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InvisibleTowns77
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 5
    #28554843 - 11/24/23 10:24 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

Anybody ever clone an autoflower?

I cloned a Blueberry auto flower about two months back. I managed to get a tiny cutting off of her early into flowering. It's crammed into a tiny bonsai pot,and it gets a way irregular light schedule, but all in all should make for great smoke despite it's small stature, haha! This was just a novelty grow too, by the way.



Now, here is a clone from that clone. I'll baby this one and see if I can get it bigger,and then I'll try for yet another clone.



I'm going to see how long I can keep it up!

You guys have any auto clone pics, and or tips?


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InvisibleTowns77
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: yoosername]
    #28555613 - 11/25/23 04:38 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

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A.k.a said:
You managed to clone an auto and then clone the clone?


I’ve only grown a few but they flowered way too quickly for cloning. I’ve seen some posts of autos that had a really long veg period though.



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A.k.a said:
You managed to clone an auto and then clone the clone?


I’ve only grown a few but they flowered way too quickly for cloning. I’ve seen some posts of autos that had a really long veg period though.





Yes,  I cloned an auto,  then I cloned the clone  :grin:

I was doing some research,  and I saw where a girl has been cloning her same auto for generations.

The clone gets just as big as the mother plant,  same yield too,  somehow.



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mushboy said:
I tried cloning an auto flower as well.

Basically grew a dime bag
:loldongs:





Yeah, I doubt I'll even get that form the first one,haha!  However,  it was just a novelty grow for shits and giggles  :grin:

I actually didn't think it would even make it this far,  and had it not been outside in the ground,  dug up halfway though flowering,  and brought inside,  I bet it would have gotten a little bigger.

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Strech said:
I've taken a clone from an auto it flowered and grew at the same rate as the mother. Was a lower cut I normally would have tossed. Yield wasnt worth the time, water and space.





Yeah, but I'm thinking with a little tweaking,  auto clones can produce great yields.


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Hobbit GDF said:


Ok here is a branch that snapped off and I didn't want to toss it so I cloned it. It grew into a nice little plant. At least I got something from it.
It did slow the time down on it for a few.
I couldn't find a pic of it fully Flowered. But I grew her to maturation




Heck yeah brother,  thanks for the photo! I bet that one grew out to be a little beast! I would have loved to see the harvest pic :yesnod:



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yoosername said:
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Towns77 said:
Anybody ever clone an autoflower?

I cloned a Blueberry auto flower about two months back. I managed to get a tiny cutting off of her early into flowering. It's crammed into a tiny bonsai pot,and it gets a way irregular light schedule, but all in all should make for great smoke despite it's small stature, haha! This was just a novelty grow too, by the way.



Now, here is a clone from that clone. I'll baby this one and see if I can get it bigger,and then I'll try for yet another clone.



I'm going to see how long I can keep it up!

You guys have any auto clone pics, and or tips?



Best tip I can give for cloning autos is to look into micropropagation, aka tissue culture.





Very interesting,  but that is something that I cant do living here. Thanks anyway though  :thumbup:



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InvisibleTowns77
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LizardWizard]
    #28555818 - 11/25/23 08:53 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

Well,  like I said,  this was a novelty grow and something that I was just doing as a little experiment. I never expected it to even get the size that it did get.

That being said,  the first clone that I took was right before the plant started to flower. It was a small branch that got no light,  a branch that would have not produced anything anyway. It was taken from the very bottom of the plant.

And this second clone,  was taken from that initial clone late into flowering, from the very bottom of the plant as well.

Now, I doubt that I'll be able to keep this up forever,  but if I can clone this clone of a clone, I'm doing it, haha!


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InvisibleTowns77
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
    #28555820 - 11/25/23 08:54 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

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Mr Piggy said:
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LizardWizard said:
Best way to go if you want more autoflower plants, is plant more seeds.




I was a moderator on a very well known autoflower based web site and we saw every type of attempt to clone autos.  The simple answer is, it's a novelty that ultimately diminishes returns on your grow and effort investment.  It can be fun to do, but there is no benefit to it.

If you want to fuck around for fun, do it with no regerts.




:whathesaid:  :yesnod:


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InvisibleTowns77
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: PizzaWizard] * 4
    #28572476 - 12/07/23 07:38 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

My autoflower clone of a clone totally decided to re-vegetate,  totally!

How the heck is this even possible?

The first original clone that I took from the original plant was taken when the plant was in early vegetative growth. I never even expected it to root,  and I totally neglected it and I ended up with this little guy in the end.



Now this clone was taken from that clone late into flowering. As you can see,  it has totally superseded it's mother in size. It also stopped flowering and is regrowing vegetative now. It's also growing all single bladed leaves too, which is kind of neato!

Here it was after it rooted on the 10th of November.



And again on the 19th of November.



And the 24th of November.



And today,  after a re-pot.



Just an experiment and I don't expect anything. I'm hoping to keep this going though,  as maybe it will be the world's first autoflower mother plant,  haha!


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InvisibleTowns77
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28572912 - 12/07/23 02:21 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

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Mr Piggy said:
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Towns77 said:
I'm hoping to keep this going though,  as maybe it will be the world's first autoflower mother plant,  haha!




Then it is not an autoflower, just an early triggering photoperiod plant.  Autos auto, they do not hold in vege.




Yeah,  I know autos can't hold in vege. I have been messing around with them on and off for over a decade now,  and it was really just a pipe dream, hehe  :grin:

However,  I have been growing this same exact blueberry auto now for the past two years,and it is a Bona fide auto flower.

I don't know why this particular clone didn't continue to flower,  but I'm willing to bet that it eventually will. I mean, could it be a super auto instead? It has the tall tell signs,  as it doesn't start flowering until about seven or so weeks from seed, and the flowering period is rather long, like nine weeks,  and this is even under 24/7 light.

I wonder if I should take a couple more bottom clones for breeding purposes. I hope to have a male on the way any day now.


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InvisibleTowns77
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28573223 - 12/07/23 05:59 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

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Mr Piggy said:
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Towns77 said:
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Mr Piggy said:
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Towns77 said:
I'm hoping to keep this going though,  as maybe it will be the world's first autoflower mother plant,  haha!




Then it is not an autoflower, just an early triggering photoperiod plant.  Autos auto, they do not hold in vege.





However,  I have been growing this same exact blueberry auto now for the past two years,and it is a Bona fide auto flower.





Then it is not an autoflower.  You cannot keep an auto in clone. 

I have bad news for you about breeder ethics and pheno screening before going to production.




OK, so I can't keep it in vege forever. I already know this,  and that comment about an autoflower mother was pretty much a joke.

This being said,  I have found articles of people on the net that have done just what I have done cloning autos.

Here is one such article explaining the process.

" I know it sounds like a contradiction in terms, but I have found a way to successfully clone autoflowering (Ruderalis) plants with a reasonable amount of vegetative growth returned to the clone.

After realizing the age-determinance of the autoflowering plants was entirely hormone regulated (similar to the photoperiod determinance of Indica and Sativa), I began to play around with certain factors of my cloning technique.

After about 3.5 to 4 weeks of vegetative growth nearly all Ruderalis' will show sexual characteristics. The most important aspect of my technique is quick identification of sexual characteristics formation. It's paramount to take your cutting at the earliest possible moment.

If you don't already know, it's best to take any cuttings from the lowest point of your plant. This is because the hormone levels of the old growth are much more stable than those nearer the apical meristem. Well, this characteristic is doubly important with Ruderalis clones, as it literally serves a dual purpose. The lower branches haven't yet received the signal from the top that sex has been determined and to start bud production. It's only a small window of a few hours that you'll have to take your cutting if you want to do this properly.

Root your cutting under 24\7 light of full spectrum and low intensity before transferring the rooted clone into your grow medium. Once established you can pour on as much light as you can provide and the clone will grow vegetatively for about 80% of the parent's final size, producing bud at the same percentage. The physical age of the clone may be twice as large as it should be, but the flowering time is the same as it is from a seed "

But yeah, my plants are auto-flowers or they would not flower under any light schedule, and mine will eventfully flower,  even under 24/7 light.

That being said,  I don't know why my auto clones revert back to growing in a vegetative state,  maybe it's strain dependent?  I think it's pretty cool,  regardless, and I think if I put my clones in their final pots with no re-potting and I baby them, I can get some decent sized perpetual auto clones :grin:

Plus,  single bladed leafy small plants are easy to hide in with my tomatoes and stuff during the spring,  total stealth  :blueninja:


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InvisibleTowns77
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humbled] * 2
    #28582185 - 12/14/23 05:55 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

I knew that auto flowers could re-vegetate! However, he stated that clones wont. However,  mine sure the hell did!

You guys need to check out this video!



My Blueberry Auto seeds came from a reputable dealer,  and they are 100% autos.

This being said,  all my grows with them under any light cycle, for the past two years have auto-flowered for me, even under 24/7 lighting.

The first clone that I took re-veged only slightly,  and then it continued to flower and finish. My original post here.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25131101/fpart/913/vc/1

Well,  this clone that I took from that clone did not continue to flower,  and it is in full vegetative growth.

I took it way late into flowering too, compared to the first clone that was taken before flowering initiated.

It's not real big,  but it's clearly in vegetative growth. I have been defoliating too.




Well,  that all being said,  I just cloned that clone too,  so now I have a clone of a clone of a clone, haha!

It would be bad @ss if this plant will continue to stay in vegetative growth,  but all the clones that I take from her will auto flower. Wishful thinking, I know, but this is the closest to an auto-flower mother that I have have ever gotten!

I'm going to let her keep going as long as she will,  so I can get as many more clones as I can from her.

Goes to show you that there is still a lot to be learned about hybrid ruderalis plants, and not everything is set in stone with on what they will or wont do.Especially with the no transplanting rule, total bullcrap in my opinion. Last season I took a rootbound blueberry auto out to my spot,  and it ended up pushing nearly five feet tall in the end. And even some of the stuff that he says in that video,  I have been able to counteract.

For anyone interested,  I'll keep this experiment going and report back with my research periodically  :thumbup:


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InvisibleTowns77
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humbled] * 1
    #28583542 - 12/15/23 07:16 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)

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Humbled said:
How do you guys calculate the duration of vegetative growth?

Do you calculate according to the height of grow space available?

I have read that I can expect up to a 100% increase in height after beginning flowering.




oh yeah, plants can double and triple in size during the flowering stretch :yesnod:


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InvisibleTowns77
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
    #28583547 - 12/15/23 07:18 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)

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Mr Piggy said:
Yeah, you don't have autoflowers there.

That is a very sensitive photoperiod plant.

Don't know how many times we're going to do this, but those plants are not daylight neutral and not true autos.




How does a photoperiod plant flower with 24/7 light though,  inquiring minds want to know,  like me :grin:


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InvisibleTowns77
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LizardWizard]
    #28583643 - 12/15/23 08:47 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)

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LizardWizard said:
It's certainly not set in stone.

The modern autoflower varieties of today (at least with reputable breeders) can usually take a more rough n tough approach than the first generations. They bounce back with a lot more vigor, and approaches and techniques that used to get you in trouble with autoflower strains can now be carefully applied with good success rates.

A good example is fan leaves, used to be you had to fold them beneath the lower secondary shoots in order to better distribute light, and pinching leaves could be done a few times with 2 leaves at a time, and you'd wait 2 or 3 days for them to pick back up. Nowadays I just wait until they have the right size and then pinch away 8 fan leaves at once and the next day they're back to their shining selves.

I don't really know what's up with other autoflower breeders outside of fastbuds, cause that's my main go to for auto's, but I am curious, what breeders have excellent reputations regarding autoflowers?

Looking to try out some of Barney's Farm a few rounds down the road but haven't a clue on quality.





Yeah man,  when I first started growing autos back in the early days of them being on the scene,  they were very picky and the slightest thing would stunt their growth permanently. Now,  you can defoliate, transplant, re-vegetate, etc, and do a lot of things that you could not do with them in their infancy.

I get my seeds from here.

https://strainly.io/


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Mr Piggy] * 2
    #28583974 - 12/15/23 01:53 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

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Mr Piggy said:
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Towns77 said:
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Mr Piggy said:
Yeah, you don't have autoflowers there.

That is a very sensitive photoperiod plant.

Don't know how many times we're going to do this, but those plants are not daylight neutral and not true autos.




How does a photoperiod plant flower with 24/7 light though,  inquiring minds want to know,  like me :grin:






I have had regular photoperiods flat out flower on vege light schedules because they filled out the pot and sent it.  Sensitive photoperiod plants can flower due to many reasons and are difficult to keep indoors.  I had a Blueberry hill from herbies that refused to hold in vege very long, even with 24/7.  Once it filled out that pot it wanted to flower.  Doesn't change the fact that plant is a sensitive photoperiod and not an auto.





Thanks for that clarification my brother  :cool: 

I learned something very new to me today, this is for certain  :thumbup:


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InvisibleTowns77
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LizardWizard]
    #28584833 - 12/16/23 04:19 AM (1 month, 12 days ago)

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LizardWizard said:
It's not a size scale. It's a rosin box in the shape of a NES controller. I have the same one.




That's bad @ss!


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #28592279 - 12/21/23 05:18 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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Hobbit GDF said:






So the nug shots are apple cider kush (bottom 2) & Tatooine donut #1 (top 2)
The 2 best plants this run.

The sprouts are doing good. The red runtz broke the tip of its taproot. Just very tiny piece of the tip. So it started to rot a little and now it seems the red runtz is looking better. I hoped it would pull thru, cause I was about to start another one. The quikz is couple days from the other ones because I had to replace the 1st seed.





:homerdrool:


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: cozmyc] * 1
    #28592545 - 12/21/23 09:21 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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cozmyc said:
:whathesaid:


Day 10 of flower





Now, that is what I call a sea of green  :yesnod:


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InvisibleTowns77
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #28593090 - 12/21/23 05:39 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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Lipa Kreepa said:
Here’s some Red Diesel from my last grow :bigjoint:







:potleaf:




Looks yummy  :yesnod:


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: PizzaWizard]
    #28598232 - 12/26/23 03:00 AM (1 month, 2 days ago)

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PizzaWizard said:
Somehow a box elder bug found it's way into my clone room. Kinda crazy I've never seen one this time of year.






There may be more within the walls of your home. Kill it,  because it could feed on your cannabis. They don't just eat box-elder and ash trees,  especially if they are indoors during the winter and starving.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #28598710 - 12/26/23 03:25 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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Hobbit GDF said:
I had them bugs all over my old wooded shingles on my house. Everywhere. Then lady bugs showed up. Maybe to eat them.?




Maybe,  ladybugs eat all kinds of bad pest bugs  :grin:




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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: PizzaWizard]
    #28600595 - 12/28/23 07:57 AM (1 month, 2 hours ago)

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PizzaWizard said:
I just spent a while looking for more evidence of caterpillars and all I can find is some webs in the corners of my soil bed. Couldn't find anything in the leaves or buds... Hopefully I'm freaking out over nothing.

My soil does have a lot of these bugs now. Looks like some kind of root aphids... Doesn't seem to be affecting my plant yet whatever it is.



Video
https://imgur.com/a/Tmr7zmJ

There's a saying in online homebrewing communities...  rdwhahb (relax don't worry have a homebrew). I think I need a saying like that for growing cannabis. The bugs always send me into a panic.




Do a coating of diatomaceous earth on the top of your soil. It' not worth all that man. You can also do a soil drench with it and a diluted hydrogen peroxide and it will fry every insect,  larvae,  and their eggs,  in your soil  :thumbup:


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Towns77]
    #28600596 - 12/28/23 07:58 AM (1 month, 2 hours ago)

On a side note,  does anybody know if you can re-vegetate males? I have my reasons  :grin:


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