that was suggested to me and said to work great as a killer/wipe out for mites. Unfortunately it seems to be pretty expensive compared to the stuff from a garden/grow store.

https://www.google.com/search?q=conserve+sc+spinosad&source=hp&ei=qqFXYPWQCsKS0PEPluW36Aw&iflsig=AINFCbYAAAAAYFevup_H67RWzashUld3l2ggUq-81phs&oq=conserve+sc+spi&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMYADICCAAyBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeOgUIIRCgAVDdC1jAIGD6J2gBcAB4AIAB2wGIAagGkgEFMC40LjGYAQCgAQKgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=gws-wiz




I had some spinosad on hand when my mite infestation started. I've use spinosad for caterpillars & thrips the past few years...but it is the typical "Bonide" brand from garden/grow stores. Once I heard that spinosad could wipe out mites I mixed up a super concentrated solution of the stuff (way beyond what the label suggested) and gave all my plants a spray down at sunset, I think I did 2 applications two days in a row....It did not do a damn thing at all :shrug: . Maybe it's because the spinosad I was using was the garden-store "Bonide" brand stuff and not the agriculture/concentrated "Conserve SC" stuff, and/or perhaps the spinosad I was using wasn't as "active"/effective as it could have been since I had bought it the season before :shrug: .

So it's worth a shot I suppose...Spinosad is supposed to help control/kill mites, that's one of the specific pests it's supposed to help kill/control, but IME with the stuff I had on hand it didn't make any noticeable/pronounced difference in slowing down their population/spread through my plants.


You've probably come across it before and are likely familiar with most of these options...but here is a page from a pest/insect control company that has a lists of all the various things that they offer for controlling/killing mites.

https://www.arbico-organics.com/category/pest-solver-guide-mites?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvoG68ICy6wIVryCtBh30QQ1dEAAYASAAEgIjwfD_BwE



I'm still thinking about what my pest management regimen is going to be this time around, because after dealing with those mites last summer I never ever want to go through that again or at least be way more prepared for battle if it does happen again...I'm thinking about using grandevo & venerate, but also thinking about trying to work with essential oils and things like Dr. Zymes.





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