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MeanGreen
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D] 1
#25289340 - 06/24/18 01:53 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd say it's probably overkill. It is expensive, somewhat dangerous and definitely not the ecologically minded thing to do. I mean in the long run for the same price you can setup a 2nd tent and get much more weight than the co2 would add.
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Indoor is so complicated
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
#25289372 - 06/24/18 02:15 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think a lot of people buy them without thinking things out. I mean I'm a first time grower asking a question about whether a product works or not, but just walking it out in my own mind like that told me what it would require to make it even stick around long enough to have a chance of working. Which I know a lot of the people buying these do not have elaborate systems like that.
It's a shame how we as a people are so willing to take each other's money for false promises.
I dare say 75% of the market that buys those little brown boxes of mush substrate see 0 result from it and ill go further and say the manufacturer is well aware.
But having spent money on it and in their mind doing 110% everything A-Plus, I can see a lot of people believing through placebo that there was a positive effect.
One day I'll be able to grow outdoor in living organic soil, but while I have to be in the shadows I'll gladly tinker and engineer and perfect my devices and toys
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: MeanGreen]
#25289374 - 06/24/18 02:15 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you are run ing a high wattage, it is benefical. Idk what source i used to gather this info in my notebook but it was from a cannabis cult source for sure....
'350ppm --> ambient air/fresh air. 200ppm --> (in a tight spot where plants are using it up) will slow down growth 100ppm --> growth will stop completely
Plants need co2 for growth/fuel
Over 450ppm --> positive effect on plants B/w 750-1500ppm b/w a 35-50% inc on yield Exceeding 1500ppm wont inc yield any further and is considered a waste.
Over 5000ppm --> hurts the plant. Looks like nutrient burn.'
If i remember correctly, this info was source from a lecture at a hydro store. I havent been able to relocate the video... so if you know it, plz post it was from an older guy, white hair, big beard, and white lab coat. He covered all sorts of stuff from co2 to the advancements in holland and europe regarding their experimentation w diff light spectrums, as well as amino acids and some other stuff. Really good video. I normally put the source w my scribblings, but this one time 
Read into it more. Maybe see if the growboss still has any videos on it on utoob. They pulled a lot of his stuff, but a few older ones should still be up. Ess though, really low watt set ups have enoug co2 in the air to suffice. But the photosynthetic process needs both light and co2. So if the demand for photon consumption is higher, then subsequently the need for co2 increases as well. The exact mathematical conversions and old rules of thumb are nothing im familiar w. Sorry. There are small little tanks of co2 one can buy that are supposedly pretty decent for smaller grows. Tnb is the brand i wanna say
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Thanks Lipa. Wow 35-50% increase in yield?
Bold claim. The more I read the more potential I definitely see it having.
But mean green brings up a good point, while you have more real estate available it would be more cost effective to put up another tent or enlarge your grow room.
I think this would be a fascinating area to dabble in if I was professional ans already had all of my square footage accounted for.
Also at that point you can make your system apply to all your grows instead of just one tiny grow and have a large percentage gain across the board.
Good stuff
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Indoor can be as complicated or simple as you want it to be.
If you really like to tinker with stuff, and have the extra money, a CO2 system might be up your alley.
I've heard from a few people who have messed with adding it, say its not really worth it though. Maybe they weren't dialed in right, but...
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If i remember correctly, if you arent running a 1000 or more watts, its not really necessary. Normal air should contain more than enough co2. They do have these cool propane burners out there that act as co2 generators though. The tanks of propane are the same you buy at the hardware store or the grocery. They burn w a flame though, but theyre certainly safe and well contained.... heat is the issue of concern though. What w the fire and all
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Ran-D



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If you aren't running at least 1000 watts why even waste the time growing indoor?
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
#25289963 - 06/24/18 08:54 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: If you aren't running at least 1000 watts why even waste the time growing indoor?
true. personal indoor grows aren't really worth it unless you can maximize and profit some. running 1000w is so expensive monthly. atleast here it is. 15cents/kw/hour. $54 dollars monthly on just lighting
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mmcc] 1
#25289978 - 06/24/18 09:14 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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What sucks (in California anyway) is city and county officials don't seem to understand that. So many places have banned outdoor gardens and they expect everyone to grow their six legal plants indoors. Most people don't have the means and/or ability to grow indoors. Or maybe they do understand that and they don't want people grow ing for themselves because that doesnt bring in revenue.
So yea, my 6 plants are technically illegal, even though theyre legal.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mmcc]
#25289980 - 06/24/18 09:16 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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A little late on the drying portion of this thread but one item that I don't think was mentioned was to dry in the dark and also cure and store that way. Just like you do with any herb. Light and air are your killers here. And take your sweet time. Many people dry way too fast and then go right past the cure portion of the process. A good recipe for less than delectable smoke.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: KenInVic]
#25289981 - 06/24/18 09:18 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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KenInVic said: A little late on the drying portion of this thread but one item that I don't think was mentioned was to dry in the dark and also cure and store that way. Just like you do with any herb. Light and air are your killers here. And take your sweet time. Many people dry way too fast and then go right past the cure portion of the process. A good recipe for less than delectable smoke.
I took for granted that this was already known, but yes definitely dry in the dark.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mmcc] 1
#25289989 - 06/24/18 09:26 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is my Blackberry Fire plant again. I'm trying to figure out when to stop feeding it. I stopped yesterday just to be safe, but how long do you guys think this has before it's ready to be harvested?

I'll try to get a better pic later in case you can't tell from this pic
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
#25289999 - 06/24/18 09:33 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I see what you mean ran-d. I have never burned that much power though. When i grew, i topped out around 400w. It was still a positive experience though... still totally worth it. I guess its all how you look at it. But ess the main question is, 'is it worth the risk? Weight wise or maybe cash wise (if thats your thing)?
And damn, i had no idea about that in cali. It makes perfect sense that they would be concerned w it. Esp since corporate and gov is in the business now. Permits and qualifications and legal tape is what they do best as they hold their seats as grand puppetmasters. What is the penalty for growing weed outside in a legal weed state? Fine... possible jail time?
Edit... to loph. Idk man, that looks really young to me. How long has it been blooming for?
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I'm guessing it's only been about a month. I've never really grown weed before so I'm not sure what signs to look for and how long it will take from that. I have some reading to do
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Lophosaurus said: I'm guessing it's only been about a month. I've never really grown weed before so I'm not sure what signs to look for and how long it will take from that. I have some reading to do
needs more time. post another photo when you can. looking good.
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moving this to this thread. Im wondering if shade grown weed will smoke/taste different than full sun/light weed. what do you guys think?
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Lophosaurus said: I'm guessing it's only been about a month. I've never really grown weed before so I'm not sure what signs to look for and how long it will take from that. I have some reading to do
A little jewelers loupe is cheap and a great way to check your trichomes. They go milky then amber. It depends on what effect you are looking for. More amber =more sedative efects than a plant harvested earlier with milky ones. If you harvest early when they are all still clear, your potency will be pretty low.
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600w is fine for a 3 or 4 plant grow.
Depending on the strain, 1g/watt is easily attainable in organic soil under 600w. Dense nuggs, not popcorn.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: El Torcho]
#25290379 - 06/25/18 05:15 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Any of you guys followed the recent developments of the Rosin tek and tried making solventless crystalline THCA?
If you haven't, basically you can press buddered rosin at low temp & low pressure to squeeze out the terps and be left with relatively pure THCA in white crystalline powder form.
The logic seems pretty spot on to me, basically ghetto column chromatography if you think about it. The filter bag is the silica gel and the terp fraction melts at a lower point and travels through filter while the THCA stays inside the bag.
I'm gonna be trying this very soon, would be interested to hear other people's experiences.
Here's a video showing the process and end product:
And a good reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/CannabisExtracts/comments/7qg4ys/how_does_solventless_rosin_diamonds_work/
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: El Torcho]
#25290380 - 06/25/18 05:15 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Does any one have any experience with powder mildew?
It only Grows on the leafs. I got some natural garlic spray and sprayed the shit outta them and then pure water the next day, it seems to have drove it off for now.
Some people tell me it's actually a virus that gets in the plant. Is this true?
I was advised to get rid of all my mothers and start fresh. But some of my strains were VERY hard to get and will do anything to not loose them.
Yea I have a de humidifier, 10"exhaust fan, usually arou d 75-80° and under 50% humidity.
Thanks guys.
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